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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1000
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:49:00 -
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TheDarthMa94 wrote:These kids are the future, and it is our duty to guide them to victory and glory! Thel tell spawn in, and melee a wall expecting it to be destructible.
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
Forum Warrior Level: 10
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
7702
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:50:00 -
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These people, I like them. I hope they stay.
Level 7 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
163
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:51:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Last night I was at Game stop 'returning' some games that... didn't fit my inventory at home *wink* when I saw a kid on an iPad looking at Dust514.
He was with 5 other kids, all huddling around this system, that was describing Dust514. Me, being the out-going SOB I am, simply walked up to the kids and asked if they were interested in the game.
The kid holding the system replies first: "It seems cool." "Yea!" Replies the rest.
"What do you know of it?" I asked, curious what they found out on there own.
"You can take over planets, move armies, you get this customizable RPG element for character build-up and equipment. Oh, there's money, value, risk vs reward..." *CUT* as they ranted - basically all they knew were what was said in 2012 dev-blogs. They knew next to nothing about EvE other then it was a space sim that was, maybe, or is still around. Lol
"Would you guys like it if it meant you'd be useless for over a month before you can make an impact on the field?"
I didn't get a response at first, but there was this really tall kid who stepped up from here: "If you have to work for it, doesn't that make it more satisfying to use? You get to take that hard work and make a difference in a universe, that's cool."
BAM. BOOM. POOOOW.
Soon as this kid finished his friends jumped to agree on how cool that would be.
"It's over a month of you going 0/14 game after game, can you really say you'd enjoy that experience until it changes?" I asked with a raised eye-brow.
"Yes" o.0
"Why?"
"Look at BF4 - it's just instant satisfaction. FPS's are all we pretty much play, we want something involved outside of a program."
"Player vs player?" I asked
"No, it doesn't have to be player vs player, it could be player with player changing the gaming environment somehow. Ever played mine craft? We play that game- if an FPS could have an environment like that but with consequences and things that matter and move with or without you... then how is that anything but a next gen game?"
At this point I'm sort of in shock, these aren't the answers I expected at all!
I took off shortly after since I got a call asking for a favor - but I gave the guys my PSN and plan to squad up with them later today or this week.
How many experiences have you guys had speaking over Dust with people who've never played?
i call bs no kid talks like this.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
11741
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:52:00 -
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You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right?
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist
\\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
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Long Evity
909
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:53:00 -
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boba's fetta wrote:Long Evity wrote:Last night I was at Game stop 'returning' some games that... didn't fit my inventory at home *wink* when I saw a kid on an iPad looking at Dust514.
He was with 5 other kids, all huddling around this system, that was describing Dust514. Me, being the out-going SOB I am, simply walked up to the kids and asked if they were interested in the game.
The kid holding the system replies first: "It seems cool." "Yea!" Replies the rest.
"What do you know of it?" I asked, curious what they found out on there own.
"You can take over planets, move armies, you get this customizable RPG element for character build-up and equipment. Oh, there's money, value, risk vs reward..." *CUT* as they ranted - basically all they knew were what was said in 2012 dev-blogs. They knew next to nothing about EvE other then it was a space sim that was, maybe, or is still around. Lol
"Would you guys like it if it meant you'd be useless for over a month before you can make an impact on the field?"
I didn't get a response at first, but there was this really tall kid who stepped up from here: "If you have to work for it, doesn't that make it more satisfying to use? You get to take that hard work and make a difference in a universe, that's cool."
BAM. BOOM. POOOOW.
Soon as this kid finished his friends jumped to agree on how cool that would be.
"It's over a month of you going 0/14 game after game, can you really say you'd enjoy that experience until it changes?" I asked with a raised eye-brow.
"Yes" o.0
"Why?"
"Look at BF4 - it's just instant satisfaction. FPS's are all we pretty much play, we want something involved outside of a program."
"Player vs player?" I asked
"No, it doesn't have to be player vs player, it could be player with player changing the gaming environment somehow. Ever played mine craft? We play that game- if an FPS could have an environment like that but with consequences and things that matter and move with or without you... then how is that anything but a next gen game?"
At this point I'm sort of in shock, these aren't the answers I expected at all!
I took off shortly after since I got a call asking for a favor - but I gave the guys my PSN and plan to squad up with them later today or this week.
How many experiences have you guys had speaking over Dust with people who've never played? i call bs no kid talks like this. Duh? I don't have the kind of memory to state what they had to say word for word to bring them to life for you.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Long Evity
909
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Quil Evrything
Triple Terrors
676
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:58:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game -
funny.. I dont care about it at all. And I've been playing for something like 5 months.
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Long Evity
909
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:58:00 -
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Quil Evrything wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - funny.. I dont care about it at all. And I've been playing for something like 5 months. If you asked the world what's better - good or evil. There will always be some who say evil.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
423
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:59:00 -
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OP those weren't kids,your just a older by comparison
A strange game.
The only winning move is
not to play.
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Zekain K
Expert Intervention Caldari State
1000
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:00:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC. And every other area of the game mode unchangeable.
A corp full of new players would not be able to make a difference in pc, or fw. If they managed ro gain some land, they would simply lose it the next day
CALDARI not so MASTER RACE
Forum Warrior Level: 10
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Long Evity
913
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:02:00 -
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Johnny Guilt wrote:OP those weren't kids,your just a old. I am old, they were easily 16+, one for sure was 18. But 'kids' compared to me. >: (
Age is just a ******* number!!!!!!!!!
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
6332
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:07:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Lt Royal wrote:So basically you just told us a story of how you chatted up some children in a games store, gave them your number so you can talk to them over coms..... LOL N.A.M.B.L.A. 514
That's right, NAMBLA!
The National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes!
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD
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Righteous Rage
BIG BAD W0LVES
24
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:13:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC.
Nobody really cares about PC. There would be more than a few corps duking it out. Also am I the only person here who feels this account is just a story. It seems contrived. Kids have no idea what risk vs reward means. Its more of a bitter vet term.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Slim Winning
BIG BAD W0LVES
1
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:14:00 -
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I have friends that are ranked Battlefield, Halo, and Call of Duty players...
I explained DUST to them, and they said it was cool. I explained the grind as a new player, and the new player torture and they weren't interested.
"Why would I want to take 10 steps backwards to get to playing level I already am on another game?" one of them said to me. |
Long Evity
913
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:17:00 -
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Righteous Rage wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC. Nobody really cares about PC. There would be more than a few corps duking it out. Also am I the only person here who feels this account is just a story. It seems contrived. Kids have no idea what risk vs reward means. Its more of a bitter vet term. Wrong.
Anyone whose played this game enough to recognize PC errors aren't interested. PC is the main attraction to this game - to manage, control, organize, and move armies. FW and Pubs? Pretty sure every game has Pubs, and FW is nothing but a pub.
I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
295
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:40:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Lt Royal wrote:So basically you just told us a story of how you chatted up some children in a games store, gave them your number so you can talk to them over coms..... LOL N.A.M.B.L.A. 514 That's right, NAMBLA! The National Association of Marlon Brando Look-Alikes! Wait, thats what yours is? Wrong nambla
I use a tablet so beware of typos
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
2006
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:41:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Last night I was at Game stop 'returning' some games that... didn't fit my inventory at home *wink* when I saw a kid on an iPad looking at Dust514.
He was with 5 other kids, all huddling around this system, that was describing Dust514. Me, being the out-going SOB I am, simply walked up to the kids and asked if they were interested in the game.
The kid holding the system replies first: "It seems cool." "Yea!" Replies the rest.
"What do you know of it?" I asked, curious what they found out on there own.
"You can take over planets, move armies, you get this customizable RPG element for character build-up and equipment. Oh, there's money, value, risk vs reward..." *CUT* as they ranted - basically all they knew were what was said in 2012 dev-blogs. They knew next to nothing about EvE other then it was a space sim that was, maybe, or is still around. Lol
"Would you guys like it if it meant you'd be useless for over a month before you can make an impact on the field?"
I didn't get a response at first, but there was this really tall kid who stepped up from here: "If you have to work for it, doesn't that make it more satisfying to use? You get to take that hard work and make a difference in a universe, that's cool."
BAM. BOOM. POOOOW.
Soon as this kid finished his friends jumped to agree on how cool that would be.
"It's over a month of you going 0/14 game after game, can you really say you'd enjoy that experience until it changes?" I asked with a raised eye-brow.
"Yes" o.0
"Why?"
"Look at BF4 - it's just instant satisfaction. FPS's are all we pretty much play, we want something involved outside of a program."
"Player vs player?" I asked
"No, it doesn't have to be player vs player, it could be player with player changing the gaming environment somehow. Ever played mine craft? We play that game- if an FPS could have an environment like that but with consequences and things that matter and move with or without you... then how is that anything but a next gen game?"
At this point I'm sort of in shock, these aren't the answers I expected at all!
I took off shortly after since I got a call asking for a favor - but I gave the guys my PSN and plan to squad up with them later today or this week.
How many experiences have you guys had speaking over Dust with people who've never played?
I think this is great.
Level 2 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
6337
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:01:00 -
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Slim Winning wrote:I have friends that are ranked Battlefield, Halo, and Call of Duty players...
I explained DUST to them, and they said it was cool. I explained the grind as a new player, and the new player torture and they weren't interested.
"Why would I want to take 10 steps backwards to get to playing level I already am on another game?" one of them said to me.
Those kind of players seem to confuse grind with "taking 10 steps backwards". They should know better that's not the case.
I guess those kind of players just love instant-gratification and don't want to work for anything. Yes, Halo does offer leveling for things like the Suppressor Rifle, Covenant Carbine and things like that, but all of the weapons are just no more effective than the standard UNSC rifle. I have been playing Halo for years since the release of the very first iteration of it and so far I am more than capable of mopping the floor with anyone around me with just the standard rifle alone. There is no point in working for the other weapons. The armor that I unlock is purely cosmetic and they carry no benefit other than to look pretty.
But to me, the biggest stumbling block with most FPS game is the fact that my progress means nothing (no persistence) as soon as another version of the game comes out. As soon as CoD: Ghosts came out, any progress that I have made with CoD: Black Ops can't be transferred to the new version. I have to unlock the same weapons all over again. What's the point? There is no point. It's like you finally found the key to unlock the cage that you are in only to find out that you have to escape from an even bigger cage that your smaller cage was in and the key you have is useless for that bigger cage. It just goes on repeatedly after that.
Because of this, I have given up on playing anymore Halo games or any CoD games or any other game that follows this mentality for that matter. Dust so far has at least given me a breath of fresh air for once in my life. I have to work for gear that is ACTUALLY better than the standard gear that I have and my progress remains persistent in the next update no matter what. And the best part? The updates are free and no need to worry about Dust 514 II or Dust 514 III, IV, V, VI, etc.........
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD
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Righteous Rage
BIG BAD W0LVES
28
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:04:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC. Nobody really cares about PC. There would be more than a few corps duking it out. Also am I the only person here who feels this account is just a story. It seems contrived. Kids have no idea what risk vs reward means. Its more of a bitter vet term. Wrong. Anyone whose played this game enough to recognize PC errors aren't interested. PC is the main attraction to this game - to manage, control, organize, and move armies. FW and Pubs? Pretty sure every game has Pubs, and FW is nothing but a pub. And again - the story should seem off. It's just a rough interruption of events. I would ask you stop generalizing an entire age group into 'remedial'
When I sell dust I sell it with a meaningful clan system. Then I show off my arsenal. Also dropping vehicles into a hotzone really interests people. I stick to the things that aren't just for beta vets, because that is a broken carrot. Most new players wont be able to comprehend the reasons we all have. You have to get them hooked on the gear while selling the idea little portions at a time.
"Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1519
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:09:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC. Nobody really cares about PC. There would be more than a few corps duking it out. Also am I the only person here who feels this account is just a story. It seems contrived. Kids have no idea what risk vs reward means. Its more of a bitter vet term. Wrong. Anyone whose played this game enough to recognize PC errors aren't interested. PC is the main attraction to this game - to manage, control, organize, and move armies. FW and Pubs? Pretty sure every game has Pubs, and FW is nothing but a pub. And again - the story should seem off. It's just a rough interruption of events. I would ask you stop generalizing an entire age group into 'remedial'
Not really. You ever wonder why corp battles are not placed yet? You looking back can't say PC is more popular then CB. Place CB now and many won't bother with PC. Unless they have care or stake in EVE. |
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1976
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:09:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Righteous Rage wrote:Long Evity wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:You do realize you stated a fallacy with being useless on day one to day thirty right? Care to take a day one character into PC? PC is all people care about in this game - and is the only part they really want to interact with. It takes well over a month to be even SLIGHTLY useful in PC. Nobody really cares about PC. There would be more than a few corps duking it out. Also am I the only person here who feels this account is just a story. It seems contrived. Kids have no idea what risk vs reward means. Its more of a bitter vet term. Wrong. Anyone whose played this game enough to recognize PC errors aren't interested. PC is the main attraction to this game - to manage, control, organize, and move armies. FW and Pubs? Pretty sure every game has Pubs, and FW is nothing but a pub. And again - the story should seem off. It's just a rough interruption of events. I would ask you stop generalizing an entire age group into 'remedial' The reason PC isn't done often is because it's laggy as **** and it's not that important EVE side. strangely enough I think FW has so much more potential in the short term (Team Deploy)
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
2600
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:32:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Long Evity wrote: [Long talks about the grind] Soon as this kid finished his friends jumped to agree on how cool that would be.
"It's over a month of you going 0/14 game after game, can you really say you'd enjoy that experience until it changes?" I asked with a raised eye-brow.
"Yes" o.0
I'm surprised they said yes, after the way you described it. For the record, though, you described it inaccurately. It is not that you need to grind for a month to be successful. It's that you need to actually play it for that long, to get good at it. It takes that long, to embrace AR514 A starter fit, with just initial points dumped into AR skills, is quite deadly, when used by a skilled player. Plus, saying "0/14 for a month" is grossly exaggerating things. It's more like 2/14 lol, I always give people slightly exaggerated numbers when concerning Dust. I was honestly trying to get them to see Dust in a negative light, they turned it positive themselves. I'm guessing they were already hyped up before I got there.
teenagers and 'free' = WIN
now they have spAre change to participate in 'safe' sex :P
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1976
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:52:00 -
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:Long Evity wrote:Quil Evrything wrote:Long Evity wrote: [Long talks about the grind] Soon as this kid finished his friends jumped to agree on how cool that would be.
"It's over a month of you going 0/14 game after game, can you really say you'd enjoy that experience until it changes?" I asked with a raised eye-brow.
"Yes" o.0
I'm surprised they said yes, after the way you described it. For the record, though, you described it inaccurately. It is not that you need to grind for a month to be successful. It's that you need to actually play it for that long, to get good at it. It takes that long, to embrace AR514 A starter fit, with just initial points dumped into AR skills, is quite deadly, when used by a skilled player. Plus, saying "0/14 for a month" is grossly exaggerating things. It's more like 2/14 lol, I always give people slightly exaggerated numbers when concerning Dust. I was honestly trying to get them to see Dust in a negative light, they turned it positive themselves. I'm guessing they were already hyped up before I got there. teenagers and 'free' = WIN now they have spAre change to participate in 'safe' sex :P At least they're wearing a condom.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Patrick57
5686
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:06:00 -
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That was probably all made up.
Zatara hates me :(
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10330
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:13:00 -
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So did you actually squad with them in the end?
Patrick57 wrote:That was probably all made up.
You are too young to be so cynical.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
125
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So did you actually squad with them in the end? yea, gave them tons of ISK. But they honestly couldn't keep up with the grind like they said they would be willing to.
I still talk to them too - but now they mostly play GTAV LOL
It's easy to build up hype for this game - it's hard to keep it.
I think out of all those kids only that tall one still plays, but if my PSN list is an indicator of anything - it isn't much. |
Patrick57
5686
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:22:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So did you actually squad with them in the end? yea, gave them tons of ISK. Don't you wanna give this kid some ISK? :D
Zatara hates me :(
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:22:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Patrick57 wrote:That was probably all made up. You are too young to be so cynical. lol it's fine. I typed it up using my own wording, so it does come off as made up. But I assure you it's true, it just didn't go down like the OP suggests. |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
127
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:23:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So did you actually squad with them in the end? yea, gave them tons of ISK. Don't you wanna give this kid some ISK? :D Talk to Zatara - he just sold a ton of districts, so he should have extra ISK to give ya, right? |
ALT2 acc
217
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Posted - 2014.03.03 20:25:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:So did you actually squad with them in the end? yea, gave them tons of ISK. Don't you wanna give this kid some ISK? :D Talk to Zatara - he just sold a ton of districts, so he should have extra ISK to give ya, right? This kid (legaly) wants some isk :D
Trolling proficiency 5
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