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Skihids wrote:

Roy Ventus wrote:

edguy 111 wrote:

the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half

I do your job with ADV equipment and a STD Gal-Logi.

Obviously, you're doing something wrong...whether it's how you fit your Logi or where you play it.

I don't try to use anything above 50k often because one death from that too early on and I can easily go negative. But let's ignore that and focus more on how you're not gaining enough ISK as a Logi. As a Logi, you should be getting paid more than an Assault usually...I'm talking like 200k-300k in decent matches and 300k+ in good matches.

I'll keep bringing out the 57k fit if the spawn and triage points keep streaming in as I know that I'm likely to get 250-300k for my troubles and I really like to win. I'm willing to risk an occasional ISK loss to win, and I'm slowly making money despite that.

"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."

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edguy 111 Quebec United 10	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:31:00 - [1] - Quote the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half scout logibro at is finest
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2494	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:33:00 - [2] - Quote How does your advanced logi cost over 100K? My advanced fit is about 45K and my prototype fit is around 150K. Share your fit please. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
g forc3 Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 10	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote That's an expensive fit my logi fit with proto Cal logistics and adv equipment and adv weapon cost around 90-100 thousand My ATL approves.
edguy 111 Quebec United 10	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:47:00 - [4] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: How does your advanced logi cost over 100K? My advanced fit is about 45K and my prototype fit is around 150K. Share your fit please. first i got cpu,pg lv5, adv combat rifle, m1 nades, 3 complex shield extender, 2 adv armor plate, 1 complex pg upgrade, 1 wikormy triage hive, complex needle and a core focus rep tool on an adv minmetar. and my proto is 290k :/ scout logibro at is finest
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 423	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:48:00 - [5] - Quote My atd medic cost 25k,,sometimes 37k or 50k using proto reper,i still make money and top of the board. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Orenji Jiji 331	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:52:00 - [6] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: How does your advanced logi cost over 100K? My advanced fit is about 45K and my prototype fit is around 150K. Share your fit please. Same. Minmatar logi, ADV 40-60k, PRO 140-160, athough I've made a 240k build once, 'twas nothing but a disappointment. Edit: proto nanos and high level gun will blow the price out of proportion. SL dumbfire, DS bumpercars, Scout beast-mode. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time.. to die.
P14GU3 The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 500	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:52:00 - [7] - Quote I agree, logis have the most isk/sp investment of any suit (tanks included,) but you can get away with a MUCH cheaper suit. Drop the proto rep. If your repping mostly infantry, the BDR-8 triage does a great job and cost half the isk. I get away with about 50k to 60k adv suits, and do fairly well. As long as I die less than four times, i go isk positive everytime. With that said, ISK payouts in pub are crap. Its not just a logi problem (cheaper equipment would help) but anyone who isnt sitting in the redline sniping, has a good chance to lose isk
edguy 111 Quebec United 10	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:56:00 - [8] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: My STD medic cost 25k,,sometimes 37k or 50k using proto reper,i still make money and top of the board.The trick is to prioritize your suits equipment and not run everything proto. yeah i know but i pass so much time grinding to have the best equipment i want to use them lol but i made me make a bunch of wp, 3600 wp once in ambush XD scout logibro at is finest
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 351	Posted - 2014.01.09 20:57:00 - [9] - Quote You're running the wrong setup for pubs. My adv logi is only 32-41k depending on what I need. My proto is 200k. You shouldn't put proto equipment on a adv suit in random pubs. That's an easy way to lose a lot of money with little benefit. Swap out that hive and rep tool for lvl3 gear. drop the pg upgrade since you won't be running proto eq. If you're running a suit worth that much, it effectively means you can only lose 1-2 suits and still make a profit. With today's ttk, you're not going to be able to do that unless you have a truly effective team. Take your average deaths per match, divide that into your average take home isk after each battle. That number is what you should aim for in your 80% of the time running suit. Bring our the big guns ONLY when you're in a squad that is really good and looking out for you, or if you are in PC and they need all the win. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
VonSpliff 0uter.Heaven 26	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:00:00 - [10] - Quote Mim Adv Logi - 3cpx shield 1 adv kat 1 adv STM 1 adv armor Gek M1 nade K2 hive Wyki needle Adv scan or rep(mostly scan cause needle is 80%) - 54k I have proto tools but they are way to expensive at that level to use in pubs. With this fit I can only die 3 times to stay in the green. But for the most part i can be a true logi and still compete in the battle.

Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2669	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:01:00 - [11] - Quote I'm making ISK with the ADV MIN suit and proto equipment in all three slots. Costs range from 45-57k ISK a fitting. That's probably because I carry a STD BPO AR and don't run the CPU upgrade and all those Complex Extenders. I also have some full BPO or nearly all BPO fits to use after I drop the equipment. It's wasteful to carry proto equipment to drop when running with the rep tool. You will die too frequently at the front line. My medic fit is the BPO SEVR suit with the MLT BPO repair tool. It costs nothing and yields multiples of the WP's of the proto as it's all based on cycle count. The better tools require fewer cycles and pay out less because of it. Ditch the high end tool and get the MLT BPO. Strip the suit down to that and the BPO needle and hives. Fit a BPO light weapon and grenade on a free suit and you can make bank at zero risk, or you can toss on a scanner or upgraded hives at nominal cost. Remember, you are a mercenary, not a charity.
edguy 111 Quebec United 10	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:05:00 - [12] - Quote lee corwood wrote: You're running the wrong setup for pubs. My adv logi is only 32-41k depending on what I need. My proto is 200k. You shouldn't put proto equipment on a adv suit in random pubs. That's an easy way to lose a lot of money with little benefit. Swap out that hive and rep tool for lvl3 gear. drop the pg upgrade since you won't be running proto eq. If you're running a suit worth that much, it effectively means you can only lose 1-2 suits and still make a profit. With today's ttk, you're not going to be able to do that unless you have a truly effective team. Take your average deaths per match, divide that into your average take home isk after each battle. That number is what you should aim for in your 80% of the time running suit. Bring our the big guns ONLY when you're in a squad that is really good and looking out for you, or if you are in PC and they need all the win. yeah you right in pubs i play with more cheap fits and still make isk. but man that feeling of being the best medic on the field is so fun i want to play that way all the time XD scout logibro at is finest
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2495	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:06:00 - [13] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: How does your advanced logi cost over 100K? My advanced fit is about 45K and my prototype fit is around 150K. Share your fit please. first i got cpu,pg lv5, adv combat rifle, m1 nades, 3 complex shield extender, 2 adv armor plate, 1 complex pg upgrade, 1 wikormy triage hive, complex needle and a core focus rep tool on an adv minmetar. and my proto is 290k :/ You can run whatever fit you want but I'd suggest that the equipment you are running is too expensive for most matches. Maybe pick one item to run at prototype and drop the rest to advanced to cut your costs. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Asya Belentine Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 117	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:10:00 - [14] - Quote Let see.. i'm a true support logi.. adv fit.. have made almost 80mil (i have never been bankrolled in PC as I am just getting proto now.) I make 2k-3.5kwp per match. (unless i'm just FN off) about 300k isk per match. avg suit cost 52k umm.. your doing it wrong? ~Somewhere out there is a tree, tirelessly producing oxygen so you can breathe. I think you owe it an apology~
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 354	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:11:00 - [15] - Quote Skihids wrote: It costs nothing and yields multiples of the WP's of the proto as it's all based on cycle count. The better tools require fewer cycles and pay out less because of it. Remember, you are a mercenary, not a charity. Not true. You get WP for the amount of damaged healed. That number is capped for the game, but if I'm using a militia or a proto rep tool, I'm going to get the same amount of WP, I'm just going to get those points slower using the militia/bpo one. People think you get less because you spend less time healing. I'd rather spend less time without a gun in my hands. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 826	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:13:00 - [16] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half I do your job with ADV equipment and a STD Gal-Logi. Obviously, you're doing something wrong...whether it's how you fit your Logi or where you play it. I don't try to use anything above 50k often because one death from that too early on and I can easily go negative. But let's ignore that and focus more on how you're not gaining enough ISK as a Logi. As a Logi, you should be getting paid more than an Assault usually...I'm talking like 200k-300k in decent matches and 300k+ in good matches. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2669	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:14:00 - [17] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: edguy 111 wrote: Reav Hannari wrote: How does your advanced logi cost over 100K? My advanced fit is about 45K and my prototype fit is around 150K. Share your fit please. first i got cpu,pg lv5, adv combat rifle, m1 nades, 3 complex shield extender, 2 adv armor plate, 1 complex pg upgrade, 1 wikormy triage hive, complex needle and a core focus rep tool on an adv minmetar. and my proto is 290k :/ You can run whatever fit you want but I'd suggest that the equipment you are running is too expensive for most matches. Maybe pick one item to run at prototype and drop the rest to advanced to cut your costs. Run a seperate fit for proto equipment to drop. Try to place it and swap before dying. If you do lose it you have the option to come back in a cheap suit. ADV and Proto needles and repair tools have no place in pubs unless your squad takes responsibility for your defense or is willing to fund your losses. You aren't a charity. The free gear yields far better rewards too, rewards that count toward the next OB.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2669	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:20:00 - [18] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: edguy 111 wrote: the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half I do your job with ADV equipment and a STD Gal-Logi. Obviously, you're doing something wrong...whether it's how you fit your Logi or where you play it. I don't try to use anything above 50k often because one death from that too early on and I can easily go negative. But let's ignore that and focus more on how you're not gaining enough ISK as a Logi. As a Logi, you should be getting paid more than an Assault usually...I'm talking like 200k-300k in decent matches and 300k+ in good matches. I'll keep bringing out the 57k fit if the spawn and triage points keep streaming in as I know that I'm likely to get 250-300k for my troubles and I really like to win. I'm willing to risk an occasional ISK loss to win, and I'm slowly making money despite that.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 162	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:25:00 - [19] - Quote Adv Min logi 3 enh shield ext 3 enh armor plates basic AR basic AV nade Six kin triage rep tool 50% injector K-2 hive less than 60k isk, low enough to be profitable in pubs if you are careful. You can get it lower if you have any BPOs and you can still be the best medic on the field...
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 765	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:29:00 - [20] - Quote anyone else worried about the cpu/pg reduction to equipment. by my calculations that's going to free up 4 pg at the most. at the expense of the 5hp's. when i think about it i dont think its worth it https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Scrappy Bernard Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:31:00 - [21] - Quote If they nerf CPU/PG of the suit the 25% reduction will be ****.
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 355	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:32:00 - [22] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: anyone else worried about the cpu/pg reduction to equipment. by my calculations that's going to free up 4 pg at the most. at the expense of the 5hp's. when i think about it i dont think its worth it I'm not sure what the problem with eq was before. I'm at level 3 cpu/pg, working on maxing them and can carry most everything I need. I never had trouble running the builds I wanted, even with a proto CR on my logi with 2 proto and 2 adv eq. However, I am going to be very, very sad to lose my auto rep. I was already squishy to everything before. Now I'm extra squishy. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
edguy 111 Quebec United 12	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:36:00 - [23] - Quote Lv2spd2 wrote: Adv Min logi 3 enh shield ext 3 enh armor plates basic AR basic AV nade Six kin triage rep tool 50% injector K-2 hive less than 60k isk, low enough to be profitable in pubs if you are careful. You can get it lower if you have any BPOs and you can still be the best medic on the field... nice fitting i will try it! scout logibro at is finest
Logi Stician The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 137	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:40:00 - [24] - Quote Dren BPO suit BPO- -shield extenders x2 -armor plates -armor rep -rep gun -injector -locus grenade ADV quantum scanner Basic CR EDIT 8,500isk
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2671	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:40:00 - [25] - Quote Think of it this way: Being a profitable Logi is like being in business. You can have people working for you or you can be a wage slave earning money via your personal labor. The business owner with people working for him can be far more profitiable than even the most eager beaver wage slave. He can take time off and still make money because he has other people working for him. Your medic logi follows a heavy or small squad around waiting for an opportunity to earn a few WP's. That's a very poor way to spend your time. The opportunities are low and the cost is high. You put yourself at considerable risk as the enemy will consider you more dangerous and kill you first. The equipment support logi on the other hand lays out useful equipment in prime locations. You want diligent workers, not a bunch of gossips gathered at the water cooler so don't drop them all in one place. Care for your employees and don't put them in places that are likely to get destroyed. Put them where the customers are. Hives and triage near the front and spawn points near but not visible from the front. Put some around behind the enemy so Assaults can flank them. it's not enough to hire good workers and send them to the best places, you also have to tend to them. Invariably some quit, either wearing out or being destroyed by the enemy. Some might simply get left behind as the front moves. Keep an eye out and replace the ones that need replacing. If the match is going well you might find you have time to sit back and take a well deserved break. At this time you can switch to an Assault fitting to have some fun shooting faces, or swap to an inexpensive medic fit to have fun at the front line, or you can simply sit back and watch the battle from a safe vantage point. Some matches will find you in constant motion, always behind as the enemy destroys uplinks and hives. It's up to you to decide when to cut your losses if your blues are simply not up to the task of putting up a good fight. That happens far less when you place good flanking uplinks, but sometimes there's nothing you can do.
edguy 111 Quebec United 12	Posted - 2014.01.09 21:43:00 - [26] - Quote lee corwood wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: anyone else worried about the cpu/pg reduction to equipment. by my calculations that's going to free up 4 pg at the most. at the expense of the 5hp's. when i think about it i dont think its worth it I'm not sure what the problem with eq was before. I'm at level 3 cpu/pg, working on maxing them and can carry most everything I need. I never had trouble running the builds I wanted, even with a proto CR on my logi with 2 proto and 2 adv eq. However, I am going to be very, very sad to lose my auto rep. I was already squishy to everything before. Now I'm extra squishy. what? they changing bonus????? damn i choose the min logi for it bonus,i think the current bonus is perfect. hacking is a great bonus for a logi....and so is the auto rep. scout logibro at is finest
Xvos Reigns Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 26	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:12:00 - [27] - Quote edguy 111 wrote: the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half My basic logi is around 50k isk and i still pull around 3000wp. A match and make somewhere betwen 250k-500k. I don't run my proto logi anymore because they cost between 250k-330k,depending on which of my suits i run. Support Logistics Invictus Maneo~ "I remain unvanquished"
Zimander Tickle My Null-Sac 25	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:23:00 - [28] - Quote LOL I use my Adv logi with Militia Armor/Shield BPO and RR, BPO Rep/Injector I spend not more then 20k per game in witch I gain 200k-250k per game
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1520	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:41:00 - [29] - Quote My proto Gallente Logistic costs almost 200K ISK.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 830	Posted - 2014.01.09 22:42:00 - [30] - Quote Skihids wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: edguy 111 wrote: the problem with logi is the isk we make. peoples want real logi but my adv logi cost 125k my repair tool alone cost 35k.....how i suppose to play medic and make isk? use equipment lv1 when i have play months to get my proto equipment? and dont tell me " play ambush" because it pointless always full of asian jerks with tonne of isk that only play proto and tanks vs new players and peoples trying to make some isk. i mean come on my proto triage hives cost more than my dropship.....geez ccp if you want real logi slash equipment price by half I do your job with ADV equipment and a STD Gal-Logi. Obviously, you're doing something wrong...whether it's how you fit your Logi or where you play it. I don't try to use anything above 50k often because one death from that too early on and I can easily go negative. But let's ignore that and focus more on how you're not gaining enough ISK as a Logi. As a Logi, you should be getting paid more than an Assault usually...I'm talking like 200k-300k in decent matches and 300k+ in good matches. I'll keep bringing out the 57k fit if the spawn and triage points keep streaming in as I know that I'm likely to get 250-300k for my troubles and I really like to win. I'm willing to risk an occasional ISK loss to win, and I'm slowly making money despite that. Yeah that makes sense. If I'm doing 10/2 in the first half of the game. It's easier to throw on ADV-PRO. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus



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