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Agrios Endendros
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Posted - 2014.01.08 21:22:00 -
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Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought.
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:56:00 -
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Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought.
interesting.
I also expect a full respec of all SP
Possible skill tree layout:
DropSuit Command  Basic Light Frame Amarr Scout
Caldari Scout
Gallente Scout
Minmitar Scout
Basic Medium Frame Amarr Assault
Amarr Logistics
Caldari Assault
Caldari Logistics
Gallente Assault
Gallente Logistics
Minmitar Assault
Minmitar Logistics
Basic Heavy Frame Amarr Sentinal
Amarr Commando
Caldari Sentinal
Caldari Commando
Gallente Sentinal
Gallente Commando
Minmitar Sentinal
Minmitar Commando
(Edit: layout not working as intended)
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Drapedup Drippedout
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:58:00 -
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Maybe when Pilot suit hits it will have ties to racial vehicles?? |
Aero Yassavi
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:40:00 -
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When CCP designed the vehicle skill tree to unlock all racial vehicles with the same skill, it was quite obvious that it was all to stop respec requests in the future. I do quite like the way the vehicle skill tree works though, but doubt we'd get it for dropsuits since it looks like the next update will have the full line-up.
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It's a plane!
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:42:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:When CCP designed the vehicle skill tree to unlock all racial vehicles with the same skill, it was quite obvious that it was all to stop respec requests in the future. I do quite like the way the vehicle skill tree works though, but doubt we'd get it for dropsuits since it looks like the next update will have the full line-up.
They might do it like HAV because they said they want to lower the SP sink. |
Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:56:00 -
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There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period.
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jerrmy12 kahoalii
The Phoenix Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:58:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period.
Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.09 18:59:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period. Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec
CCP needs to do it all at once, and then definitively say "no more".
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T'orq
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:02:00 -
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I see what you mean, that would make for a interesting skill tree if they did that with dropsuits.
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CrotchGrab 360
The Men In The Mirror
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:02:00 -
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A respec kind of worries me as I'll need to be up all night planning with military precision as to what I'm
going to skill into!
I want to keep Caldari Logistics suit as being a logi brings a new dimension to the game.
Just shooting people gets boring, I think I would not find it much fun using an assault suit.
rail rifle prof 5 is a definite though, |
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Aero Yassavi
Paladin Survey Force
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:04:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period. Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec CCP needs to do it all at once, and then definitively say "no more".
I sort of agree with you, but I can see CCP giving an infantry only respec with 1.8 and then say "no more." This is because all the racial dropsuits will be out, along with the four core racial rifles and CCP will deem that enough core content for infantry. And then for vehicles, they are all unlocked with a general skill instead of a specific racial skill so I can see them not offering a respec for those.
It's a bird!
It's a plane!
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Bunny Demon
Scions of Athra
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Posted - 2014.01.09 19:09:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought. interesting. I also expect a full respec of all SP Possible skill tree layout: DropSuit Command Basic Light Frame Amarr Scout Caldari Scout Gallente Scout Minmitar Scout DropSuit Command Basic Medium Frame Amarr Assault Amarr Logistics Caldari Assault Caldari Logistics Gallente Assault Gallente Logistics Minmitar Assault Minmitar Logistics DropSuit Command Basic Heavy Frame Amarr Sentinal Amarr Commando Caldari Sentinal Caldari Commando Gallente Sentinal Gallente Commando Minmitar Sentinal Minmitar Commando (Edit: layout not working as intended but basically...Dropsuit Command then all three basic frame then after the basic frame, all racial varients)
So would the basic frames give you access to all the suits in that category?
Ie light basic frame level 3 would give me adv light frames (without bonuses) for all 4 races
Just to be clear I would prefer this system to the current one but this might need to be considered
Amarr logi ftw :D
(Also...ScR is pretty good)
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:00:00 -
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Bunny Demon wrote:Maximus Stryker wrote:Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought. EDITED OUT LARGE CONTENT BLOCK (Edit: layout not working as intended but basically...Dropsuit Command then all three basic frame then after the basic frame, all racial varients) So would the basic frames give you access to all the suits in that category? Ie light basic frame level 3 would give me adv light frames (without bonuses) for all 4 races Just to be clear I would prefer this system to the current one but this might need to be considered
I would take out racial variants from basic frames
...suggesting that each light/medium/heavy basic frame have a standard, Advance and Prototype model. The basic frame would be unique to all the racial variants. To repeat and emphasize, you would skill Dropsuit command (Teir 1 on skill tree) then skill Basic Medium Frame (Teir 2 on skill tree) then skill racially assault/logistics (Teir 3 on skill tree).
BUT if you don't want to take out the racial basic suits, then yes, you would skill into basic frame once and get all basic racial suits
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Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:20:00 -
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I don't know if they would actually set up the Dropsuit Command tree the same way that they set up the Vehicle Command tree. I just noticed how it was "respec-proof" considering the future racial variants. I don't think it would be a bad thing if they did, but I wouldn't want them to sacrifice any depth for that. I don't really think it necessary if these are all the dropsuits except pilot suits.
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Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:25:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period.
I think the suits are a little more import than those other things listed and warrants a respec sooner. The suit skills really define a playstyle. We already have a player base size issue and after all the work people put into skilling a playstyle, if they are now unable to play that way for the months or YEARS until ALL weapons and other things are out, we might just lose them altogether to another game they actually want to play.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:31:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought. interesting. I also expect a full respec of all SP Possible skill tree layout: DropSuit Command Basic Light Frame Amarr Scout Caldari Scout Gallente Scout Minmitar Scout DropSuit Command Basic Medium Frame Amarr Assault Amarr Logistics Caldari Assault Caldari Logistics Gallente Assault Gallente Logistics Minmitar Assault Minmitar Logistics DropSuit Command Basic Heavy Frame Amarr Sentinal Amarr Commando Caldari Sentinal Caldari Commando Gallente Sentinal Gallente Commando Minmitar Sentinal Minmitar Commando (Edit: layout not working as intended but basically...Dropsuit Command then all three basic frame then after the basic frame, all racial varients)
GTFO with all that logic.... you're gonna make the servers blow up!
Common Sense and Logic are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
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Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:32:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec
The WHOLE point of this thread was that they future-proofed the Vehicle Command skill tree so that they WON'T have to offer another vehicle respec once the other racial variants are released, idiot. Additionally, I'd appriciate if loser, scammer, liar, douchebags like yourself didn't comment on my threads. Suck it, ass monkey.
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Forlorn Destrier
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2305
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period. Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec CCP needs to do it all at once, and then definitively say "no more". I sort of agree with you, but I can see CCP giving an infantry only respec with 1.8 and then say "no more." This is because all the racial dropsuits will be out, along with the four core racial rifles and CCP will deem that enough core content for infantry. And then for vehicles, they are all unlocked with a general skill instead of a specific racial skill so I can see them not offering a respec for those.
We won't have the racial heavy weapons though. You can't respec the weapons without heavy weapons being addressed. Which means you impact the suits as well (most likely). Needs to be done at once in my opinion.
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Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
211
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:45:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period.
I can agree with this. Once everything is out + Blanace = respec. After that NO MORE. I think it would only be fair but to be on the safe side im going to spec into Shield an Amror so CCP cant do be dirty.
1.7 HMG hotfix works great. Now for more Heavy suits or guns soonGäó
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Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
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Posted - 2014.01.09 20:52:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period. Once all vehicles come out vehicle respec CCP needs to do it all at once, and then definitively say "no more". I sort of agree with you, but I can see CCP giving an infantry only respec with 1.8 and then say "no more." This is because all the racial dropsuits will be out, along with the four core racial rifles and CCP will deem that enough core content for infantry. And then for vehicles, they are all unlocked with a general skill instead of a specific racial skill so I can see them not offering a respec for those. We won't have the racial heavy weapons though. You can't respec the weapons without heavy weapons being addressed. Which means you impact the suits as well (most likely). Needs to be done at once in my opinion.
While I agree that weapons are important, I don't think they are as important as the suits for affecting overall playstyle. I think it would be very easy once all weapons are released, to just offer a weapon only respec or something at this point. To a degree, many of the weapons can be used on many different suits and with many different playstyles. I have a feeling that it will be quite a while until we see "all" weapons, if that process even ever actually ends. I don't want to lose players whose playstyles are being removed and don't want to wait forever for CCP to finish the game to get that back. Also, I don't think the release of new weapons would be a good enough reason for a respec; however, changing all existing weapons to operate differently, like they are doing with the suits right now, would be a good reason.
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SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:07:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:[Skill tree idea]
I think I'd follow more of the ADS model.
Basic Frame (all races) Specialist Frame (all races) Racial Specialization
So skilling for a minmatar logistics suit would look like:
Basic med frame lvl3 (unlocks all medium frames, no bonus) Logistics suits (unlocks all logistics suits, grants logistics suit bonus per level) Minmatar logistics suits (no unlocks, grants minmatar logistics suit bonus)
Dropship Specialist
Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2
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Agrios Endendros
Single Serving Friends
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:35:00 -
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I don't think the skills from the actual non-basic suits will go away. Perhaps:
Dopsuit Command >
Basic Heavy Dropsuits >
Basic Light Dropsuits >
Basic Medium Dropsuits >
Basic Heavy Dropsuits >
Amarr Commando
Amarr Sentinel
Caldari Commando
Caldari Sentinel
Galentte Commando
Galentte Sentinel
Minmatar Commando
Minmatar Sentinel
Basic Light Dropsuits >
Amarr Pilot
Amarr Scout
Caldari Pilot
Caldari Scout
Galentte Pilot
Galentte Scout
Minmatar Pilot
Minmatar Scout
Basic Medium Dropsuits > Amarr Assault
Amarr Logistics
Caldari Assault
Caldari Logistics
Galentte Assault
Galentte Logistics
Minmatar Assault
Minmatar Logistics
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The Attorney General
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:40:00 -
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Forlorn Destrier wrote:There won't be a full respec until all racial suits AND weapons AND vehicles are released. Silly to ask for one before them. Once these are out - a one time respect for all players, and then no more respecs, period.
I don't see why there needs to be a vehicle respec again. The tree has been sorted out enough that anything new can be added, without real issue. Unless they make big changes, consider your vehicle skills locked in.
Infantry trees can be reset in the same way. I personally don't see how you can reasonably say that someones decisions don't flow from their dropsuit, so making changes there, both in bonus and stats, requires a refund of all the subsequent skills. So the likely result is getting Dropsuit Command, Dropsuit Upgrades, and Weaponry all reset. The only remaining point is when CCP does this. Hopefully they release all the suits, the cloak and the whatever weapons they have on deck in a single go. It can't come out in drips and drabs followed by a respec.
After that, everything better be future proof, and we can drop all the respec talk forever.
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Tebu Gan
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.09 21:59:00 -
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Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought.
Interesting thought!
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Flint Beastgood III
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.09 22:03:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:Agrios Endendros wrote:Something occurred to me, and I may be wrong, but I noticed something that made me think CCP might be planning on a one time mass respec after these new suits drop. When they redesigned the vehicle tree many, including myself, found it odd that you don't have to spec into Caldari or Galentte individually, but just into HAVs, dropships, or LAVs. However, if you wanted to offer a one time large scale respec after you drop the new suits but not again when you drop the new racial vehicles, this makes perfect sense. That way, months from now, when the new Amarr and Minmatar Tanks , or whatever, come out, noone needs to cry for a respec. Just a thought. interesting. I also expect a full respec of all SP Possible skill tree layout: DropSuit Command Basic Light Frame Amarr Scout Caldari Scout Gallente Scout Minmitar Scout DropSuit Command Basic Medium Frame Amarr Assault Amarr Logistics Caldari Assault Caldari Logistics Gallente Assault Gallente Logistics Minmitar Assault Minmitar Logistics DropSuit Command Basic Heavy Frame Amarr Sentinal Amarr Commando Caldari Sentinal Caldari Commando Gallente Sentinal Gallente Commando Minmitar Sentinal Minmitar Commando (Edit: layout not working as intended but basically...Dropsuit Command then all three basic frame then after the basic frame, all racial varients)
This is what I keep saying and I pray that CCP actually implement this change to the dropsuit command tree. It makes sense CCP, do it.
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