DUST Search - [Redline] How about this as a temporary fix

Sir Dukey wrote:

Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:

Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield.

One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in :

The Temporary Solution wrote:

If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle.

This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers.

This may stop the unfairness until a proper fix can be implemented.

EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it.

So if we redline a team, does that mean i can now redline them permanently by getting my expensive proto suits out because i won't lose them.

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Kahn Zo Furyan Alpha 181	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:55:00 - [31] - Quote petition CCP for a no red zone map, like ambush, with no red zone. Pitch it as an "alternative proposed map of play" in a pub match, just temporary of coarse,just to validate the #'s. What an awesome choice, because Dust is about choices. Then you (anti red zone mercs) would be able to play in your anti red zone sand box and you'll be happy [quote=mollerz] No no no no. I can't just fit willy nilly on my suit.[/quote]
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2140	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:58:00 - [32] - Quote Sir Dukey wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. So if we redline a team, does that mean i can now redline them permanently by getting my expensive proto suits out because i won't lose them. Yes Intelligence is OP
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2639	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:06:00 - [33] - Quote The redline is a problem, not a solution. The redline invites abuse by snipers and there is no good way to fix that short of removal. The redline rarely if ever improves a match. Once a team has been bottled up they don't make it back out again. The line simply gets camped and it's boring for both sides. The losers either throw cheap suits into the meat grinder or sit back and wait for time to run out. Honestly, does anyone here think it's worth keeping?
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 345	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:08:00 - [34] - Quote I actually like the OP's idea... but I don't see it working out as it could then lead to matches with half of each team running proto while staying in the redline so they don't lose gear... enough people stay there already What we need is smarter players... How many of you take a suit with 6 uplinks, Go into the map, drop all within 50/100 meters make a lot of WP doing nothing..... And fool themselves thinking they are at all contributing to the team And then the Derpships fly up to one rooftop and his squad place anywhere up to 20 links ON ONE ROOF! This happens so much it's unbelievable, and it is practically asking to be redlined You give your opponents a chance to breach one area and win the game... No WP for redline kills is better, it gives the players reason to get out of there unless they like OWP Turrets should be in place to defend it, with either boosted or unlimited HP, the turrets would have to be Large Blasters so they couldn't be used at range Being redlined is avoidable if you use tactics to get out of there... Provide uplinks in strategic locations from the beginning of battle and you even give the new players a chance to control objectives.... Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2140	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:31:00 - [35] - Quote Skihids wrote: The redline is a problem, not a solution. The redline invites abuse by snipers and there is no good way to fix that short of removal. The redline rarely if ever improves a match. Once a team has been bottled up they don't make it back out again. The line simply gets camped and it's boring for both sides. The losers either throw cheap suits into the meat grinder or sit back and wait for time to run out. Honestly, does anyone here think it's worth keeping? Closed beta we didnt have a redline What happened was that the enemy just invaded where you spawn and we had tanks looking up at the MCC shooting missiles into it You spawn and died and no escape Intelligence is OP
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7499	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:52:00 - [36] - Quote Just rail tanks, specifically? Because I think that Thale's sniping from 300m in the redline is equally broken. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2514	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:55:00 - [37] - Quote ITT rail tankers who would rather insult people than be productive. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 993	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:59:00 - [38] - Quote Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: Fixing the redline is a big job. In the mean time it causes players to lose ISK to fellow players who are not even on the battlefield. One temporary fix that would need less codeing and might be easier to develop and patch in : The Temporary Solution wrote: If any player or vehicle is killed by a player who is within the redline using a rail tank they die but do NOT lose their suit or vehicle. This allows the redline to be used to push out of a pinned back position and create a window to advance by clearing the field but at the same time the rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers who are not risking ISK cannot take ISK from others. We could limit this to just rails or rails and snipers. This may stop the unfairness *until a proper fix can be implemented*. EDIT : This is a little unrealistic but something is needed quickly as a lots of ISK is being added to the reward ISK pot unfairly. Sit in the reline with no risk. Kill 2 500k dropships and 1 500k tank and you added all that to the ISK reward (or salvage) at the end of the battle. ALl that booty but no risk to get it. Seems like cutting the range or upping the spool up and lower tracking could be easier to implement and would be what actually should happen. My missile gunnlogi gets trashed at CQ just because the rail has better RoF than it used to. I hope they increase the spool up and overheat. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1941	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:03:00 - [39] - Quote I think this is brilliant. Iv not even been able to properly try out drop ships in 1.7 because of this and I'm really heavy handed with the new feel of it, bottom line is in absolute rubbish and Cant even practice properly as it responds so well now and I get popped of shot at almost immediately. I would like to add that this would be fine in pubs but needs some lore to back it up in fw and pc I believe, maybe something to do with corporate compensation for unseen circumstances? I don't know. Oh and drop ships cost how much more than tanks? Wtf is up with that? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Aaroniero d'Lioncourt The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 337	Posted - 2014.01.05 19:05:00 - [40] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Amarrgheddon wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: I didn't take it out It. I said maybe snipers too. My changes are in the EDIT section I wrote : Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: rail tanks 300 meters into the redline, or indeed snipers I think from you "just fly better" and "squad with AV" comment that you still have not bothered to read the thread or even tried to understand the issue. I shall no longer respond to you as I think you are simply a troll. You want to make the redlining situation worse go ahead As for the you need to fly better and squad up yes you do because every game ive seen you in so far your DS has blown up, it hurts but its true Is this thread for taking stabs at each other? It is now oooooo... Sh*t just got real



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