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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:17:00 -
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1) I actually like MOST of the Logistics changes. While I'm not a fan of the 'nerf', it plays well with the lore and mechanics of EVE. For example, the Gallente in EVE are dual-tanking (Dunno why they're Armor in DUST) E-War masters. Much of their equipment and ships focus on scanning and not being scanned. The bonus to Active Scanners amplify this, HOWEVER I'll make a point later on. The Minmatar, also have ships better suited for Logistics (From what I understand), so a Repair Tool bonus isn't completely illogical. I'll say though, that a bonus only applying to one module is only semi-useful when you have more than one module. My proposal:
Minmatar: Bonus to ALL Triage Equipment (Repair Tools, Injectors, and Shield Reppers when they come out)
Gallente: Bonus to ALL E-War Equipment (Active Scanner, and the SoonTM HUD Jammer, and Webifier)
Amarr: Bonus to ALL Rally Equipment (Drop Uplinks, and any other things that come out soon that help rallying)
Caldari: Bonus to ALL In-Direct Support Equipment* (Nanohives, anything else that meets the reqs)
*In-Direct support, I mean things that help teammates, but only if the teammate knows how to use it. For example, you can give someone ammunition, but if it matters or not depends on their aim. If someone else can think of things (Even if not released) that the Amarr/Caldari use, be my guest.
Assault Bonuses: I like them. I'll point it out though that in EVE, the Amarr invented the Armor Repairer, so that probably has something to do with it.
Commando Bonuses: VERY nice. :D
Scout Bonuses: None? D:
Sentinel Bonuses: Great! It'll actually act like a defensive class now! +1
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:32:00 -
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Actually, the Minmatar Assault SHOULD have a speed bonus. OR, how about this:
Shield Recharge Delay bonus.
This will promote the use of hit-and-run tactics. Something the Minmatar SHOULD excel in. Look at the MInmatar Scout. If I get shot in one, then without ANY modules, my Shield is back up in 2 seconds flat. This makes it an excellent "get-in, kill, get-out" fit.
@Fox, he meant there needs to be something like a Gallente Mass Driver, or a Caldari Shotgun, so that you can have different weapons on different suits without gimping yourself. Personally, that limitation makes it much better. Being able to fit any weapon on any Commando and STILL have that bonus would make choice of race completely obsolete. Get a Caldari, get a Shotgun, no reason to go Gallente. Get a Gallente, get a G-Sniper RIfle, no reason to go Caldari. See what I'm saying here?
That being said, can't wait for the lolCommandoSnipers.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:56:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:And to my knowledge, Gallie ships are armour tanked, not hybrid tanked. If anything they have the strongest structure efp, and we all know real men(tm) hull tank.
They're Dual-Tanked AND have the most Hull. The Algos, for example, has 5 highs and 3 lows. The Vexor is 5/5/5, and just generally don't LEAN towards Armor Tanking on most of their ships However, i'm not going to say that they don't have Armor Tanking ships. It's just that most of their ships are either dual-tanked or slightly leaning towards shield, but not as heavily as Caldari.
What I think they should do to solve 50% of their problems, is increase SP payouts, and decrease suit SP cost. It doesn't cost anywhere near 1 million SP to max out Frigates, Destroyers, and Cruisers. I maxed out Hybrid Weaponry, Frigates, Drones, and I have level IV in Destroyers, and I only have around ~500k SP. It shouldn't be a grind to get new stuff. However, with that change, they should add in real-time skill training. If anything, it makes EVE players more at home, and it also gives DUST players a reason to stay. I'd play the game a lot more if I had to wait for a skill to train, just because it'd be something to look forward to. Also add a training queue, and all that stuff. Generally make skills work more like EVE.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 15:59:00 -
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Marlin Kirby wrote:Caldari assault got super nerfed.....again.
Caldari Assault didn't get nerfed, it's bonus (Since 1.3) has always been 5% to Shield Extenders. :P
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:15:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:Really?? I have never, never seen a dual-tank Gallie ship. The Algos is a bit too new for me, but the others I'm more familiar with. Lows get tank and magnet fields and/or TE for dps, and mids get mwd/ab, point, web, and maybe ewar. Where are some fits you've seen with dual tank, like on kb or such? (I don't mean to expose your Eve Online alliance, I just want to see the fits.) I took a quick look at fits on battleclinic, and every random one I brought up was like what I described.
makes me want to whip out efit and build me a dual tank brutix. :D
Oops. I forgot that Med Slots are used for Shield Tanking, not the High Slots. #dustderp
I'm insanely new to EVE (Or at least this account is. I've played many trials. First time purchasing), so no alliance. Started around 4 days ago, but progressing very quickly. Did a WH run the other day (Had to leave because a Stratios hopped in. Estimated price for what I got done was around 60 mil, would've been 450 mil for the entire run, had I not had to leave), and I'm already skilling up Gallente Cruisers to Level III. Should be done by now, so make that Battlecruisers Level I. 
Annnyways, yup. You have to give up Gallente E-War Powah to do it, but with the right skills and fit, you can dual-tank most Gallente Ships. Again, Algos = 5/3/3, Vexor is 5/5/5, and Velator = 3/3/3 or something similar. I'm not familiar with some of the bigger ships, but when I get back online I'll give a couple examples.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:17:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:1) I actually like MOST of the Logistics changes. While I'm not a fan of the 'nerf', it plays well with the lore and mechanics of EVE. For example, the Gallente in EVE are dual-tanking (Dunno why they're Armor in DUST) E-War masters. Much of their equipment and ships focus on scanning and not being scanned. The bonus to Active Scanners amplify this, HOWEVER I'll make a point later on. The Minmatar, also have ships better suited for Logistics (From what I understand), so a Repair Tool bonus isn't completely illogical. I'll say though, that a bonus only applying to one module is only semi-useful when you have more than one module. My proposal:
Minmatar: Bonus to ALL Triage Equipment (Repair Tools, Injectors, and Shield Reppers when they come out)
Gallente: Bonus to ALL E-War Equipment (Active Scanner, and the SoonTM HUD Jammer, and Webifier)
Amarr: Bonus to ALL Rally Equipment (Drop Uplinks, and any other things that come out soon that help rallying)
Caldari: Bonus to ALL In-Direct Support Equipment* (Nanohives, anything else that meets the reqs)
*In-Direct support, I mean things that help teammates, but only if the teammate knows how to use it. For example, you can give someone ammunition, but if it matters or not depends on their aim. If someone else can think of things (Even if not released) that the Amarr/Caldari use, be my guest.
I feel like my first post here is being forgotten...
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:02:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:Artificer Ghost wrote:Artificer Ghost wrote:Gallente: Bonus to ALL E-War Equipment (Active Scanner, and the SoonTM HUD Jammer, and Webifier) I feel like my first post here is being forgotten... I don't know about all the others, but I'm not a fan of this. I prefer the Eve Online way in which each race has an ewar they specialize.
Right. Maybe only Scanning E-War then, such as Scan Cloaking (Personal AoE Profile Dampener) or Team Scanners? Something that makes the G-Logi useful outside of a squad. Now, it's basically a personal scout-finder. I'm not saying the Active Scanner is useless outside of a squad, but it sure isn't hitting it's full potential.
@Fox, I stand corrected then. I'm not familiar with what the Minmatar Logistics ships do, I just assumed that they mostly repaired armor. I should really get into the other races once I get my Battleships. I think Caldari is next. Either that or Minmatar, but I'm not a fan of speed tanking in EVE (Dat MWD doe).
As for the dual-tanking, I guess it's Armor then. I just always thought that because of the balanced based stats and the balanced slot count... I didn't really consider that the Med Slot count was for E-War equipment.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:01:00 -
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Ankbar Latrommi wrote:Did you start with Gallente?
I much prefer Stealth Tanking and E-War over any other type of tanking, and armor is a close second, so Gallente was the pretty obvious choice to go. Shield Tanking is probably more viable in EVE, but in DUST, if I'm not carrying around 5 Armor Plates, I feel naked.
I'm mostly doing PvE at the moment, but soon I'm planning on moving into Low-Sec to do Exploration and find some higher-tier Wormholes, at which point I'll need to get myself acquainted with basic PvP. Either that, or learn to GTFO if I need to. I can probably fit a 1MN MWD and use the "Keep At Range: 20km" to stop from being Warp Disrupted.
Anyways, /re-rail
EDIT: Danke, for all the other knowledge though.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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