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Justicar Karnellia wrote:

Nitrobeacon wrote:

I agree with most parts, but to add to this, I don't think that cycling hardeners is a big issue. First of all, doing so in a Gunnlogi requires 3 hardeners, only one of which will be used out of the three, so a Gunnlogi who uses all of their modules instead of "cycling about 1 out of 3 high slots" will utterly destroy the cycling tank, so for Gunnlogies I don't recall this an issue.

Armor tankers only need 2 hardeners to cycle, but then again a guy who activates all hardeners has better survivability against another tank.

To be honest cycling is just a very risky move, you are vulnerable to tank to tank 1 v 1s as he likely used both his armor hardeners while you are using 1 out of 3/2

Also cycling adds to tactics of the gameplay, cycling is used when you need constant toughness, while 2 hardeners all tanked up is used for a more "I really need to take hits right now, there's two tanks over there". It makes one require a knowledge of the surroundings, and decide whether they need to take small hits via cycling or critical hits through dual hardening.

Hey there. Thanks for reading and for replying. It's true I have less experience in tank vs tank combat and the tanks I ran with the skills I had didn't permit 3 hardeners so your comments are completely valid. In the tank vs tank combat I image tactical usage of multiple hardeners might be warranted depending on your situation - I just wonder how this can be tweaked to be able to balance it out against infantry AV...


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Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.01.06 10:52:00 - [1] - Quote I agree with most parts, but to add to this, I don't think that cycling hardeners is a big issue. First of all, doing so in a Gunnlogi requires 3 hardeners, only one of which will be used out of the three, so a Gunnlogi who uses all of their modules instead of "cycling about 1 out of 3 high slots" will utterly destroy the cycling tank, so for Gunnlogies I don't recall this an issue. Armor tankers only need 2 hardeners to cycle, but then again a guy who activates all hardeners has better survivability against another tank. To be honest cycling is just a very risky move, you are vulnerable to tank to tank 1 v 1s as he likely used both his armor hardeners while you are using 1 out of 3/2 Also cycling adds to tactics of the gameplay, cycling is used when you need constant toughness, while 2 hardeners all tanked up is used for a more "I really need to take hits right now, there's two tanks over there". It makes one require a knowledge of the surroundings, and decide whether they need to take small hits via cycling or critical hits through dual hardening.
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 195	Posted - 2014.01.06 11:17:00 - [2] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: Nitrobeacon wrote: I agree with most parts, but to add to this, I don't think that cycling hardeners is a big issue. First of all, doing so in a Gunnlogi requires 3 hardeners, only one of which will be used out of the three, so a Gunnlogi who uses all of their modules instead of "cycling about 1 out of 3 high slots" will utterly destroy the cycling tank, so for Gunnlogies I don't recall this an issue. Armor tankers only need 2 hardeners to cycle, but then again a guy who activates all hardeners has better survivability against another tank. To be honest cycling is just a very risky move, you are vulnerable to tank to tank 1 v 1s as he likely used both his armor hardeners while you are using 1 out of 3/2 Also cycling adds to tactics of the gameplay, cycling is used when you need constant toughness, while 2 hardeners all tanked up is used for a more "I really need to take hits right now, there's two tanks over there". It makes one require a knowledge of the surroundings, and decide whether they need to take small hits via cycling or critical hits through dual hardening. Hey there. Thanks for reading and for replying. It's true I have less experience in tank vs tank combat and the tanks I ran with the skills I had didn't permit 3 hardeners so your comments are completely valid. In the tank vs tank combat I image tactical usage of multiple hardeners might be warranted depending on your situation - I just wonder how this can be tweaked to be able to balance it out against infantry AV... Oh yes I agree, usually only one hardener is whats needed to take infantry hits like nothing (I'd say 2 is what is needed to to such a thing). Probably a buff to AV is in order. Perhaps increase all av damage by 50%.
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.01.06 11:20:00 - [3] - Quote PEW JACKSON wrote: Nitrobeacon wrote: I agree with most parts, but to add to this, I don't think that cycling hardeners is a big issue. First of all, doing so in a Gunnlogi requires 3 hardeners, only one of which will be used out of the three, so a Gunnlogi who uses all of their modules instead of "cycling about 1 out of 3 high slots" will utterly destroy the cycling tank, so for Gunnlogies I don't recall this an issue. Armor tankers only need 2 hardeners to cycle, but then again a guy who activates all hardeners has better survivability against another tank. To be honest cycling is just a very risky move, you are vulnerable to tank to tank 1 v 1s as he likely used both his armor hardeners while you are using 1 out of 3/2 Also cycling adds to tactics of the gameplay, cycling is used when you need constant toughness, while 2 hardeners all tanked up is used for a more "I really need to take hits right now, there's two tanks over there". It makes one require a knowledge of the surroundings, and decide whether they need to take small hits via cycling or critical hits through dual hardening. Learned something new . I run dual hardeners and a booster. Would having both hardeners active give me more ehp than to use 1 then my booster to cycle the other? Yes, two hardeners completely negates damage at the considerable cost of cooldown/exposed duration. Cycling is a good idea though, so you have the right idea, more so vs infantry. Edit: Reading your question again, I'd say that continued cycling is a good idea, but risky too (as I said before), remember that if another tank gets you off your guard, you will be at a big disadvantage if he has more than two hardeners active.