DUST Search - Make Vehicles cost Warpoints to call in. [brainstorm]

Th3rdSun wrote:

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote:

Th3rdSun wrote:

I first proposed an idea similar to this ages ago.Mine was more geared toward the then talked about Commander role,where one person on the team was essentially the field general stationed in the MCC and what ever WP was earn was used to deploy turrets,extra CRUs,Orbitals,and my idea,extra vehicles.Since the rumor o the Commander never came to fruition,none of this really works now,but something absolutely has to be done about tank spam.

I think the OP's suggestion is way to restrictive and just wouldn't work,but there is a much easier solution.

1)No SP free tanks,or any vehicles for that matter.This one simple thing has completely destroyed the balance of vehicle vs AV warfare.

2)Due to the fact that it's still 16 vs 16 matches,there's absolutely no reason in any game mode for there to be more than two tanks on the field per side at any given time.I couldn't care less if you feel entitled just because you skilled into them.The facts are that they have completely broken the game,and people don't play broken games for very long,so for now and for the sake of the playerbase,there needs to be stronger limits.

3)There needs to be a severe cooldown period for people calling in vehicles,taking massive damage then running away to recall them,only to call them in two seconds later.Whatever vehicle you recall,you should restricted from calling in that class of vehicle again for a minimum of 5 minute.If it gets blown up,that's a different story,and if you call in a DS,recall,then call and HAV,that's ok too,but think of it kind of like the rule in football where you can't call two timeouts back to back.

1- then how would u test it out before getting. so no milita is required but i s to effective

2- maybe for pubs but for PC and FW i should be able to spam it. i mean alls fair in love and war. Bear

3- no i have a stockpile of tanks and i will bring them in when i feel like. :)

1-Do like anyone else does and make an alt to test stuff.

2-I'm fine with that.

3-You can use them,but the calling,recalling,then calling again is just stupid and gamebreaking.

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Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:54:00 - [1] - Quote I feel that having a wp system for calling in vehicles would greatly balance vehicle play. Just throwing numbers out there (these are squad WP) 0WP You can call in a militia Light Vehicle 50WP You can call in a Light Vehicle 125 WP You can call in a militia medium vehicle 250 WP you can call in a Medium Vehicle 500 WP you can call in a Militia heavy Vehicle 1250 WP You can call in a Heavy Vehicle Using WP like this consumes your available warpoints (not earned warpoints), and orbitals are also purchased from the same wps. So you can call in two tanks or a war barge strike. I feel this adds a balancing layer to vehicles. EDIT: added a few more layers. EDIT 2: This also fixes the recall vehicle swap exploit. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Patrick57 3635	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:56:00 - [2] - Quote wtf? This is the dumbest idea I've ever heard. Logi ak.0 Best Logi :D
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2565	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote This is an old idea that was scrapped long ago. If you look back at the beta footage of when devs played Crater Lake in a Fanfest one year, they said something along the lines of: "This vehicle requires WP to call in," as they were explaining how the vehicle drop system worked. And if they decided to remove it a long time ago, then chances are they aren't going to bring it back, kind of like Crater Lake. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2349	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:59:00 - [4] - Quote To play my chosen role I have to do something else for half the match? It's bad enough that my dropship is the most fragile vehicle on the field and transport at the beginning of the match is part of my role. No thanks. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.01.06 02:59:00 - [5] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: This is an old idea that was scrapped long ago. If you look back at the beta footage of when devs played Crater Lake in a Fanfest one year, they said something along the lines of: "This vehicle requires WP to call in," as they were explaining how the vehicle drop system worked. And if they decided to remove it a long time ago, then chances are they aren't going to bring it back, kind of like Crater Lake. Honestly, I believe they should bring it back. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 439	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:03:00 - [6] - Quote So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:04:00 - [7] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? I'll support it if I'm immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating them. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 439	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:07:00 - [8] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? I'll support it if I'm immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating them. Tanks can be blown up by Scouts with RE. And I've blown many up with militia forge guns... that leaves just.... nobody except those who choose not to think? I mean seriously? If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Leovarian L Lavitz NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 884	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:08:00 - [9] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? I'll support it if I'm immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating them. Tanks can be blown up by Scouts with RE. And I've blown many up with militia forge guns... that leaves just.... nobody except those who choose not to think? I mean seriously? So, a scout with an RE, can kill a tank. Can the tank only kill scouts with REs? AS I said before, Immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating 100% of them. Omni-Soldier Few are my equal in one of these specialties, and there are none who can compare in all of them.
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2522	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:09:00 - [10] - Quote I would like to solve the puzzle...NO Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]

BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1414	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:01:00 - [11] - Quote Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Leovarian L Lavitz wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? I'll support it if I'm immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating them. Tanks can be blown up by Scouts with RE. And I've blown many up with militia forge guns... that leaves just.... nobody except those who choose not to think? I mean seriously? So, a scout with an RE, can kill a tank. Can the tank only kill scouts with REs? AS I said before, Immune to 90% of the enemy team while still devastating 100% of them. what Lol. dumbest logic ever. tht would be like HMG kills AR user. And AR user kills HMG user and then says can the AR user kill other infantry. so i should be immune to AR users as a scout. Lol and REs can kill infantry too. u just got to use them properly. Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Thumb Green Titans of Phoenix Legacy Rising 634	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:10:00 - [12] - Quote Bad idea, all it will do is give the team getting the sh!t stomped out of them even less of a chance to fight back and the team doing the stomping even more of an advantage to stomp with. CCP: Is it the most asinine way possible to do this? Yes. Then that's how we're doing it.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3056	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:11:00 - [13] - Quote No, and then some. Why would (or should) anyone be forced to play as a something they don't want to play as, especially for the simple sake of being able to use the thing that they spent SP on? "Make people play as a tanker untill they have enough WP. then they can call in a dropsuit". How idiotic does that sound? Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 1024	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:11:00 - [14] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: So also then.... 500 Wp to wear ADV suits and 1250 WP to wear PRO suits Doesn't that just sound stupid? Don't forget 0 WP for light suits, 750 WP for medium suits, and 1000 WP for heavy suits lol According to OP's logic, you need WPs to increase your EHP. Shouldn't be able to spawn in with a heavy and an HMG to mow down people from the beginning of a match. "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3056	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:13:00 - [15] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: I would like to solve the puzzle...NO I'm sorry Micheal, but the answer we were looking for was: "H*ll NO" Seriously though. How did you guess no? There was 6 Spaces there dude. -_- Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1415	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:14:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: No, and then some. Why would (or should) anyone be forced to play as a something they don't want to play as, especially for the simple sake of being able to use the thing that they spent SP on? "Make people play as a tanker untill they have enough WP. then they can call in a dropsuit". How idiotic does that sound? what i agree with atiim for once. this is still dust right? Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Jason Pearson 3789	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:16:00 - [17] - Quote No. If tanks didn't require SP to get, only needing ISK to purchase and WP to deploy, then perhaps it would work but I've spent the majority of my 20mil SP into vehicles, you're telling me that I'm not able to play until I get 1250 WP and the chance of that due to the low amount of SP in dropsuit things is fairly low. Think on it, if you're suit required near 20mil SP to be useful but you couldn't use it unless you got a bunch of WP in a match first, I don't think you'd be happy. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5275	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:17:00 - [18] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Atiim wrote: No, and then some. Why would (or should) anyone be forced to play as a something they don't want to play as, especially for the simple sake of being able to use the thing that they spent SP on? "Make people play as a tanker untill they have enough WP. then they can call in a dropsuit". How idiotic does that sound? what i agree with atiim for once. this is still dust right? No. We have left Dust a while ago. There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone. Never forget How to fix the Logi
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3057	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:19:00 - [19] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: what i agree with atiim for once. this is still dust right? Spittakes Did I just say NO to a vehicle nerf? I don't think I'm playing DUST anymore. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Harpyja DUST University Ivy League 1025	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:19:00 - [20] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Atiim wrote: No, and then some. Why would (or should) anyone be forced to play as a something they don't want to play as, especially for the simple sake of being able to use the thing that they spent SP on? "Make people play as a tanker untill they have enough WP. then they can call in a dropsuit". How idiotic does that sound? what i agree with atiim for once. this is still dust right? IKR? I got to admit though. Sometimes I want to give Atiim a high five, and other times I just want to punch him in the face. Mostly it's the latter, but still... "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3057	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:34:00 - [21] - Quote Harpyja wrote: IKR? I got to admit though. Sometimes I want to give Atiim a high five, and other times I just want to punch him in the face. Mostly it's the latter, but still... It's usually always the latter. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 101	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:44:00 - [22] - Quote i dont think i have seen any ideas that are..........................this profundley stupid. yes i have proto suits and guns. but that s my side job. in order to do my mai job of tanking your telling me i have to earn 1250 wp? now how often does one person do that by them self without a squad. why should ANYONE have to play a role they do not wnat to do just get enough points so they can do what they specced into? if tnaks were just isk and WP it would work. but when your asking for sp, isk and wp to do one job that is stupid. so far iam thinking opeing post just got hurt by a millita tank/vehicle spam. i have 20+ mill sp into vehicles out of my 30. iam not going to paly another role/job just tpo do what iam best at doing. current system of SP investment into role is working fine. if the current system changes...................... not sure how well it will go down.
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 744	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:47:00 - [23] - Quote Props to the OP for thinking outside the box but this is not a very good idea at all. "STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2525	Posted - 2014.01.06 04:58:00 - [24] - Quote Atiim wrote: Michael Arck wrote: I would like to solve the puzzle...NO I'm sorry Micheal, but the answer we were looking for was: "Hll NO" Seriously though. How did you guess no? There was 6 Spaces there dude. -_- LOL!! The best laughter of the night!! Much obliged sir Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.* For the State!! [email protected]
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 558	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:09:00 - [25] - Quote I first proposed an idea similar to this ages ago.Mine was more geared toward the then talked about Commander role,where one person on the team was essentially the field general stationed in the MCC and what ever WP was earn was used to deploy turrets,extra CRUs,Orbitals,and my idea,extra vehicles.Since the rumor o the Commander never came to fruition,none of this really works now,but something absolutely has to be done about tank spam. I think the OP's suggestion is way to restrictive and just wouldn't work,but there is a much easier solution. 1)No SP free tanks,or any vehicles for that matter.This one simple thing has completely destroyed the balance of vehicle vs AV warfare. 2)Due to the fact that it's still 16 vs 16 matches,there's absolutely no reason in any game mode for there to be more than two tanks on the field per side at any given time.I couldn't care less if you feel entitled just because you skilled into them.The facts are that they have completely broken the game,and people don't play broken games for very long,so for now and for the sake of the playerbase,there needs to be stronger limits. 3)There needs to be a severe cooldown period for people calling in vehicles,taking massive damage then running away to recall them,only to call them in two seconds later.Whatever vehicle you recall,you should restricted from calling in that class of vehicle again for a minimum of 5 minute.If it gets blown up,that's a different story,and if you call in a DS,recall,then call and HAV,that's ok too,but think of it kind of like the rule in football where you can't call two timeouts back to back.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1422	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:15:00 - [26] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: I first proposed an idea similar to this ages ago.Mine was more geared toward the then talked about Commander role,where one person on the team was essentially the field general stationed in the MCC and what ever WP was earn was used to deploy turrets,extra CRUs,Orbitals,and my idea,extra vehicles.Since the rumor o the Commander never came to fruition,none of this really works now,but something absolutely has to be done about tank spam. I think the OP's suggestion is way to restrictive and just wouldn't work,but there is a much easier solution. 1)No SP free tanks,or any vehicles for that matter.This one simple thing has completely destroyed the balance of vehicle vs AV warfare. 2)Due to the fact that it's still 16 vs 16 matches,there's absolutely no reason in any game mode for there to be more than two tanks on the field per side at any given time.I couldn't care less if you feel entitled just because you skilled into them.The facts are that they have completely broken the game,and people don't play broken games for very long,so for now and for the sake of the playerbase,there needs to be stronger limits. 3)There needs to be a severe cooldown period for people calling in vehicles,taking massive damage then running away to recall them,only to call them in two seconds later.Whatever vehicle you recall,you should restricted from calling in that class of vehicle again for a minimum of 5 minute.If it gets blown up,that's a different story,and if you call in a DS,recall,then call and HAV,that's ok too,but think of it kind of like the rule in football where you can't call two timeouts back to back. 1- then how would u test it out before getting. so no milita is required but i s to effective 2- maybe for pubs but for PC and FW i should be able to spam it. i mean alls fair in love and war. 3- no i have a stockpile of tanks and i will bring them in when i feel like. :) Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 558	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:27:00 - [27] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: I first proposed an idea similar to this ages ago.Mine was more geared toward the then talked about Commander role,where one person on the team was essentially the field general stationed in the MCC and what ever WP was earn was used to deploy turrets,extra CRUs,Orbitals,and my idea,extra vehicles.Since the rumor o the Commander never came to fruition,none of this really works now,but something absolutely has to be done about tank spam. I think the OP's suggestion is way to restrictive and just wouldn't work,but there is a much easier solution. 1)No SP free tanks,or any vehicles for that matter.This one simple thing has completely destroyed the balance of vehicle vs AV warfare. 2)Due to the fact that it's still 16 vs 16 matches,there's absolutely no reason in any game mode for there to be more than two tanks on the field per side at any given time.I couldn't care less if you feel entitled just because you skilled into them.The facts are that they have completely broken the game,and people don't play broken games for very long,so for now and for the sake of the playerbase,there needs to be stronger limits. 3)There needs to be a severe cooldown period for people calling in vehicles,taking massive damage then running away to recall them,only to call them in two seconds later.Whatever vehicle you recall,you should restricted from calling in that class of vehicle again for a minimum of 5 minute.If it gets blown up,that's a different story,and if you call in a DS,recall,then call and HAV,that's ok too,but think of it kind of like the rule in football where you can't call two timeouts back to back. 1- then how would u test it out before getting. so no milita is required but i s to effective 2- maybe for pubs but for PC and FW i should be able to spam it. i mean alls fair in love and war. 3- no i have a stockpile of tanks and i will bring them in when i feel like. :) 1-Do like anyone else does and make an alt to test stuff. 2-I'm fine with that. 3-You can use them,but the calling,recalling,then calling again is just stupid and gamebreaking.
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 449	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:30:00 - [28] - Quote Or RDV could be an actual player omg that'd be awesome or a commander can control the influx of vehicles and to accept the request. .... but not in pubs only PC and team deploy FW We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1423	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:31:00 - [29] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: I first proposed an idea similar to this ages ago.Mine was more geared toward the then talked about Commander role,where one person on the team was essentially the field general stationed in the MCC and what ever WP was earn was used to deploy turrets,extra CRUs,Orbitals,and my idea,extra vehicles.Since the rumor o the Commander never came to fruition,none of this really works now,but something absolutely has to be done about tank spam. I think the OP's suggestion is way to restrictive and just wouldn't work,but there is a much easier solution. 1)No SP free tanks,or any vehicles for that matter.This one simple thing has completely destroyed the balance of vehicle vs AV warfare. 2)Due to the fact that it's still 16 vs 16 matches,there's absolutely no reason in any game mode for there to be more than two tanks on the field per side at any given time.I couldn't care less if you feel entitled just because you skilled into them.The facts are that they have completely broken the game,and people don't play broken games for very long,so for now and for the sake of the playerbase,there needs to be stronger limits. 3)There needs to be a severe cooldown period for people calling in vehicles,taking massive damage then running away to recall them,only to call them in two seconds later.Whatever vehicle you recall,you should restricted from calling in that class of vehicle again for a minimum of 5 minute.If it gets blown up,that's a different story,and if you call in a DS,recall,then call and HAV,that's ok too,but think of it kind of like the rule in football where you can't call two timeouts back to back. 1- then how would u test it out before getting. so no milita is required but i s to effective 2- maybe for pubs but for PC and FW i should be able to spam it. i mean alls fair in love and war. 3- no i have a stockpile of tanks and i will bring them in when i feel like. :) 1-Do like anyone else does and make an alt to test stuff. 2-I'm fine with that. 3-You can use them,but the calling,recalling,then calling again is just stupid and gamebreaking. 1- by tht logic all infantry milita gear should be gone so they can make an alt and test it out. 2- ok 3- remind me about dem supply depos again and infantry? Main - BobThe843CakeMan Ringing for PC for a price, msg for details. Prices are based on who ur facing and how i feel.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2641	Posted - 2014.01.06 05:32:00 - [30] - Quote As a dropship pilot I spent far too much time in a crappy suit paying for my ships. I wouldn't dump additional restrictions on new pilots.



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