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Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1141	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:13:00 - [1] - Quote Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One quick fix that would need less codeing : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness until a proper fix can be implemented. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Syeven Reed RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 235	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:14:00 - [2] - Quote So snipers dont loose their proto?? Rail tankers dont loose their tanks? Sorry, but silly idea... Gÿé Syeven 514
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 665	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:17:00 - [3] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: So snipers dont loose their proto?? Rail tankers dont loose their tanks? Sorry, but silly idea... I believe you misunderstand. You do not lose your gear or tank to a sniper in the redline "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1141	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:17:00 - [4] - Quote A rail tanker shooting 500k tanks or 200k proto suits from his redline is not risking his ISK as the redline defends him. But he is able to destroy other peoples ISK. This rail tanker can kill people outside the redline, but they do not lose their suit or tank when it is destroyed. It goes back to their inventory. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1142	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:20:00 - [5] - Quote Syeven Reed wrote: Edit, i see what you mean. but isn't it creating the whole BPO issue again? Its a quick fix to stop lots of players losing ISK unfairly to 600m range tripple damage modded tanks buried behind their own MCC in the redline who are killing players fighting and risking all at objectives while they are safe. Just the redline. Just rail tanks and snipers. He can kill and create attack windows but no-one will lose ISK to him. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2364	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:22:00 - [6] - Quote I like my poor python can't do anything against redline rail tanks "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Nova Knife Proficeiney 5 \o/
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2331	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:23:00 - [7] - Quote Interesting idea. I must meditate upon this with a pot of coffee. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2331	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:27:00 - [8] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: I like my poor python can't do anything against redline rail tanks I was having such a good day yesterday then four Pythons lost within two matches and I never did find those tanks. I now harass any tanks that dare approach the redline and keep them running. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Griffter D'nan Seraphim Auxiliaries 4	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:31:00 - [9] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Its a quick fix to stop lots of players losing ISK unfairly to 600m range tripple damage modded tanks buried behind their own MCC in the redline who are killing players fighting and risking all at objectives while they are safe. Good idea! Problem with redline snipers is so old but still unsolved. I think that kills from redline should be worth al least 1/3 of WP if not 0 WP. It's also apply to sniper rfiles as well. Its not fun to be thaled to death over and over again from deep redline.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1432	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:34:00 - [10] - Quote As a temporary measure i think it's a tremendously worthwhile experiment to run. Would also be tempted to remove WP and in-match passive SP for any players more than 300m deep in their own redline. I support SP rollover.

Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 735	Posted - 2014.01.05 14:36:00 - [11] - Quote Wish they'd just come up with a lore reason for the redline that affected weapons in some way. Seems to be the most logical action. Is there a reason given that enemy soldiers die in the redline? Can't whatever that is affect weapons too? And as for the OP's suggestion this has been an issue for as long as there have been people logged in to DUST but I would caution that "temporary solutions" have a very nasty habit of becoming permanent. "STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
Sgt Buttscratch 1245	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:18:00 - [12] - Quote The players are NOT IN THE REDLINE, they are out of bounds for YOU. On their screen they are operating from their given boundries. HTFU Thats the quick fix HTFU I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2130	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:25:00 - [13] - Quote lolno I can do the same with a sniper How do you expect ppl to fight out of the redline? Intelligence is OP
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1146	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:44:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Buttscratch wrote: The players are NOT IN THE REDLINE, they are out of bounds for YOU. On their screen they are operating from their given boundries. HTFU Thats the quick fix HTFU Thank you for your input. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Sgt Buttscratch 1245	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:46:00 - [15] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Sgt Buttscratch wrote: The players are NOT IN THE REDLINE, they are out of bounds for YOU. On their screen they are operating from their given boundries. HTFU Thats the quick fix HTFU Thank you for your input. NP, next time ya wanna beat another dead dog, then try feed it. I'll be here I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1146	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:47:00 - [16] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno I can do the same with a sniper How do you expect ppl to fight out of the redline? You seem to have read another OP then replied to mine. I recommend that you read the thread in it's entirety so you may understand the points being made more clearly. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Chit Hoppened Xer Cloud Consortium 281	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:49:00 - [17] - Quote Why not completely remove the Redline? The damned thing is pointless and no one likes boundaries anyways. Bringing Heavy Metal to New Eden. Cannon Fever Representative
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2130	Posted - 2014.01.05 15:52:00 - [18] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno I can do the same with a sniper How do you expect ppl to fight out of the redline? You seem to have read another OP then replied to mine. I recommend that you read the thread in it's entirety so you may understand the points being made more clearly. They dont lose anything That means they are free to spam anything and everything when they have redlined a team because they never lose it ever Actions have consequences 'sorry no they dont if you redline a team because you win and never lose a suit so you can spam proto suits and never worry about losing it yay' Intelligence is OP
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1146	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:11:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno I can do the same with a sniper How do you expect ppl to fight out of the redline? You seem to have read another OP then replied to mine. I recommend that you read the thread in it's entirety so you may understand the points being made more clearly. They dont lose anything That means they are free to spam anything and everything when they have redlined a team because they never lose it ever Actions have consequences 'sorry no they dont if you redline a team because you win and never lose a suit so you can spam proto suits and never worry about losing it yay' You need to read it a third time. I'll help you with the key words to look out for. Clue is in the spoiler. Spoiler : Rail Tanks. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Nguruthos IX PEN 15 CLUB 2407	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:15:00 - [20] - Quote They're gonna have to do better than that. And better than temp fixes in this game, since this game so far is a giant band aid already.

Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2130	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:17:00 - [21] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: lolno I can do the same with a sniper How do you expect ppl to fight out of the redline? You seem to have read another OP then replied to mine. I recommend that you read the thread in it's entirety so you may understand the points being made more clearly. They dont lose anything That means they are free to spam anything and everything when they have redlined a team because they never lose it ever Actions have consequences 'sorry no they dont if you redline a team because you win and never lose a suit so you can spam proto suits and never worry about losing it yay' You need to read it a third time. I'll help you with the key words to look out for. Clue is in the spoiler. Spoiler : Rail Tanks. And snipers you did put in orginally If you taken it out then its bias against vehicles but also makes redlining worse overall Also it means you can fly without being in any danger but frankly you need to fly better and squad with AV and other vehicle pilots Intelligence is OP
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1146	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:26:00 - [22] - Quote I didnt take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 35	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:33:00 - [23] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. this has been an issue since day one. The redline counter should be increased. To prevent spawn camps, if too many enemy units are in the redline measure could be implemented. There are already random spawns around the map, if "redline compromised" happens, mercs would begin spawning at the safest random spawn. we could hunt enemy units but still have a safe place for people who want to participate in the battle to spawn
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2130	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:35:00 - [24] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I didn't take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section I wrote : Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers I think from you "just fly better" and "squad with AV" comment that you still have not bothered to read the thread or even tried to understand the issue. I shall no longer respond to you as I think you are simply a troll. You want to make the redlining situation worse go ahead As for the you need to fly better and squad up yes you do because every game ive seen you in so far your DS has blown up, it hurts but its true Intelligence is OP
Amarrgheddon Warcaste 35	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:42:00 - [25] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I didn't take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section I wrote : Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers I think from you "just fly better" and "squad with AV" comment that you still have not bothered to read the thread or even tried to understand the issue. I shall no longer respond to you as I think you are simply a troll. You want to make the redlining situation worse go ahead As for the you need to fly better and squad up yes you do because every game ive seen you in so far your DS has blown up, it hurts but its true Is this thread for taking stabs at each other?
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2131	Posted - 2014.01.05 16:46:00 - [26] - Quote Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I didn't take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section I wrote : Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers I think from you "just fly better" and "squad with AV" comment that you still have not bothered to read the thread or even tried to understand the issue. I shall no longer respond to you as I think you are simply a troll. You want to make the redlining situation worse go ahead As for the you need to fly better and squad up yes you do because every game ive seen you in so far your DS has blown up, it hurts but its true Is this thread for taking stabs at each other? It is now Intelligence is OP
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 63	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:08:00 - [27] - Quote Small confined maps = cod All they have to do is push the current redlines back by 500M. Snipers and Rails have would be in playable space to be effective and people who are in the redzone are too far out to affect anything relevant to the tide of battle. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Saxbrin Shain Ivory Vanguard 167	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:19:00 - [28] - Quote Simply remove the WP rewards for kills when either party is behind the redline. That way, it's still tactically viable to redline snipe GÇö or to push the enemy behind their redline GÇö but such unsporting behavior isn't rewarded with orbitals and SP. IMMORTALS; From the Sands to the Stars We fight until we die. Then we fight some more.
Sir Dukey The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 252	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:22:00 - [29] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. So if we redline a team, does that mean i can now redline them permanently by getting my expensive proto suits out because i won't lose them.
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 1148	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:36:00 - [30] - Quote No Sir Dukey. Rail tanks only as stated in the OP. Perhaps snipers but they are not subject to the same broken mechanics currently that redline rail tanks are. Everything Dropship youtube channel my Community Spotlight

Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 181	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:55:00 - [31] - Quote petition CCP for a no red zone map, like ambush, with no red zone. Pitch it as an "alternative proposed map of play" in a pub match, just temporary of coarse,just to validate the #'s. What an awesome choice, because Dust is about choices. Then you (anti red zone mercs) would be able to play in your anti red zone sand box and you'll be happy [quote=mollerz] No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit.[/quote]
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2140	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:58:00 - [32] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. So if we redline a team, does that mean i can now redline them permanently by getting my expensive proto suits out because i won't lose them. Yes Intelligence is OP
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2639	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:06:00 - [33] - Quote The redline is a problem, not a solution. The redline invites abuse by snipers and there is no good way to fix that short of removal. The redline rarely if ever improves a match. Once a team has been bottled up they don't make it back out again. The line simply gets camped and it's boring for both sides. The losers either throw cheap suits into the meat grinder or sit back and wait for time to run out. Honestly, does anyone here think it's worth keeping?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 345	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:08:00 - [34] - Quote I actually like the OP's idea... but I don't see it working out as it could then lead to matches with half of each team running proto while staying in the redline so they don't lose gear... enough people stay there already What we need is smarter players... How many of you take a suit with 6 uplinks, Go into the map, drop all within 50/100 meters make a lot of WP doing nothing..... And fool themselves thinking they are at all contributing to the team And then the Derpships fly up to one rooftop and his squad place anywhere up to 20 links ON ONE ROOF! This happens so much it's unbelievable, and it is practically asking to be redlined You give your opponents a chance to breach one area and win the game... No WP for redline kills is better, it gives the players reason to get out of there unless they like OWP Turrets should be in place to defend it, with either boosted or unlimited HP, the turrets would have to be Large Blasters so they couldn't be used at range Being redlined is avoidable if you use tactics to get out of there... Provide uplinks in strategic locations from the beginning of battle and you even give the new players a chance to control objectives.... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2140	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:31:00 - [35] - Quote Skihids wrote: The redline is a problem, not a solution. The redline invites abuse by snipers and there is no good way to fix that short of removal. The redline rarely if ever improves a match. Once a team has been bottled up they don't make it back out again. The line simply gets camped and it's boring for both sides. The losers either throw cheap suits into the meat grinder or sit back and wait for time to run out. Honestly, does anyone here think it's worth keeping? Closed beta we didnt have a redline What happened was that the enemy just invaded where you spawn and we had tanks looking up at the MCC shooting missiles into it You spawn and died and no escape Intelligence is OP
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7499	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:52:00 - [36] - Quote Just rail tanks, specifically? Because I think that Thale's sniping from 300m in the redline is equally broken. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2514	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:55:00 - [37] - Quote ITT rail tankers who would rather insult people than be productive. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 993	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:59:00 - [38] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. Seems like cutting the range or upping the spool up and lower tracking could be easier to implement and would be what actually should happen. My missile gunnlogi gets trashed at CQ just because the rail has better RoF than it used to. I hope they increase the spool up and overheat. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1941	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:03:00 - [39] - Quote I think this is brilliant. Iv not even been able to properly try out drop ships in 1.7 because of this and I'm really heavy handed with the new feel of it, bottom line is in absolute rubbish and Cant even practice properly as it responds so well now and I get popped of shot at almost immediately. I would like to add that this would be fine in pubs but needs some lore to back it up in fw and pc I believe, maybe something to do with corporate compensation for unseen circumstances? I don't know. Oh and drop ships cost how much more than tanks? Wtf is up with that? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 337	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:05:00 - [40] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I didn't take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section I wrote : Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers I think from you "just fly better" and "squad with AV" comment that you still have not bothered to read the thread or even tried to understand the issue. I shall no longer respond to you as I think you are simply a troll. You want to make the redlining situation worse go ahead As for the you need to fly better and squad up yes you do because every game ive seen you in so far your DS has blown up, it hurts but its true Is this thread for taking stabs at each other? It is now oooooo... Sh*t just got real



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