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JARREL THOMAS
Dead Man's Game
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:25:00 -
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Atom Heart Mother wrote:Cmooooon....ITS NOT THE TANKS TO NEED A NERF, ITS THE AV THAT NEEDS A BUFF. -_- so ur telling me that a 75,000 isk monster (less than most protos) is fair hmmm HMMMM!!!
Caldari Loyalist
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1893
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:47:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Atom Heart Mother wrote:Cmooooon....ITS NOT THE TANKS TO NEED A NERF, ITS THE AV THAT NEEDS A BUFF. -_- so ur telling me that a 75,000 isk monster (less than most protos) is fair hmmm HMMMM!!! AV getting buffed would actually be good. Lesser tanks would die faster, and be less appealing.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1505
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Posted - 2014.01.08 12:49:00 -
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That's all you will see, Std Tanks, Stanks Everywhere
Tanks 514
I told you, I bloody well told you.
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
1477
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Posted - 2014.01.08 13:08:00 -
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well, we will likely see more STD tanks, but less tanks overall. It'll be similar to the LLAV epidemic where LAV spam dropped significantly; only hardcore tankers and the super-rich will be spamming tanks anymore...or at least, more than 1/battle.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Jason Pearson
3813
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Posted - 2014.01.08 14:05:00 -
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Pretty much.
I see a lot of Madrugars with Militia Turrets. People are just speccing straight into the tanks but not the turrets. It's not that, the damage difference between them is only important when fighting other tanks, against Infantry a Militia Blaster can do just as well as a Ion Cannon and when you look at the prices, an Ion Cannon is over 200k whereas the Militia Blasters are stupidly cheap. pluss we know how mad you proto guys get when we wipe you off the map with them, every thing o my tanks is complex but the turret unless i have an enemy tank causing me some problems then ill pull out the proto/complex madrugar
ARGHFFSAMILITIARAILGUNWOTTHEHELLNOWIMOUT500K!! Q_Q
King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire.
You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
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Atom Heart Mother
Nazionali Senza Filtro
109
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:20:00 -
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JARREL THOMAS wrote:Atom Heart Mother wrote:Cmooooon....ITS NOT THE TANKS TO NEED A NERF, ITS THE AV THAT NEEDS A BUFF. -_- so ur telling me that a 75,000 isk monster (less than most protos) is fair hmmm HMMMM!!!
I'm not saying that, the point is AV damage and range, which is now ridiculous, if you think that solution to the problem would be a raise in price that's not the real deal. I'm saying that matches would be pretty more balanced with at least a buff on swarms lock-on range if not damage as well. |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation
560
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Posted - 2014.01.08 16:33:00 -
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tank versus tank combat is more balanced..not talking infantry here... in either case im still able to solo kill tanks with av.. i just throw my 3 std av nades then shoot my entire clip of cbr7 swarm luancher as fast as possible.. kills most enemy mlt soma tanks easily.
about as same as how i used av before 1.7.
and i have taken on and beaten a bunch of mlt tank spammers with my own tank.. although i did have 2 guys with swarms and forgegun backing me up.
they stoped early own in that match. i think i had killed about 5 tanks and got an assist on 3-4 more. it was alot of warpoints.
the only tanks i have trouble taking out are std tanks. but they have a 30-40% advantage over me anyways.. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
982
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:06:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:
Seems completely sensible to me. I've said for awhile now that it's ridiculous that my 300k+ protosuits get eaten through in a few seconds because some scrub comes up to me with a blaster and two hardners that I couldn't kill quick enough even with a forge gun. Not always enough time to plant RE, even with other people using scanners with those speed glitches. I mean I've died to people who outside of a tank in a match end up going 1-10 but when they're in a scrub tank they end up going 28-0 because they rush around the field and are immune to about 90% of AV outside of turrets. Then we're all lucky if he dies once or twice and only has an expenditure of 120k while mine is about 550k. It's a bunch of BS. I can understand 100% if the guy is in a proto or near proto tank and kills me like that. He put in the time and skills to get it, more power to him.
you are descibing a situation where a MLT tanker rampages nonstop through the field being immune. That is exactly caused by having active modules, namely hardener, on too great portion of the time.
There's no denying if they would not have hardener available they could not do that.
what Harpyja said above about recalling to skip cooldown, there ofc is
A need for a simple fix: No recalling vehicles if any of it's modules is on cooldown.
Tank spam getting onto your nerves?
An improvement:
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
982
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:21:00 -
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Let's make it clear: I too recognise MLT tanks being too easy to use, and too effective compared to the investment.
But the method to tune them down should not to break every improvement achieved. Isk balancing should be the very last thing so no help there. SP balancing is a difficult one in order to not create too heavily tiered system.
The cooldown suggestion should be the first step.
Why? Because the same too short cooldowns also affect regular and veteran tankers, letting us/them roll even more than MLT. And that too short window of opportunity is half of the AV frustration.
After that, swarm buffs, tank speed nerfs, mlt module attributes etc can be looked at.
Tank spam getting onto your nerves?
An improvement:
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3451
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:56:00 -
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3 HAVs on a team isn't spam, dumbass.
That's the most I've been seeing.
We used to have a time machine
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3452
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Posted - 2014.01.08 17:57:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Yup. It'll probably take multiple months before CCP finally puts tanks back in order. Until then, run, hide, duck, and cover. It's about all you can do. Or have an ADS pilot wreck them from above. I'm an ADS pilot and all I can really do is make a tanker panic and waste their hardeners.
We used to have a time machine
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
715
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Posted - 2014.01.08 18:21:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Or is something else in the works to prevent tank spam?
Shhh Don't let the Great tankers see this. They'll try to convince you otherwise.
atm Can't take out Soma/Sica with Proto AV... Imagine Standards lol |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1916
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Posted - 2014.01.09 15:45:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Yup. It'll probably take multiple months before CCP finally puts tanks back in order. Until then, run, hide, duck, and cover. It's about all you can do. Or have an ADS pilot wreck them from above. I'm an ADS pilot and all I can really do is make a tanker panic and waste their hardeners. mot to mention most tanks will have a rail tank in the redline.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
724
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:49:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Yup. It'll probably take multiple months before CCP finally puts tanks back in order. Until then, run, hide, duck, and cover. It's about all you can do. Or have an ADS pilot wreck them from above. I'm an ADS pilot and all I can really do is make a tanker panic and waste their hardeners. mot to mention most tanks will have a rail tank in the redline.
Please discuss the main problem right now.. Not what's coming next |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
9819
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:53:00 -
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Well you actually have to skill into and spend ISK on standard tanks, so yea, that would cut it down quite a bit.
Assault Dropship Montage
Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
724
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Posted - 2014.01.09 16:59:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Well you actually have to skill into and spend ISK on standard tanks, so yea, that would cut it down quite a bit.
You have LP stores to get Turrets (Very Cost effective)
It doesn't take a lot of SP to spec into a Madrugar or a Gunlogi
Not very expensive tbh... |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
1922
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Posted - 2014.01.09 17:10:00 -
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NAV HIV wrote:Cody Sietz wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Yup. It'll probably take multiple months before CCP finally puts tanks back in order. Until then, run, hide, duck, and cover. It's about all you can do. Or have an ADS pilot wreck them from above. I'm an ADS pilot and all I can really do is make a tanker panic and waste their hardeners. mot to mention most tanks will have a rail tank in the redline. Please discuss the main problem right now.. Not what's coming next I'm not sure what you mean.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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