DUST Search - Tank's ammo needs to be more limited

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

lolno

With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker

Ammo limits are fine and are just about right

Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round

Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match!

The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care Roll

In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely.

I cant reach half the supply depots and need to be touching them to get ammo

Course your AR runs out, im in a tank with a massive cargohold you idiot, its 20x bigger than you are so its going to have more space

Taka, you have the same range as infantry with supply depots, so I don't understand your "touching them" argument.
Also, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it's broken balance wise it's broken.
The other option would be to reduce damage, ROF etc' to pre 1.7 numbers, because ammo is NOT a limiting factor for blasters and rails.

Taka, here are the rules to dealing with you.
If talking about tanks:
Overpowered = HOLYSHITBALLZOVERPOWERED
ok = Overpowered
Underpowered = ok

Depot up on the wall, my tank is next to the wall but i dont get any ammo even tho its 1m above my tank

Depot is up on a staircase, hav cant climb stairs

Reduce damage for what? rails is a large FG so lolno because it requires a tank to use and alot more PG/CPU, blaster is a large AR for AR514 so no not needed

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:35:00 - [1] - Quote I remember a while back CCP said that "With ammo limitations, we can now increase the turret's damage, range, fire rate and more because the engagement time will be shorter". Well, they did ONE part, but forgot the other. Ammo is far too plentiful on large turrets, I rarely resupply, maybe one time a match Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7533	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:36:00 - [2] - Quote INB4 shitstorm. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:37:00 - [3] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: INB4 shitstorm. Exactly what I thought when making this thread Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7533	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:38:00 - [4] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: INB4 shitstorm. Exactly what I thought when making this thread I knew that. [13:36:08] Cheshire Cat: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1688842#post1688842 [13:36:12] Cheshire Cat: Cheshire Cat prepares for the **** storm Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4387	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:41:00 - [5] - Quote When these two were in my railgun tank the other day, they needed refills for the small rails twice, but I never even went through half my ammo even while shooting constantly. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:43:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: When these two were in my railgun tank the other day, they needed refills for the small rails twice, but I never even went through half my ammo even while shooting constantly. Ah yes, the CheeseMobile! Triple rails are lulzy Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4387	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:49:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: When these two were in my railgun tank the other day, they needed refills for the small rails twice, but I never even went through half my ammo even while shooting constantly. Ah yes, the CheeseMobile! Triple rails are lulzy That they are. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2152	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:51:00 - [8] - Quote lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Intelligence is OP
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4387	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:52:00 - [9] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Honestly, the only turret that presents an issue is the Large Railgun. I've had to reload my Large Blaster several times a match while testing it, and while Large Missiles wreck armor tanked vehicles, their ammo is rather limited as well when their fire rate is taken into account. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 362	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:53:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: I remember a while back CCP said that "With ammo limitations, we can now increase the turret's damage, range, fire rate and more because the engagement time will be shorter". Well, they did ONE part, but forgot the other. Ammo is far too plentiful on large turrets, I rarely resupply, maybe one time a match Edit: I only used missile turrets twice, I am not sure how limiting ammo is on them. My experience comes from rails and blasters. Edit 2: Absolutely zero skills into large turrets, I don't have anything to increase my ammo reserve. Agreed, but first they need to have supply depots accessible in every map. Nuff Said

thomas mak STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 2	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:55:00 - [11] - Quote Missile is ok balance Rail have too much ammo for overall Blaster have too large clip and too much ammo Real tanker would get off their tank untill their tank blow up, although not much people can blow up their tank.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:56:00 - [12] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match! The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2152	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:00:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match! The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely. I cant reach half the supply depots and need to be touching them to get ammo Course your AR runs out, im in a tank with a massive cargohold you idiot, its 20x bigger than you are so its going to have more space Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:05:00 - [14] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match! The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely. I cant reach half the supply depots and need to be touching them to get ammo Course your AR runs out, im in a tank with a massive cargohold you idiot, its 20x bigger than you are so its going to have more space Taka, you have the same range as infantry with supply depots, so I don't understand your "touching them" argument. Also, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it's broken balance wise it's broken. The other option would be to reduce damage, ROF etc' to pre 1.7 numbers, because ammo is NOT a limiting factor for blasters and rails. Taka, here are the rules to dealing with you. If talking about tanks: Overpowered = HOLYSHITBALLZOVERPOWERED ok = Overpowered Underpowered = ok Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2152	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:12:00 - [15] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match! The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely. I cant reach half the supply depots and need to be touching them to get ammo Course your AR runs out, im in a tank with a massive cargohold you idiot, its 20x bigger than you are so its going to have more space Taka, you have the same range as infantry with supply depots, so I don't understand your "touching them" argument. Also, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it's broken balance wise it's broken. The other option would be to reduce damage, ROF etc' to pre 1.7 numbers, because ammo is NOT a limiting factor for blasters and rails. Taka, here are the rules to dealing with you. If talking about tanks: Overpowered = HOLYSHITBALLZOVERPOWERED ok = Overpowered Underpowered = ok Depot up on the wall, my tank is next to the wall but i dont get any ammo even tho its 1m above my tank Depot is up on a staircase, hav cant climb stairs Reduce damage for what? rails is a large FG so lolno because it requires a tank to use and alot more PG/CPU, blaster is a large AR for AR514 so no not needed Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:17:00 - [16] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno With my blaster tank i have to reload 2-3 times in a really good game, if they get redlined then no not as much but if i tank fight i go through it quicker Ammo limits are fine and are just about right Infantry cried for ammo limits and we have them and now infantry want an even bigger restriction, i dont think you will be happy until we have 1 round Boohooo, I have to resupply my tank 3 times a match! The fact that I see tanks destroying supply depots freely speaks volumes of how much they care In the time it takes you to run out of ONE blaster clip, my Assault Rifle runs out of ammo completely. I cant reach half the supply depots and need to be touching them to get ammo Course your AR runs out, im in a tank with a massive cargohold you idiot, its 20x bigger than you are so its going to have more space Taka, you have the same range as infantry with supply depots, so I don't understand your "touching them" argument. Also, it doesn't matter if it makes sense, if it's broken balance wise it's broken. The other option would be to reduce damage, ROF etc' to pre 1.7 numbers, because ammo is NOT a limiting factor for blasters and rails. Taka, here are the rules to dealing with you. If talking about tanks: Overpowered = HOLYSHITBALLZOVERPOWERED ok = Overpowered Underpowered = ok Depot up on the wall, my tank is next to the wall but i dont get any ammo even tho its 1m above my tank Depot is up on a staircase, hav cant climb stairs Reduce damage for what? rails is a large FG so lolno because it requires a tank to use and alot more PG/CPU, blaster is a large AR for AR514 so no not needed Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2366	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:25:00 - [17] - Quote Depot placement should be a separate discussion in the bugs forum. Its pretty clear they were not repositioned after vehicle ammo became a thing. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2152	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:25:00 - [18] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic Intelligence is OP
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:26:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic So... Tank 514 > AR514? Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2152	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:34:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic So... Tank 514 > AR514? Except its not Its DUST514 and it actually looks like a battle now like in the trailers Intelligence is OP

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5363	Posted - 2014.01.06 14:36:00 - [21] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic So... Tank 514 > AR514? Except its not Its DUST514 and it actually looks like a battle now like in the trailers To me it looks like 7 tanks on field and infantry hiding in little hidy holes while tanks play whack a mole. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
ANON Cerberus Tiny Toons 3	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:09:00 - [22] - Quote As a tanker I can agree that possibly there is room for tweaking in tank ammo stockpiles however I wouldn't say by too much. Maybe militia tanks and basic tanks should start off with 10-20% less ammo perhaps. The thing is I can't in good conscience agree to any tank ammo changes before we address the issue of supply depots. On some maps there are none that a HAV can get to. So you end up just having to call in a second tank.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 252	Posted - 2014.01.06 15:35:00 - [23] - Quote Reduce clip size of Railguns (small and large) and Blasters (large.) Reloading becomes important.
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 575	Posted - 2014.01.06 16:52:00 - [24] - Quote I thought there were supply depots at base spawn points that tanks could get to easy. - I have seen tankers speeding back to them after blowing up ones in the field Now if you are crying about placement in ambush matches - shame.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1817	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:09:00 - [25] - Quote Maybe ammo isn't the whole problem, but engagement window absolutely. I want tanks to be invincible with hardeners on and such...or I want tanks to be able to retreat quickly without them. But right now they're just able to sit there taking swarm after swarm, forge after forge for minutes at a time. Also, you should mention something about buffing the ammo packs while nerfing the ammo amount. If tanks want to have a larger engagement window they should have to use an ammo pack. I think right now they increase ammo by like 20% (that could be just the militia modules). Instead, the railgun ammo should be decreased to only 2-3 reloads (9 at the start, with 18-27 reserve ammo, half/a third as much as they do now). The ammo packs at basic level should then be something like 50% ammo increase, with prototype ones giving 100%. ARs only have like 3-4 reloads, don't see why tanks should have 6 (54 rounds). Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:33:00 - [26] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic So... Tank 514 > AR514? Except its not Its DUST514 and it actually looks like a battle now like in the trailers To me it looks like 7 tanks on field and infantry hiding in little hidy holes while tanks play whack a mole. Agreed! lol Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 363	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:34:00 - [27] - Quote Daxxis KANNAH wrote: I thought there were supply depots at base spawn points that tanks could get to easy. - I have seen tankers speeding back to them after blowing up ones in the field Now if you are crying about placement in ambush matches - shame. No, on some maps the redline depot is elevated or enclosed. Very much out of reach for a reload. Nuff Said
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2153	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:48:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Taka, depots are very stupid sometimes. Often I'm hugging it as infantry and yet it won't work. You're not the only one with these problems. Also, balancing, you're doing it wrong. Balance the depots Except because your against tanks because they ruin AR514 you ask for a nerf to a working mechanic So... Tank 514 > AR514? Except its not Its DUST514 and it actually looks like a battle now like in the trailers To me it looks like 7 tanks on field and infantry hiding in little hidy holes while tanks play whack a mole. Really? These days i mostly see 3 because i happen to get rid of the enemys Even if i play on an alt im seeing maybe only 3 tanks in total in each game Intelligence is OP
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3716	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:54:00 - [29] - Quote The recall feature also needs to be looked at, would make tankers less likely to destroy SDs if recalling activated a timer before you could call in a tank again or something, or perhaps making the recall take far more time is an option. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5368	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:30:00 - [30] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Maybe ammo isn't the whole problem, but engagement window absolutely. I want tanks to be invincible with hardeners on and such...or I want tanks to be able to retreat quickly without them. But right now they're just able to sit there taking swarm after swarm, forge after forge for minutes at a time. Also, you should mention something about buffing the ammo packs while nerfing the ammo amount. If tanks want to have a larger engagement window they should have to use an ammo pack. I think right now they increase ammo by like 20% (that could be just the militia modules). Instead, the railgun ammo should be decreased to only 2-3 reloads (9 at the start, with 18-27 reserve ammo, half/a third as much as they do now). The ammo packs at basic level should then be something like 50% ammo increase, with prototype ones giving 100%. ARs only have like 3-4 reloads, don't see why tanks should have 6 (54 rounds). They increase it by like 60% Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos



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