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Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 413	Posted - 2014.01.05 04:22:00 - [1] - Quote Just 3-4 more meters of optimal range, please CCP just alittle, cant you hear cries of the scouts and shotgun users alike A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Callidus Vanus State Patriots 182	Posted - 2014.01.05 04:35:00 - [2] - Quote I think that to many people have been scared by the chromosome era shotgun for that ever to happen. If you are reading this then you are on the forums, leave immediately to retain your enjoyment of Dust 514.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 88	Posted - 2014.01.05 04:44:00 - [3] - Quote Before CCP buffs shotguns they need to work on commandos =P, but I don't think shotguns need more range Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1877	Posted - 2014.01.05 04:58:00 - [4] - Quote No, it does not need a buff to range. It needs to have better dmg and better hit detection. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Rusty Shallows 684	Posted - 2014.01.05 05:10:00 - [5] - Quote If you seriously want it here's what you need to do Johnny. Gather some passionate and dedicated like minded people Approach the forums and IRC like a dirty political campaign. Stay on target. The last one took most of 2013 to succeed. Enjoy your new shinnies. Caution: Above behaviors may result in loss of soul MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 414	Posted - 2014.01.05 05:22:00 - [6] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: No, it does not need a buff to range. It needs to have better dmg and better hit detection. Say they increase the damage,still takes the same number of shots to down someone,a 2 shot is a 2 shot. might as well give the weapon more reach to apply that damage. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Scout Registry 292	Posted - 2014.01.05 05:27:00 - [7] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: No, it does not need a buff to range. It needs to have better dmg and better hit detection. Say they increase the damage,still takes the same number of shots to down someone,a 2 shot is a 2 shot. might as well give the weapon more reach to apply that damage. Indeed. o7
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 150	Posted - 2014.01.05 05:42:00 - [8] - Quote I don't really think the shotgun needs more range, it is just fine in it's optimal. The Chrome SG was a bit ridiculous, I had SG Prof. 5 and Sharpshooter Prof. 3 back then, throw on an Allotek Breach SG and you were blasting people from about 8m away. After that, I think a range increase would be a pretty tough sell. My proposition would be an addition of a Shotgun Sharpshooter skill. This skill would grant a 5% reduction to shotgun spread per level, in place of the current Shotgun Operation skill, which would gain the current Proficiency bonus of a 3% increase to RoF. Shotgun Proficiency would then be left with the standard 3% damage increase that the other weapons have. With these changes: the shotgun retains the spread reduction, makes it easier to maximize the fire rate, and compounds the fire rate increase with a damage increase. These changes alone would be enough to at least bring the shotgun closer to the level of other weapons.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3103	Posted - 2014.01.05 06:18:00 - [9] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: If you seriously want it here's what you need to do Johnny. Gather some passionate and dedicated like minded people Approach the forums and IRC like a dirty political campaign. Stay on target. The last one took most of 2013 to succeed. Enjoy your new shinnies. Caution: Above behaviors may result in loss of soul Yeah, you just happen to "forget" the part where you sell your soul to the Devil right? Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1446	Posted - 2014.01.05 12:30:00 - [10] - Quote You're not QQing hard enough. I QQd for a damn year before I got my OP tanks I asked Santa for. Don't relent. Gather the community. Be the best forum warrior you can be and don't be afraid of the ban hammer. Just have alts ready. Troll troll troll. Data helps too. Appeal to everyone you can and enrage everyone else. Make yourself forum famous. I support you. Also I think a 50% damage buff would be better for the shotgun. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2032	Posted - 2014.01.05 12:44:00 - [11] - Quote The Time To Kill (TTK) for a Shotgun is exactly where it should be. The problem is that the TTK for automatic weapons is way shorter than it should be because they were balanced against Shotguns before Hit Detection was (mostly) fixed. Solutions: Option 1: Nerf automatic weapons. (The QQ on the forums would make the servers smoke.) Option 2: Buff health across the board, and apply a proportional buff to damage for high Alpha weapons such as Shortguns and Sniper Rifles. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2032	Posted - 2014.01.05 12:45:00 - [12] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You're not QQing hard enough. I QQd for a damn year before I got my OP tanks I asked Santa for. Don't relent. Gather the community. Be the best forum warrior you can be and don't be afraid of the ban hammer. Just have alts ready. Troll troll troll. Data helps too. Appeal to everyone you can and enrage everyone else. Make yourself forum famous. I support you. Also I think a 50% damage buff would be better for the shotgun. Nice to see you able to post on your main again. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 89	Posted - 2014.01.05 12:47:00 - [13] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You're not QQing hard enough. I QQd for a damn year before I got my OP tanks I asked Santa for. Don't relent. Gather the community. Be the best forum warrior you can be and don't be afraid of the ban hammer. Just have alts ready. Troll troll troll. Data helps too. Appeal to everyone you can and enrage everyone else. Make yourself forum famous. I support you. Also I think a 50% damage buff would be better for the shotgun. You are nuts lol, More damage? I can take out most people with two shots with the militia shotgun and heavies with 4 or 5. If they are tanked out protos it might be 2 to 3 shots, but no it does not need a 50% damage buff. Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1880	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:12:00 - [14] - Quote Johnny Guilt wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: No, it does not need a buff to range. It needs to have better dmg and better hit detection. Say they increase the damage,still takes the same number of shots to down someone,a 2 shot is a 2 shot. might as well give the weapon more reach to apply that damage. It should 2 shot most any medium suit within 3 meters. It should 1 shot light suits And 3 shot a heavy if he isn't tanked or if he is tanked 3-4 shots with dmg mods. Also, get rid of the sloppy maybe my shot will register, maybe it won't thing that resurfaced with 1.7 "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 246	Posted - 2014.01.05 18:06:00 - [15] - Quote Shotgun- Close Quarters Weapon Assault- Mid-Range Weapon No range buff or assault nerf, I REALLY like my GEK welding minja. Dropship Surfer I will never stop killing you. Basically, kind of a big deal.
Rusty Shallows 689	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:22:00 - [16] - Quote T'orq wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You're not QQing hard enough. I QQd for a damn year before I got my OP tanks I asked Santa for. Don't relent. Gather the community. Be the best forum warrior you can be and don't be afraid of the ban hammer. Just have alts ready. Troll troll troll. Data helps too. Appeal to everyone you can and enrage everyone else. Make yourself forum famous. I support you. Also I think a 50% damage buff would be better for the shotgun. You are nuts lol, More damage? I can take out most people with two shots with the militia shotgun and heavies with 4 or 5. If they are tanked out protos it might be 2 to 3 shots, but no it does not need a 50% damage buff. As someone who has used allot of Heavy suit that number is horrible. Maybe fair at the old greater-range-than-my-SMG-in-Chrome days but not now. Do you have more specific information to share? My Std Heavy was taking thee shotgun hits to die during the HMG nerf and that felt about right. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1379	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:29:00 - [17] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: As someone who has used allot of Heavy suit that number is horrible. Maybe fair at the old greater-range-than-my-SMG-in-Chrome days but not now. Do you have more specific information to share? My Std Heavy was taking thee shotgun hits to die during the HMG nerf and that felt about right. I agree. I am a dedicated HMG fattie, and I want to die in fewer shots to a shotgun than currently. Only seems right. 4-5 shots seems the current state now, and in that time I can usually mulch a Scout to death. Shotgun DPS should be equal or greater to HMG DPS. It was before the recent HMG buff, but now it has fallen behind. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 1 (NEXT: 300/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3051	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:35:00 - [18] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: The Time To Kill (TTK) for a Shotgun is exactly where it should be. The problem is that the TTK for automatic weapons is way shorter than it should be because they were balanced against Shotguns before Hit Detection was (mostly) fixed. Solutions: Option 1: Nerf automatic weapons. (The QQ on the forums would make the servers smoke.) Option 2: Buff health across the board, and apply a proportional buff to damage for high Alpha weapons such as Shortguns and Sniper Rifles. Please don't nerf ALL Automatic weapons. I think the HMGs and SMG's short optimal range justifies it's devastating power. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
T'orq DUST University Ivy League 89	Posted - 2014.01.05 23:46:00 - [19] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Rusty Shallows wrote: As someone who has used allot of Heavy suit that number is horrible. Maybe fair at the old greater-range-than-my-SMG-in-Chrome days but not now. Do you have more specific information to share? My Std Heavy was taking thee shotgun hits to die during the HMG nerf and that felt about right. I agree. I am a dedicated HMG fattie, and I want to die in fewer shots to a shotgun than currently. Only seems right. 4-5 shots seems the current state now, and in that time I can usually mulch a Scout to death. Shotgun DPS should be equal or greater to HMG DPS. It was before the recent HMG buff, but now it has fallen behind. You can't mulch them to death if they sneak up on you And no, I don't have more specific info. I have played as both heavy and light. If you see the light coming then more than likely he will die(unless you are horrible at aiming). I he sneaks up on you, then most of the time you are dead, unless you can turn and react fast enough Thanjac- Proud Member of Commando 6 Commando Lives
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1457	Posted - 2014.01.06 00:01:00 - [20] - Quote I think CCP have got all the ranges wrong. Mass Driver is only marked to 40m SG only optimal to 3-4m Laser Rifle only go as far as 80m Yet Racial Rifles capable of getting to nearly 100 Its seems like our 'unique' weapons and our maps are designed for much shorter distance play than the rifles. If you buff shotgun range they will become king of the complex, leave as it is and anything less than rifle or hmg is pointless. Makes you wonder. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4355	Posted - 2014.01.06 00:07:00 - [21] - Quote Optimal Range is 4m and Maximum range (prototype) is 22m. I'd say it could use an optimal range buff but the maximum range could very well stay the same. Considering the weapon is technically based on spread/dispersion, increasing the optimal range would do nothing more than the applied damage at said range from the 'pellets' that hit; so in all technicality it's basically buffing the damage. I've previously advocated for this and supplied a comparison to other first-person-shooters in this thread. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
pseudosnipre 454	Posted - 2014.01.06 03:29:00 - [22] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Optimal Range is 4m and Maximum range (prototype) is 22m. I'd say it could use an optimal range buff but the maximum range could very well stay the same. Considering the weapon is technically based on spread/dispersion, increasing the optimal range would do nothing more than the applied damage at said range from the 'pellets' that hit; so in all technicality it's basically buffing the damage. I've previously advocated for this and supplied a comparison to other first-person-shooters in this thread. Would like to see optimal reach to 8 or 10m, max range is fine. As an aside, I'm hoping they bring the chromosome sg back with less damage = Caldari variant...if they release sg variants. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 415	Posted - 2014.01.06 09:40:00 - [23] - Quote Does anyone that uses the shotgun hate when this happens? this would have been a kill the fist two shots. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3701	Posted - 2014.01.06 09:43:00 - [24] - Quote But then it would be effective and all the EZmode midframes would scream nerf. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 430	Posted - 2014.01.06 10:46:00 - [25] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: I don't really think the shotgun needs more range, it is just fine in its optimal. The Chrome SG was a bit ridiculous, I had SG Prof. 5 and Sharpshooter Prof. 3 back then, throw on an Allotek Breach SG and you were blasting people from about 8m away. After that, I think a range increase would be a pretty tough sell. My proposition would be an addition of a Shotgun Sharpshooter skill. This skill would grant a 5% reduction to shotgun spread per level, in place of the current Shotgun Operation skill, which would gain the current Proficiency bonus of a 3% increase to RoF. Shotgun Proficiency would then be left with the standard 3% damage increase that the other weapons have. With these changes: the shotgun retains the spread reduction, makes it easier to maximize the fire rate, and compounds the fire rate increase with a damage increase. These changes alone would be enough to at least bring the shotgun closer to the level of other weapons. Oh I actually would love this change I suggesting something similar a while back (without the Sharpshooter skill)
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 430	Posted - 2014.01.06 10:50:00 - [26] - Quote T'orq wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: You're not QQing hard enough. I QQd for a damn year before I got my OP tanks I asked Santa for. Don't relent. Gather the community. Be the best forum warrior you can be and don't be afraid of the ban hammer. Just have alts ready. Troll troll troll. Data helps too. Appeal to everyone you can and enrage everyone else. Make yourself forum famous. I support you. Also I think a 50% damage buff would be better for the shotgun. You are nuts lol, More damage? I can take out most people with two shots with the militia shotgun and heavies with 4 or 5. If they are tanked out protos it might be 2 to 3 shots, but no it does not need a 50% damage buff. Honestly if you need 5 or more shots you are dead already when you encounter a smart player. I had players firing 3 shots in my (scout) back until I died (although this is mainly because of SG HD). The shotgun should OHK most suits in the game. The only suit that maybe should withstand the SG is the heavy or pretty heavy tanked assault/logis...
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 420	Posted - 2014.01.06 10:56:00 - [27] - Quote No! Just give it better got detection and proofread the proficiency skill description. The shotgun is awesome if you skill into it (like everything else in the game (except maybe the Flaylock and the PLC (those are OK))
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 430	Posted - 2014.01.06 11:05:00 - [28] - Quote Joel II X wrote: No! Just give it better got detection and proofread the proficiency skill description. The shotgun is awesome if you skill into it (like everything else in the game (except maybe the Flaylock and the PLC (those are OK)) The SG is a fun weapon but its far from great, sure you can get kills with the SG but the SG will always be outclassed by rifles in its current state and rifles have a much greater range. So to balance the short Range the SG should have a much higher stopping power 6m is not that much and damage drops rather drastic for this weapon out side the optimal... I really loved the Idiea with the Sharpshooter skill. Those changes could make the SG a weapon that is feared again.
OZAROW Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 1180	Posted - 2014.01.06 11:14:00 - [29] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: I don't really think the shotgun needs more range, it is just fine in its optimal. The Chrome SG was a bit ridiculous, I had SG Prof. 5 and Sharpshooter Prof. 3 back then, throw on an Allotek Breach SG and you were blasting people from about 8m away. After that, I think a range increase would be a pretty tough sell. My proposition would be an addition of a Shotgun Sharpshooter skill. This skill would grant a 5% reduction to shotgun spread per level, in place of the current Shotgun Operation skill, which would gain the current Proficiency bonus of a 3% increase to RoF. Shotgun Proficiency would then be left with the standard 3% damage increase that the other weapons have. With these changes: the shotgun retains the spread reduction, makes it easier to maximize the fire rate, and compounds the fire rate increase with a damage increase. These changes alone would be enough to at least bring the shotgun closer to the level of other weapons. Good call SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4


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