Make it a MLT/STD game-mode.

Why? Because not all items have MLT variants. That wouldn't be fair to the people who use items without MLT variants (such as Laser Rifles, Mass Drivers, Plasma Cannons, etc).

Along with this, I'm pretty sure that MLT items are not affected by skills (such as operation bonus, and specialization skills).

And no tanks. I couldn't imagine the poor soul trying to use MLT/STD AV against a tank with MLT/STD modules.

Nope.

You can even pass it off lore wise as citizen militias clashing on Caldari Prime.

Say basic

We have basic everything items

All dust needs is-
A MLT/STD gear no vehicles ambush mode.
PVE
P2P Market.


Boom dust is over 9000x better than it ever was.

but you're forgetting that matchmaking is still going to put the organized squads on one side and the randoms on the other. same result just crappy salvage.

but you're forgetting that matchmaking is still going to put the organized squads on one side and the randoms on the other. same result just crappy salvage.

No pre-built squads in these matches would be the simple solution to that.

EDIT: Ignore the fact I only mention militia, others have suggested it be Milita / Standard, and I agree.

Hmm, something new would be nice.

Milita only game mode. Where meta level 0 gear is the only gear allowed. I know there are a ton of people out there that would love a mode like this.

And I would take it a step further, and add in a vehicle free militia mode as well!

Somehow anything above meta level 0, needs to be disabled in game. If you load in with no saved fits < Meta Level 1, you won't be able to spawn.

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Militia versions of all items needs to be added in. (We don't have this already do we? I'm a bit of an infantry noob)

In a mode like this, it would come down to the SP you have invested into your base skills. But! Most importantly, SKILL! Proto stomp this, proto stomp that. All comes down to skill in this mode. SP helps, but you won't have that huge advantage off the added slots and better mods.

Higher SP chars will have a very minimal advantage over the lower SP chars. Noobs would fair much better, and stick around for far longer in this way. People, for once, would LOVE to grind out SP. Everyone LOVES a fair fight. My few battles tonight, were pub stomps from our side.

And you know what, that **** is BORING.

You can't deny it. Yeah it's fun to totally obliterate the opposing team. But doing so means that you do a lot of waiting and searching. Truly to me it is a grind. I'm begging, please match, can you ******* hurry up already. We ******* beat them already, they have pretty much given up, a few scragglers here and there but at some point they stop too. Boring

You want to make a competitive game, then DO THIS.

You know what makes PC so enjoyable. Because you know every single person is on your level. Everything is proto (or should be!). That's why we play this game, to compete. But many don't like feeling like they are gimped, to those of greater isk and SP.

Want player retention, THEN DO THIS.

You got all the weapons, and mods and suits to play with. New players will learn a hellva lot faster in this way, what does what, what they like, blah blah blah. From there they can decided fully in which way they would like to go SP wise. But all the while they have this mode in which they don't have to feel gimped by those of greater SP.

This will also encourage people to gain SP, if you make more endgame content (aside from PC) or add more planets to PC (A LOT MORE).

Give people a mode to play in cheap gear, with much lower payouts, but far fewer losses.

I know everyone wants this!!!! And I know someone has had to suggest this. Why don't we have it already!!

No.

There should be different Pubs available with different Payouts/SP amounts. Higher payout matches will attract competitive ADV/Proto players.

Lower payout will attract new players.

Yes some Protobears/stat padders will be drawn to the lower payout however they'll be trading a good KDR for ISK and SP.

If new players will be protostomped no matter if they select high or low rewards there's no point. New players need ISK more than vets anyway. If they restricted the low reward games to STD/MLT at least they'd only get stomped by vets in STD gear ;).

...as for the OP: if gear-restricted modes are to be added, they better have significantly lower payouts.

I could agree to it as long as there was reduced awards for the Militia/STD matches.

I do prefer options that use market forces to encourage player actions, not just an arbitrary rule saying "No you may not use your advanced military gear... just because... its mean"

If new players will be protostomped no matter if they select high or low rewards there's no point. New players need ISK more than vets anyway. If they restricted the low reward games to STD/MLT at least they'd only get stomped by vets in STD gear ;).

...as for the OP: if gear-restricted modes are to be added, they better have significantly lower payouts.

This doesn't solve a thing, i could use a MLT scout and do just as well with my proto. Its the skill, not the suit.

This doesn't solve a thing, i could use a MLT scout and do just as well with my proto. Its the skill, not the suit.

but you're forgetting that matchmaking is still going to put the organized squads on one side and the randoms on the other. same result just crappy salvage.

And all the high SP vets still having passives that bury the newbs alive...

This doesn't solve a thing, i could use a MLT scout and do just as well with my proto. Its the skill, not the suit.

I've been behind something like this for a long time. I think people should have a place for everything in this game, either it be wearing all proto, all basic, all HAV...whatever.

Let CCP collect the data and determine if it's of value or not. Something tells me this would be a popular place.

but you're forgetting that matchmaking is still going to put the organized squads on one side and the randoms on the other. same result just crappy salvage.

EDIT: Ignore the fact I only mention militia, others have suggested it be Milita / Standard, and I agree.

Hmm, something new would be nice.

Milita only game mode. Where meta level 0 gear is the only gear allowed. I know there are a ton of people out there that would love a mode like this.

And I would take it a step further, and add in a vehicle free militia mode as well!

Somehow anything above meta level 0, needs to be disabled in game. If you load in with no saved fits < Meta Level 1, you won't be able to spawn.

---

Militia versions of all items needs to be added in. (We don't have this already do we? I'm a bit of an infantry noob)

In a mode like this, it would come down to the SP you have invested into your base skills. But! Most importantly, SKILL! Proto stomp this, proto stomp that. All comes down to skill in this mode. SP helps, but you won't have that huge advantage off the added slots and better mods.

Higher SP chars will have a very minimal advantage over the lower SP chars. Noobs would fair much better, and stick around for far longer in this way. People, for once, would LOVE to grind out SP. Everyone LOVES a fair fight. My few battles tonight, were pub stomps from our side.

And you know what, that **** is BORING.

You can't deny it. Yeah it's fun to totally obliterate the opposing team. But doing so means that you do a lot of waiting and searching. Truly to me it is a grind. I'm begging, please match, can you ******* hurry up already. We ******* beat them already, they have pretty much given up, a few scragglers here and there but at some point they stop too. Boring

You want to make a competitive game, then DO THIS.

You know what makes PC so enjoyable. Because you know every single person is on your level. Everything is proto (or should be!). That's why we play this game, to compete. But many don't like feeling like they are gimped, to those of greater isk and SP.

Want player retention, THEN DO THIS.

You got all the weapons, and mods and suits to play with. New players will learn a hellva lot faster in this way, what does what, what they like, blah blah blah. From there they can decided fully in which way they would like to go SP wise. But all the while they have this mode in which they don't have to feel gimped by those of greater SP.

This will also encourage people to gain SP, if you make more endgame content (aside from PC) or add more planets to PC (A LOT MORE).

Give people a mode to play in cheap gear, with much lower payouts, but far fewer losses.

I know everyone wants this!!!! And I know someone has had to suggest this. Why don't we have it already!!

Make it a MLT/STD game-mode.

Why? Because not all items have MLT variants. That wouldn't be fair to the people who use items without MLT variants (such as Laser Rifles, Mass Drivers, Plasma Cannons, etc).

Along with this, I'm pretty sure that MLT items are not affected by skills (such as operation bonus, and specialization skills).

And no tanks. I couldn't imagine the poor soul trying to use MLT/STD AV against a tank with MLT/STD modules.

I think we've all had this idea at one point or another. At least those of us who occasionally want our actual FPS skills to matter more than how long we've been playing this game. The CPM's response is usually: it would divide the player base too much.

Whatever happened to the end-game rewards being based off of meta levels?

I remember hearing about how if I was using Militia fit, I would be rewarded a little extra if some one did bring prototype gear out and I shot them? And they would get less payout for shooting militias?

This would in fact encourage players to generally use the lower tier gear as a training type of scenario.

All dust needs is-
A MLT/STD gear no vehicles ambush mode.
PVE
P2P Market.


Boom dust is over 9000x better than it ever was.

1) Many have been recommending this since early closed beta, still hasn't happened. Don't get your hopes up.

2) Wrong forum section.

3) Learn how to use forum search.

4) Use of caps lock and triple exclamation points for the title of a repeat-post of something already posted about multiple times is strictly prohibited.

not JUST ambush... a no vehicle ambush (MLT/STD) ok... but the mode (MLT/STD) should include all the game modes, just allow MLT(MLT FIT) vehicles into the DOM/SKRM

I think we've all had this idea at one point or another. At least those of us who occasionally want our actual FPS skills to matter more than how long we've been playing this game. The CPM's response is usually: it would divide the player base too much.

Whatever happened to the end-game rewards being based off of meta levels?

I remember hearing about how if I was using Militia fit, I would be rewarded a little extra if someone did bring prototype gear out and I shot them? And they would get less payout for shooting militias?

This would in fact encourage players to generally use the lower tier gear as a training type of scenario.

I have been thinking the same thing. The minor leages. ISK and SP gain should be less than in tle Major Leages though.

100% militia means that everything has higher fitting costs.
That would lead to quite interesting trade-offs.

I wouldn't remove vehicles, though, because the game should be balanced around the whole set.
If you remove vehicles, you'd need a rebalance that actually takes this new game mode into account. If you just reduce to mlt/std, you just have to keep the same relative balance at a lower level of equipment.

(Actually, what is the current balance default? Is it competitive play, i.e. proto equipment?)

And yea, vehicles have to stay, though in this current iteration, tanks are a bit OP compared to the infantry they run beside.

As a FPS, it's rather lacking in the competition.

The thing with vehicles is that there is no viable militia method to take down tanks.
If the basic AV template had REs or a forge gun, HAVs would suddenly go down in masses.

By the way, fighting a LAV with a swarmer is currently really awesome.

I only started playing it because it's F2P, in contrast to all other PS3 FPS. I wouldn't actually buy a console FPS.
But yeah, it's extremely mediocre in terms of gameplay. Some of the nuances are actually interesting (I recently started using the Breach AR, for example, which feels really satisfying), but all in all there's not much depth to the game.
And that's a real shame, because the premise allows for all kinds of creativity in terms of gameplay design.
I played Section 8, Crysis and other games that roughly fall into the same niche and it's kind of unfortunate that this game didn't do any sideways glancing to those titles.
I really hope it gets better. Hell, it *did* get better. 1.7 was actually quite a decent patch, except for the AV oversight.
But it's not yet enough. They really need to fix basic stuff like the terrain issues, which are really frustrating when you try to run away and get stuck in a hill.

In my opinion, this game is way too subtle in the way in which customization works. I'm not talking about 100% damage increases - I'm talking about modules that increase zoom on scopes, allow grenades to be thrown further or grant you a decent bonus in jump height.
By the way, is there any point in different shield/armor damage values on guns? I mean, players should be able to use the guns they like most. They shouldn't get penalized because they encountered a Caldari instead of a Gallente while using projectile weapons.
Shields and armor are already quite different, after all, due to how speed maluses and regeneration work, as well as the slot layouts. There is no need in getting arbitrary damage type bonuses/penalties.
...But that's just rambling on my side. If you looked at the entire game rationally, it would also be wise to either change the reload system or replace the reload button with an automatic cooldown, because it would be functionally the same.
I don't think anyone would like that, though. Especially considering how people already want to pre-nerf cloaks.

You can even pass it off lore wise as citizen militias clashing on Caldari Prime.

I am in favor of this but the problem becomes vehicles. A Militia/Standard Swarm Launcher would be hard pressed to kill off a proper Standard Tank. If nothing else, it opens up some variety in game play rather than just having people use the same prototype weaponry ad nausea.