DUST Search - [Feedback] Inability to 'fix' or 'balance' anything

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

demens grimwulff wrote:

Bump... this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From what I hear, the idea that balancing through cost won't fix the problem. The real issue still remains that Hardeners vs AV and tank spam is destroying the game for the foot soldiers.

You can damage a tank while it's hardeners are on , it just depends on the amount that you inflict .

A range buff would help swarms . AV grenades work , I have almost soloed a tank with my swarm and grenades so I know it can be done . It's not that bad when you have help and I believe the problem is more or less , squad mates unwillingness to change fits and lessen the tank menace .

I don't believe that CCP is catering to vehicle users because the vehicles still have some ironing out needed and it's not easy at all even though you might believe otherwise .

If players would change fits to combat tanks instead of running around with AR's all day then you would notice a difference and throw in a FG or two and you would change your opinion because you would see different results .

Wonder how your going to feel when the ADV & PRO tanks come into play ??? Just be patient because vehicles are not going anywhere and the next batch will be stronger than this so buffs to the AV will be coming soon enough .


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demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 98	Posted - 2014.01.11 06:05:00 - [1] - Quote 4/4 matches I've played tonight have been 4-6 tanks on one side vs a team unable to kill them due to weak AV, the tanks being able to speed out of reach of AV, and how little anything and everything affects them. For the love of god, stop catering to the minority as the majority of players aren't skilled into tanks and matches like these turn into a slaughter for whichever team is the non-tank stomping one. Since 1.7 this game has been 0 fun unless I have at least 3 tanks in my squad... I honestly have lost a lot of interest in playing it and have mostly decided to afk my SP grind when I see tank spam at the beginning...
demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.01.11 21:29:00 - [2] - Quote Bump... this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From what I hear, the idea that balancing through cost won't fix the problem. The real issue still remains that Hardeners vs AV and tank spam is destroying the game for the foot soldiers.
demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.01.12 06:59:00 - [3] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: Bump... this is a problem that needs to be fixed. From what I hear, the idea that balancing through cost won't fix the problem. The real issue still remains that Hardeners vs AV and tank spam is destroying the game for the foot soldiers. You can damage a tank while it's hardeners are on , it just depends on the amount that you inflict . A range buff would help swarms . AV grenades work , I have almost soloed a tank with my swarm and grenades so I know it can be done . It's not that bad when you have help and I believe the problem is more or less , squad mates unwillingness to change fits and lessen the tank menace . I don't believe that CCP is catering to vehicle users because the vehicles still have some ironing out needed and it's not easy at all even though you might believe otherwise . If players would change fits to combat tanks instead of running around with AR's all day then you would notice a difference and throw in a FG or two and you would change your opinion because you would see different results . Wonder how your going to feel when the ADV & PRO tanks come into play ??? Just be patient because vehicles are not going anywhere and the next batch will be stronger than this so buffs to the AV will be coming soon enough . So, by your logic, and Ken Kaniffs after you, the only viable AV is forge gun... and how is this a form of balance? I have a character with proto forge and Prof 3 (Prof 4 once I sign in next), so I know the difference. Forge is considerably stronger than swarm. Problem is more than that... Right now a tank is half as expensive as a prototype drop suit and significantly stronger. Swarms don't have a long enough range with the Nerf, and with tanks repping up to 300-500 armor a tick makes them close to indestructible. However, one tank is not what the entire thread is reference to, but when a whole team reaches max quota with tanks they become nearly impossible to destroy individually. It takes most, if not the entire team working together to neutralize all 5-7 tanks. At this point it does take forges synchronized to pop a tank at a time. It is slowly eroding the core game play of this game .
demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:03:00 - [4] - Quote Egypt Musk wrote: demens grimwulff wrote: 4/4 matches I've played tonight have been 4-6 tanks on one side vs a team unable to kill them due to weak AV, the tanks being able to speed out of reach of AV, and how little anything and everything affects them. For the love of god, stop catering to the minority as the majority of players aren't skilled into tanks and matches like these turn into a slaughter for whichever team is the non-tank stomping one. Since 1.7 this game has been 0 fun unless I have at least 3 tanks in my squad... I honestly have lost a lot of interest in playing it and have mostly decided to afk my SP grind when I see tank spam at the beginning... ETA: please, in the future, when you think to buff one thing and then majorly Nerf the counter to it, don't. Next round after posting this? 5 tanks on the field... So its ok for you to afk comething that CCP has directly expressed its against but farming sessions and pc district locking is bad? Even tho as of now PC is working as intended hmmm Wow, hello Mr Egypt, still on your lapse and following me around? I have AFKed... maybe... 5 rounds...? I have no idea what you're on about otherwise? PC working as intended... not even mentioned in this thread. I tend to get kicked or leave anyways looking for a less spammed match. However, I do remember you actually AFKing quite a bit back in the day, but that is neither here nor there. Glad you had some readied arguments for discussion on the raised topic.
demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:27:00 - [5] - Quote Eko Sol wrote: I happen to aggree with this thread a great deal. I don't think too much needs to go into buffing or nerfing anything. Simply removing the speed tanks would be sufficient. They should have a max speed of a scout at best. I also think they should cost about 8x moreif you aren't going to nerf anything at all. All tanks should have a shooting range of 300 meters, max. I'm being generous. This rail tank sniping thing is pissing me off and completely nonsense. I was over 600 metters away and lost my vehicle. That is absolute nonsene. Installation turrets should maintain their range if they aren't getting any buffs. 1) Get rid of tank speed and make it no faster (at its absolute fastest) than the fastest scout 2) Increase ISK costs to, bare minimum, 4x the current costs but I recommend 8x 3) Limit range of any projectiles to no more than 300 meters. If a swarm can't get to it (which is a freaking missle mind you and most missles hit a half a mile if they are defective to say the least) then I don't believe a tank should be able have any range a swarm doesn't have at an absolute minimum. Very good points made. The most irritating point about the tank cost is the huge differential between the cost of a viable tank and the cost of viable AV suits. Last night, on my heavy, I got in a squad with a friend who uses a militia heavy suit and an Ishukone with Prof 3 as his AV... I was using an advanced heavy suit (non-sentinel for dual damage mods) and an ishukone with Prof 3. We tested it out to see the number of shots it would take to kill a tank... Using two heavies fitted out in this manner, it took about 4-5 shots to pop a tank (dual hardener Sicas were un-poppable) and cost us a net of about 140k in suits (for the two of us combined) to pop tanks costing half. In comparison, it is like having to use a proto suit to kill an advanced. As far as range... the red line needs a huge Nerf... You should not be able to sit deep in your redline and pop vehicles being called in in the other redline. This behavior is only encouraged by giving tanks a near unlimited range.
demens grimwulff Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 103	Posted - 2014.01.13 15:27:00 - [6] - Quote No argument from me on any point Eko. Perfect points and well said. Currently, Swarms are third class AV due to the range and the occasional lack of advertised missiles (I giggle a little everytime a squad member screams about only 1 missile of 6 exiting the launcher... maybe the others found the worm hole you mentioned?)