DUST Search - A Rate of Fire bonus will definitely break the game.

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote:

Keri I REALLY respect you because you are ONE of those who care about the integrity of the game or any game for that matter and it seems like you have high standards .

We already DON'T aim , have weapons that it seems with all of this talk .. that wont get the reduction to their DPS that is needed for balance ( in fact they are giving damage bonuses to high DPS weapons ) , no consistency in the suits or their specific roles , with the TTK issue I see that's just like beating a dead horse because CCP is just so set in their ways that they seem to not care about those who play the game and their thoughts .. favoring their precious lore over any since of logic and reason believing that they have something that's just too hard for someone to let go , simple case of inflated egos .

I'm just starting not to even care anymore because once someone just doesn't value your opinion .. I mean what's left ..??.. that with in it's self is a sign of disrespect in showing one that their thoughts are not valued .

These changes are the EXACT opposite of what IS needed but what does the community knows ..???.. so it seems that CCP believes .

GOOD ENOUGH TO TEST BUT NOT TO sponge OFF THE FEEDBACK .

Enjoy the instakills folks because that means YOU will die that much easier too .

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Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2506	Posted - 2014.01.07 23:59:00 - [1] - Quote I'm an Assault and I don't want this to happen. Please, don't do this to DUST. It's going to be so unbalanced... I realize that our Assautl Suits absolutely suck right now, but this is going to bring an immense unbalance into the game. This is going to be to make Assault unbalanced against all the other classes, a ROF increase should never ever happen. Please don't make DUST another cheap game with ROF bonuses, we have damage mods already and they are hated by many people. Making the ROF bonus tied to specific classes... this is going to be so broken... We need skill to count in gunfights, not ROF and DMG bonuses. I guess you don't realize how much you're invalidating the "shooter" purpose of DUST by putting so much emphasis on these elements. Not to mention that TTK is low already, this will destroy the game once for all. Please, don't. CCP, please don't. You are going to give the finishing blow to this game and you will lose people, starting from myself. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 322	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:25:00 - [2] - Quote this will also mess up my ACR I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3442	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:26:00 - [3] - Quote #magiccrystalball We used to have a time machine
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3173	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:32:00 - [4] - Quote But think of the Swarms... Also, what if this bonus only effected non-automatic weapons? Would that fix things? (Also, the bonus is not final yet) CoD -----> <----- WoT Please AR and Tank scrubs, go to your respective games. Leave DUST alone!
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven 2508	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:35:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: But think of the Swarms... Also, what if this bonus only effected non-automatic weapons? Would that fix things? (Also, the bonus is not final yet) I really hope it's not final, because it's so blatantly OP it's not even funny. No, automatic, semiautomatic, single shot, it doesn't matter. ROF bonuses should never ever exist in a "shooter" game willing to preserve some sort of SKILL and balance in gunfights. Damage boosts (modules and skills) are already broken. This would definitely destroy the game. 100% Achura "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
Kharga Lum Xeno Labs Security 212	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:36:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: But think of the Swarms... Also, what if this bonus only effected non-automatic weapons? Would that fix things? (Also, the bonus is not final yet) Just use an auto fire control. Everything is fully automatic.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1489	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:36:00 - [7] - Quote I'm gonna point out a little something, this ROF bonus is only a bonus if you have greater than 50% accuracy, otherwise its a hinderence. A ROF bonus encourages more skill with aiming, because if you're not hitting your target your just wasting 10% more bullets than before. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
21yrOld Knight Pradox One Proficiency V. 458	Posted - 2014.01.08 00:53:00 - [8] - Quote a 8% or 6% ( i don't know if they are giving the bonus to militia suits ) increases at proto level doesn't seem that big. Dust bunny! I prefer the term meta-gaming bad a** with a slight hint of the person Samuel L. Jackson wanted to be.
Divu Aakmin Crimson Saints 44	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:02:00 - [9] - Quote +1 bump. ROF bad idea. Make hps better for healing items and ehp higher and you will see medics. Right now DPS > then anything and it was increased a bit more... ROF is perhaps the most severe buff as this is calculated after modules and proficiency. In other words two complex mods and prof 5 = 146.6% base dmg roughly. People said ttk was too low and now it is 15% less... Where was this announced?
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1476	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:03:00 - [10] - Quote GIVE ME LIBNK Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 311	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:10:00 - [11] - Quote Keri I REALLY respect you because you are ONE of those who care about the integrity of the game or any game for that matter and it seems like you have high standards . We already DON'T aim , have weapons that it seems with all of this talk .. that wont get the reduction to their DPS that is needed for balance ( in fact they are giving damage bonuses to high DPS weapons ) , no consistency in the suits or their specific roles , with the TTK issue I see that's just like beating a dead horse because CCP is just so set in their ways that they seem to not care about those who play the game and their thoughts .. favoring their precious lore over any since of logic and reason believing that they have something that's just too hard for someone to let go , simple case of inflated egos . I'm just starting not to even care anymore because once someone just doesn't value your opinion .. I mean what's left ..??.. that with in it's self is a sign of disrespect in showing one that their thoughts are not valued . These changes are the EXACT opposite of what IS needed but what does the community knows ..???.. so it seems that CCP believes . GOOD ENOUGH TO TEST BUT NOT TO sponge OFF THE FEEDBACK . Enjoy the instakills folks because that means YOU will die that much easier too . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 14	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:13:00 - [12] - Quote I agree entirely with the OP. Using my RR and CR is terrible enough the way it is right now, and how they rip through people. I cannot imagine after the ROF increase. Also for CQC Duvolle is just gonna tear through people. Hope everyone starts carrying a scanner, cause with enhanced ROF, you're going to need one. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
Auris Lionesse SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 47	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:13:00 - [13] - Quote What's the gallente bonus?
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI 14	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:16:00 - [14] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: What's the gallente bonus? Gallente Assault Bonus: +5% to HP bonus of armor plate modules per level. Which most likely will be the continuation of immense armor tanking, only escalated to new levels. If Walking Is So Good For You, Then Why Does My Mailman Look Like Jabba The Hut?
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1415	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:21:00 - [15] - Quote Slow down, just because SISI says it now doesn't mean that it will be that way. They are reading our response right now and there is a good chance that the bonuses aren't correct. Lets all just take a deep breath, step back and chill out for a minute. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3759	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:23:00 - [16] - Quote Kharga Lum wrote: Atiim wrote: But think of the Swarms... Also, what if this bonus only effected non-automatic weapons? Would that fix things? (Also, the bonus is not final yet) Just use an auto fire control. Everything is fully automatic. Sure not final. looks at new armor plates Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Divu Aakmin Crimson Saints 45	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:23:00 - [17] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: +1 bump. ROF bad idea. Make hps better for healing items and ehp higher and you will see medics. Right now DPS > then anything and it was increased a bit more... ROF is perhaps the most severe buff as this is calculated after modules and proficiency. In other words two complex mods and prof 5 = 146.6% base dmg roughly. People said ttk was too low and now it is 15% less... Where was this announced? Edit: Min bonus would make the damage 157%... current is 132% roughly with two complex mods. Min bonus makes 5% efficacy to dmg mods per level.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 311	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:40:00 - [18] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Slow down, just because SISI says it now doesn't mean that it will be that way. They are reading our response right now and there is a good chance that the bonuses aren't correct. Lets all just take a deep breath, step back and chill out for a minute. That would just mean " ALL SYSTEMS GO !!!! " and I for one would like to avoid a catastrophe if I can and not wait until these thoughts pass and begin the incessant QQing . If we sit around on our hands CCP will think that we approve of these thoughts , I mean look at the vehicles , EVERYONE just couldn't wait until the start of 1.7 after reading , most had nothing but praise until it started and so started the QQing about this and Nerf that . If that can be avoided now then now is the time to act . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
mollerz Minja Scouts 1631	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:40:00 - [19] - Quote Meanwhile, scout speeds are bordering on game breaking You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1306	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:45:00 - [20] - Quote Divu Aakmin wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: +1 bump. ROF bad idea. Make hps better for healing items and ehp higher and you will see medics. Right now DPS > then anything and it was increased a bit more... ROF is perhaps the most severe buff as this is calculated after modules and proficiency. In other words two complex mods and prof 5 = 146.6% base dmg roughly. People said ttk was too low and now it is 15% less... Where was this announced? Edit: Min bonus would make the damage 157%... current is 132% roughly with two complex mods. Min bonus makes 5% efficacy to dmg mods per level. Six Kin Combat Rifles will be capable of killing most protosuits in >0.85 seconds. That is rediculous. Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // Hello, world!

Aero Yassavi Yassavi House 4403	Posted - 2014.01.08 01:57:00 - [21] - Quote Actually, I disagree. Assaults will be dishing out damage faster than other suits. You call this unbalanced. I call it common sense. They are assaults, that's what they do. Logis get 25% reduction of equipment costs. You ever try the Gallente Logistics with that bonus? It's incredibly helpful. They won't be as strong in combat as the assaults, but why should they? They are the equipment people. Sentinels are getting damage resistance to gunfire. This doesn't only increase their EHP, but it also increases their ERR (estimated repair rate). This will make sentinels finally a class that can sit there and clog a choke point and such, especially with repair hives or a repair tool repping him Commandos are getting the highest damage damage per shot. This makes them sort of like the Assaults, but not quite. Assaults have a high rate of fire to give them more DPS, but this also means they will be running out of ammo more often. A Commando gets more DPS from bullet damage, not taking up as much ammo. Meanwhile, he gets two light weapons. So a With addition of the reload speed, Commandos will be better at constantly providing suppressing fire on the ever moving frontlines without needing to waste much time restocking ammo or reloading. And Scouts are going to get something special regarding the not-yet-released cloaking device, and who doesn't want that? They will really be able to fulfill their roles once that happens. It's actually looking quite good, though TTK may need to go up (but Assaults and Commandos still kill the fastest, but still takes longer) and something may need to be replaced for ROF for weapons like the Scrambler Rifle. It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's Super Amarr!
Tectonic Fusion 944	Posted - 2014.01.08 02:36:00 - [22] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Keri I REALLY respect you because you are ONE of those who care about the integrity of the game or any game for that matter and it seems like you have high standards . We already DON'T aim , have weapons that it seems with all of this talk .. that wont get the reduction to their DPS that is needed for balance ( in fact they are giving damage bonuses to high DPS weapons ) , no consistency in the suits or their specific roles , with the TTK issue I see that's just like beating a dead horse because CCP is just so set in their ways that they seem to not care about those who play the game and their thoughts .. favoring their precious lore over any since of logic and reason believing that they have something that's just too hard for someone to let go , simple case of inflated egos . I'm just starting not to even care anymore because once someone just doesn't value your opinion .. I mean what's left ..??.. that with in it's self is a sign of disrespect in showing one that their thoughts are not valued . These changes are the EXACT opposite of what IS needed but what does the community knows ..???.. so it seems that CCP believes . GOOD ENOUGH TO TEST BUT NOT TO sponge OFF THE FEEDBACK . Enjoy the instakills folks because that means YOU will die that much easier too . You don't aim... ... ... ... Noob. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1417	Posted - 2014.01.08 04:15:00 - [23] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Slow down, just because SISI says it now doesn't mean that it will be that way. They are reading our response right now and there is a good chance that the bonuses aren't correct. Lets all just take a deep breath, step back and chill out for a minute. That would just mean " ALL SYSTEMS GO !!!! " and I for one would like to avoid a catastrophe if I can and not wait until these thoughts pass and begin the incessant QQing . If we sit around on our hands CCP will think that we approve of these thoughts , I mean look at the vehicles , EVERYONE just couldn't wait until the start of 1.7 after reading , most had nothing but praise until it started and so started the QQing about this and Nerf that . If that can be avoided now then now is the time to act . I am not saying don't discuss the suit changes listed on SISI but I am saying that they aren't CCP certified incoming content. We need to to discuss these suits but they aren't set in stone so all the game breaking talk is premature. When they release notes or ask for suggestions we should then start talking seriously about them but as of right now it is all speculation about an item that has a description on a test server. Yes, things do come from SISI but they often change a few times before they go live and then change again on the first patch afterward. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Talos Vagheitan Ancient Exiles. 383	Posted - 2014.01.08 12:39:00 - [24] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm an Assault and I don't want this to happen. Please, don't do this to DUST. It's going to be so unbalanced... I realize that our Assautl Suits absolutely suck right now, but this is going to bring an immense unbalance into the game. This is going to be to make Assault unbalanced against all the other classes, a ROF increase should never ever happen. Please don't make DUST another cheap game with ROF bonuses, we have damage mods already and they are hated by many people. Making the ROF bonus tied to specific classes... this is going to be so broken... We need skill to count in gunfights, not ROF and DMG bonuses. I guess you don't realize how much you're invalidating the "shooter" purpose of DUST by putting so much emphasis on these elements. Not to mention that TTK is low already, this will destroy the game once for all. Please, don't. CCP, please don't. You are going to give the finishing blow to this game and you will lose people, starting from myself. Please, feel free to panic jump to conclusions here. Who cares what some sniper has to say
Draco Cerberus BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 661	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:45:00 - [25] - Quote Don't take 25% of my equipment slots away, I already don't have enough of them and need to make 3 suits to deploy all my equipment I want on the field at proto level. LogiGod earns his pips
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 255	Posted - 2014.01.08 13:54:00 - [26] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm an Assault and I don't want this to happen. Please, don't do this to DUST. It's going to be so unbalanced... I realize that our Assautl Suits absolutely suck right now, but this is going to bring an immense unbalance into the game. This is going to be to make Assault unbalanced against all the other classes, a ROF increase should never ever happen. Please don't make DUST another cheap game with ROF bonuses, we have damage mods already and they are hated by many people. Making the ROF bonus tied to specific classes... this is going to be so broken... We need skill to count in gunfights, not ROF and DMG bonuses. I guess you don't realize how much you're invalidating the "shooter" purpose of DUST by putting so much emphasis on these elements. Not to mention that TTK is low already, this will destroy the game once for all. Please, don't. CCP, please don't. You are going to give the finishing blow to this game and you will lose people, starting from myself. Yes. CR will become even more OP than before. RR will lost his only disadvantage. AR will become an Balac but at ADV level...... SCR : Well the bonus does'not have ANY EFFECT on it. And it lose his bonus about heat so it iwll become trash. It's a nerf to him AND a buff for the others weapons. While SCR already takes twice more pG than the others weapon. (Come on 11PG at STD level WHAT THE HELL ?)
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 271	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:07:00 - [27] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: Divu Aakmin wrote: +1 bump. ROF bad idea. Make hps better for healing items and ehp higher and you will see medics. Right now DPS > then anything and it was increased a bit more... ROF is perhaps the most severe buff as this is calculated after modules and proficiency. In other words two complex mods and prof 5 = 146.6% base dmg roughly. People said ttk was too low and now it is 15% less... Where was this announced? Edit: Min bonus would make the damage 157%... current is 132% roughly with two complex mods. Min bonus makes 5% efficacy to dmg mods per level. Six Kin Combat Rifles will be capable of killing most protosuits in >0.85 seconds. That is rediculous. Edit: >0.5 seconds with A DPS of 1271, I though they did less damage per bullet. Even more ridiculous. Edit 2: The Sequel: I know what I'm speccing into if we get a respec. You know what makes this worse, CCP has know from it past about people using modded controllers. I even tried it, I made a burst rifle fully auto, no delay. Cant image some of these weapons would be like now. Perhaps another test would be in order soon :) . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 34 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 324	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:48:00 - [28] - Quote Tectonic Fusion wrote: You don't aim... ... ... ... Noob. I have to aim , I am a sniper so that's mandatory unlike most on this game . I think that I have sniped you before if I'm correct but I could be wrong , I am getting older so my memory sometimes leave me at moments . Even with scopes on the RR and the CR that are OP might I add , you don't even have to aim just hip fire kill players , which I have seen many do on occasion . Most people while strafing don't aim either , they hip fire and the bullets magically find their target even if the person is running or moving up an incline . Everyone knows that players don't have to aim to kill on this game , don't have to aim , compensate for distance or movement changes , the gun follows you if it's in your range . You must have not see the YouTube video about that . I couldn't believe it when I seen it . If anyone is a noob it's CCP with such cheap tactics and making this game a skill less , skill needed game . That within it's self is a contradiction . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 324	Posted - 2014.01.08 14:59:00 - [29] - Quote I don't think that those who are speaking out are panicking at all . This actually saves CCP the trouble of having a roundtable with the community ( right before they implement the changes ) and gives them a heads up about how most feel about what is already on the table . Those who don't speak up are at fault for not letting their voices herd because you are just semi approving what you see that you already know from past experience that could be placed in game . The CPM's said that they didn't know some of these things and they are suppose to the OUR inside voice , so what does that let you know ??? If they could be placed outside the loop then so can we and we aren't privy to the knowledge that they have . This saves them the trouble and also helps them to understand that , " We as the community play and test this game right now , we should be able to see the input from what we find implemented into the game ." Yes they are the creators and the DEV's but in order to have success , we ( the community ) must be considered part of that team and our voices must be respected and considered valued . Right now that can not be said . Future Caldari Heavy so watch out for this Sumo Shinobi with a Caldari HMG .


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