This is where one area cloaks will shine or should shine the best.

In CQC is should be more for the ability to hide in a corner catch a breather plan the next step before going out to snatch another person out of the squad you're harassing.

It's a minor nerf meant to protect the cloak. Just like how knives came pre nerfed and were later buffed. Pre nerfed tools have a higher likelihood of avoiding over nerfs than normal tools. Remember the flay lock, laser rifles, and mass drivers? Those came in as normal but later ended up overly nerfed.

A pre nerf is something that is still practical and useful but doesn't draw the attention of the "QQers". In fact, these have a higher likelihood of getting buffs later down the road. The knives came pre nerfed but later got buffed.

As it stands, there are people right now who fear the very existence of the cloak itself and don't want it in the game in general. If it came pre nerfed, it would allow players to get comfortable with it and try it out to see if it needs a buff (often times it does). This way, the cloak will be tuned up to the levels you like without causing much ire in the forum.

Why dont you bring something to the table instead of flipping it every second?

It's called being flexible and adapting. I'm not always a hardliner like people expect. Maybe I'm a hardliner when it comes to respecs but not on other things.

Whatever it was; it did not warrant my attention long enough.

Continuing on with the conversation.

Knowing CCP it is far far far easier to ask for a buff than a nerf. It is far easier to get these hooks and mechanics in so they can work with other things in the future instead of having to go back reprogram it and recreate a new technical hurdle to nerf it.

I am taking into consideration the feelings of scout community here. Us scouts have suffered enough as it is. I just don't want the QQers to have any more reason to nerf more things and we all know how dangerous CCP can be with a nerf bat when they get influenced by the loudest QQers out there (think of a drunk Thor at a bar fight... not pretty). I have seen the impact these type of players made when HMGs and HAVs first got nerfed. Then the Mass Driver got nerfed badly followed by the Flay Lock Pistol and the Dropships. It was QQ everywhere. Hell, there was QQ even for ARs of all things. Basically, if it killed you, it got the nerf bat. Only the knives were spared. It was sad. It still is sad.

I just don't want the cloak to be "OK" on day one followed by the General Discussion forums being flooded with "NERF CLOAK", "REMOVE CLOAK", "CLOAK IS OP", "WHAT IS THIS, HARRY POTTER? NERF CLOAK", etc., etc., etc. then a month later we end up with a gimped cloak that is so useless we might as well just forget about it.

You know what? Forget it. Forget all of my ideas and recommendations. Now that I think about it, QQers will just QQ anyways. I'll just let CCP throw the cloak as they like into the game and then just wait for the QQ as I eat popcorn. QQers seem to have so much influence nowadays.

Knowing CCP it is far far far easier to ask for a buff than a nerf. It is far easier to get these hooks and mechanics in so they can work with other things in the future instead of having to go back reprogram it and recreate a new technical hurdle to nerf it.

Just preliminaries that logis are going to out cloak scouts. Even worse the active scanner is supposively going to be the anti-cloaking tool, guess who has two equipment slots to do both?

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1708873#post1708873

The 1.5m forced deactivation range isn't actually bad- my knife kills tend to be at about 2m.

So basically, forced deactivation would just be if you bumped into a red.

So you're going to combat this by increasing the level of complexity involved in coding the cloaks and giving them a greater number of factors to balance?

I'm still of the opinion that there should also be an additional covert ops cloak that can only be fitted on no less than a prototype scout or covert ops specialty scout. This should have perks that the normal cloak doesn't have. Much like the covert ops cloak in Eve.

Dust 514 had a fake cloak not too long ago, if you got hit with the absolute WORST of the rendering bug you'd know how terrible cloaks can be. People still showing up in the minimap and red reticule still happened and yet that still severely put you as a massive disadvantage as people did not render up to even knife ranges it was that bad. I gotten some of my best knife kills during that time too because likely I was not rendering to my victims.

Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.


So if you want to invalidate how a bug which is functionally similar to the suggested cloak, then by means any other game reference on cloaks, as well as external gameplay factors should also be invalid.

A far safer approach is to not introduce killerbee flaylock 2.0 on the grounds that this may not see adjustment for ungodly amounts of time. Remember the previous roadmap nearly officially over and monthly patches may no longer be a thing.

Overpowered objects have no room in this game, not for a month, not for two months, not for a half year, and certainly not for a year or a decade as it is in eve's case.