DUST Search - Vehicle Recalls

Assault Chileanme wrote:

I know there is plenty of discussion about vehicles at the moment, but shouldn't some attention be paid to recalls in the grand debate? The whole idea of a recall, especially an instantaneous one eliminates a lot of the balancing features associated with the vehicles.

Active Modules on cooldown? - Recall
Running low on ammo? - Recall
Low on health? - Recall
Don't want to risk losing your baby anymore? - Recall

Recalling a vehicle comes with zero risk which means that calling in a vehicle comes with greatly reduces permanent risk since that investment can be put back in the bank at a moments notice. I'm not an expert but perhaps a few of the following could help the issue or at least get some talk going.

Only allow a recall at a supply depot - This is exactly to how dropsuits work since they can not change out of that expensive proto suit investment unless they run up to a friendly supply depot and change suits. (This might also have the added bonus of pilots caring about supply depots rather than wanting to destroy them constantly)
Require an RDV to come down and pick up the vehicle and then carry it off into the sky, similar to the initial vehicle deployment. - This would introduce a little bit of risk into recalling and give the AV a chance to shoot it down.
Not allow recalls unless the vehicle is at full health with all modules off of cooldown.
Charge a fee for each recall (could be based on the total vehicle price) - Would probably have to be a pretty steep fee or it would become a non-issue.
Simply create a 5 or 10 second timer that counts down to recall once initiated.
The simplest, most crude, and probably least fair would be to just eliminate recalls all together.

Again I'm not much into tanking and gave up on AV long ago, so I would welcome any constructive feedback on this topic. These are just my thoughts as a lowly infantryman.


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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 454	Posted - 2014.01.08 21:16:00 - [1] - Quote Assault Chileanme wrote: I know there is plenty of discussion about vehicles at the moment, but shouldn't some attention be paid to recalls in the grand debate? The whole idea of a recall, especially an instantaneous one eliminates a lot of the balancing features associated with the vehicles. Active Modules on cooldown? - Recall Running low on ammo? - Recall Low on health? - Recall Don't want to risk losing your baby anymore? - Recall Recalling a vehicle comes with zero risk which means that calling in a vehicle comes with greatly reduces permanent risk since that investment can be put back in the bank at a moments notice. I'm not an expert but perhaps a few of the following could help the issue or at least get some talk going. Only allow a recall at a supply depot - This is exactly to how dropsuits work since they can not change out of that expensive proto suit investment unless they run up to a friendly supply depot and change suits. (This might also have the added bonus of pilots caring about supply depots rather than wanting to destroy them constantly) Require an RDV to come down and pick up the vehicle and then carry it off into the sky, similar to the initial vehicle deployment. - This would introduce a little bit of risk into recalling and give the AV a chance to shoot it down. Not allow recalls unless the vehicle is at full health with all modules off of cooldown. Charge a fee for each recall (could be based on the total vehicle price) - Would probably have to be a pretty steep fee or it would become a non-issue. Simply create a 5 or 10 second timer that counts down to recall once initiated. The simplest, most crude, and probably least fair would be to just eliminate recalls all together. Again I'm not much into tanking and gave up on AV long ago, so I would welcome any constructive feedback on this topic. These are just my thoughts as a lowly infantryman. The first two points are kind of absurd. Here's a set of questions for you to answer: 1. Did you know the recall turnaround is about 15 seconds?( you actually have to wait for the time it would take an RDV to come down, attach and carry it off I timed it by dismissing a vehicle as someone else called one in) That's about half the militia cooldown, then you got to call it back for another 15 seconds. It's not really that much shorter, and gives away the position of the tank. 2. What do you do if ALL of the supply depots are destroyed on the battlefield? Had this happen in about 20 games yesterday, including the ones in the redline on both sides. 3. If the tank is burning I can see that being a hazard, yes, that one sounds logical. But with repairs as they are anymore they don't really burn for that long unless you didn't have a repair module... in which case the tank deserves not to be recalled. 4. Fourth one is just you whining about something. a¦á_a¦á You're going to have to be much more clear than that. Now to address your suggestions: 1. Again supply depot question. 2. This is already what they said they were designing, kind of amazes me how blind some people are. 3. And what do you do with a glass cannon that doesn't have a repair module and is sitting with 1 armor taken off of it? (hint most logistics don't bother healing tanks, and most tank drivers don't carry repair tools) Now, What do you do? 4. AND 6. Be prepared to borkbarrel these effects onto your dropsuits as well. They would never pass anyways because they're not solutions, they're ideas of "how can I screw the other people over?". Kind of like say... suggesting to charge a fee every time someone reloads their handheld weapon? Or preventing dropsuit units from being able to restock any ammo without the help of a supply depot (bye bye nanohive). Do either of those sound like a viable, or reasonable penalty? (if this 'suggestion" set sounds outlandish, take a look at the first of the four above, cause it's exactly the same thing otherwise) 5 seems like an actual option, but the RDV recalls are underway. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming