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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:22:00 -
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And am proud to call myself a Sefrim.
Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them.
Amarr role-players - you bummed?
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KenKaniff69
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:24:00 -
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Are you running for CPM?
So about those vehicle locks...
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Aisha Ctarl
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:25:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed?
Why would we be bummed....
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5393
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:28:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed?
Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me.
((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.))
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:38:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean.
To be fair, none of us are mortals....we are immortal, that is kinda the whole basis of this game.
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Aero Yassavi
Yassavi House
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean.
I still don't understand where you are getting the idea that by becoming "immortal" we have damned our souls. It makes no sense. I sense it comes from the idea that we are truly immortal and will live forever, which is a fallacy. Are transplants allow us to transfer to a new clone. If there is no new clone to transfer to, we are dead. And further yet, if our transplant gets destroyed, we are dead. And to add to that all, there will still be the end of days where the physical world as we know it seizes to exist and we will be, yes, dead.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4345
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean.
Epitoth. This wasn't intended for the role-playing forums and was entirely meant to upstart the response you just gave about 'heathen Gallentean's 
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:53:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:Are you running for CPM?
If I do ever decide to run for CPM, it certainly will not be this early on. I have -considered- it but this does not mean I am actively attempting to do so.
.... but just so we're clear, with the current CPM stating they're not interested in running, I don't see any likely candidates that I would vote for.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:54:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean. Epitoth. This wasn't intended for the role-playing forums and was entirely meant to upstart the response you just gave about 'heathen Gallentean's
I see....what then is the purpose of this.
Everyone knows how I feel about the Federation. I see them as a evil this cluster over looks because of a single word they preach as though it were their God.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Mithridates VI
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:56:00 -
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I hear rumour of a Sani Sabik branch gaining traction which makes a very similar argument to you, Aeon. I've heard they call themselves Sefrim, on occasion.
They say their position is that while they fully acknowledge the existence of the Amarrian God, their immortality makes them exempt from judgement, so all of their time is spent pursuing hedonistic excess, bathing in clone blood, burning through bodies as fast as they can to celebrate their ability to outrun God.
That's what I hear, anyway.
Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean. Epitoth. This wasn't intended for the role-playing forums and was entirely meant to upstart the response you just gave about 'heathen Gallentean's I see....what then is the purpose of this. Everyone knows how I feel about the Federation. I see them as a evil this cluster over looks because of a single word they preach as though it were their God.
On a more realistic note, I did actually sit down and read the scriptures (as well as a plethora of Amarrian lore) and am considering having my character shift some loyalty to the Amarr Empire. As a player I sort of shivered at the thought of the 'Sefrim' being what the Dust Mercenaries in a metaphorical sense but the purpose of this thread was pretty much to see how the Amarr RPers would react to it, lol.
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Aero Yassavi
Yassavi House
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:59:00 -
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From a non-RP perspective, all factions have evils but none more than the Federation. What's worse is they are able to slyly cover up all their evil doings with the mask of freedom and liberty, which they do not in fact offer.
Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean. Epitoth. This wasn't intended for the role-playing forums and was entirely meant to upstart the response you just gave about 'heathen Gallentean's I see....what then is the purpose of this. Everyone knows how I feel about the Federation. I see them as a evil this cluster over looks because of a single word they preach as though it were their God.
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4345
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:00:00 -
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Mithridates VI wrote:I hear rumour of a Sani Sabik branch gaining traction which makes a very similar argument to you, Aeon. I've heard they call themselves Sefrim, on occasion.
They say their position is that while they fully acknowledge the existence of the Amarrian God, their immortality makes them exempt from judgement, so all of their time is spent pursuing hedonistic excess, bathing in clone blood, burning through bodies as fast as they can to celebrate their ability to outrun God.
That's what I hear, anyway.
Was actually the first place I looked for details pertaining to the meaning of '514' what with the constant apocalyptic references in the first generation clones. Actually figured it had a lot to do with the Isogen-5 terran superweapon as well as sleepers being quasi-terran, although this is just speculation and it only really defines the number '5' in the entire code, even -IF- (and I use that very loosely) they're even related.
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Aeon Amadi
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Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:01:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:From a non-RP perspective, all factions have evils but none more than the Federation. What's worse is they are able to slyly cover up all their evil doings with the mask of freedom and liberty, which they do not in fact offer.
That's pretty bold thing to say considering the rampant reaming the Amarr do on anything that moves, I mean hell the Gallenteans were the first ones the Jovians made contact with and they didn't send a fleet in to try and "conquer" them.
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Mithridates VI
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:02:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Mithridates VI wrote:I hear rumour of a Sani Sabik branch gaining traction which makes a very similar argument to you, Aeon. I've heard they call themselves Sefrim, on occasion.
They say their position is that while they fully acknowledge the existence of the Amarrian God, their immortality makes them exempt from judgement, so all of their time is spent pursuing hedonistic excess, bathing in clone blood, burning through bodies as fast as they can to celebrate their ability to outrun God.
That's what I hear, anyway. Was actually the first place I looked for details pertaining to the meaning of '514' what with the constant apocalyptic references in the first generation clones. Actually figured it had a lot to do with the Isogen-5 terran superweapon as well as sleepers being quasi-terran, although this is just speculation and it only really defines the number '5' in the entire code, even -IF- (and I use that very loosely) they're even related.
Good place to look.
Don't take my spreading of rumours too seriously, though. They're just that. There's no leads to follow up on because those aligning themselves with this movement do so off the books.
Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5393
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:02:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:True Adamance wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:And am proud to call myself a Sefrim. Quote:4 And when the angels touched the ground with their feet the earth shook violently and fire engulfed those daring too near the divinities. Their power being mighty and their presence potent the people were wise not to look too closely upon them. Amarr role-players - you bummed? Exactly which excerpt does this originate from. It does not sound othrodox in nature to me. ((In terms of RP however the greater Amarrian players base uses the term Angels, or references the Avenging Angels of God as a symbol for what they are, so in a greater sense this is more or less about the meta physical angels the Sefrim, who we immortal Amarr try to mirror, though admittedly you cannot claim this title in a traditional sense, we are not the holy Sefrim, we are people who have dammed our own souls and become cloned breaking the tenets of the Sacred Flesh.)) No mortal may claim the title of Sefrim, and certainly not some heathen Gallentean. I still don't understand where you are getting the idea that by becoming "immortal" we have damned our souls. It makes no sense. I sense it comes from the idea that we are truly immortal and will live forever, which is a fallacy. Are transplants allow us to transfer to a new clone. If there is no new clone to transfer to, we are dead. And further yet, if our transplant gets destroyed, we are dead. And to add to that all, there will still be the end of days where the physical world as we know it seizes to exist and we will be, yes, dead.
The idea comes from the belief amongst the Amarr that the cloning of Royal Flesh is blasphemy, many other Amarr extend that to themselves, believing that if their paragon, the Emperor or Empress shouldn't do it, neither too should they.
I personally happen to take this to heart as well, my orginal body was the one God gave me, yet I rejected it, I spurn it, and now I live on when I should have died, and know that I have become something the Lord may never have intended me to be....
Yet I also live on in the hope that while I may be damned by this, I can now fight so my people won't share the same fate, or ever have to fight a war. Perhaps in doing that I am still serving God.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
5393
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:05:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Logi Bro
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless.
Yeah....not really.
Also, missing the point of my ironic post much?
No, I am not CCP Logibro.
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4345
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:12:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
The idea comes from the belief amongst the Amarr that the cloning of Royal Flesh is blasphemy, many other Amarr extend that to themselves, believing that if their paragon, the Emperor or Empress shouldn't do it, neither too should they.
I personally happen to take this to heart as well, my orginal body was the one God gave me, yet I rejected it, I spurn it, and now I live on when I should have died, and know that I have become something the Lord may never have intended me to be....
Yet I also live on in the hope that while I may be damned by this, I can now fight so my people won't share the same fate, or ever have to fight a war. Perhaps in doing that I am still serving God.
"I fight in wars so that no-one else has to fight in a war because war."
Reminds me of the Mass Effect 3 Catalyst paradox
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:17:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless.
Same could be said for the Amarrians who never knew the suffering their ancestors endured
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:19:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless. Same could be said for the Amarrians who never knew the suffering their ancestors endured
Funny thing is the Amarrians are closer to Terrans than anyone else. Associations dictates that they were The Conformists who came through the Eve Gate.
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True Adamance
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:31:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless. Yeah....not really. Also, missing the point of my ironic post much?
((RP come first))
How is freedom valuable if you did not earn it yourself with your own hands? You didn't make it, you didn't do anything to deserve the kindness others are showing you. You are of no value to your people, society.
You merely exist, and existing for no purpose is the same as not existing at all.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:36:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:True Adamance wrote:Logi Bro wrote:
Your argument is invalid because Freedom.
A freedom you did not earn is meaningless. Same could be said for the Amarrians who never knew the suffering their ancestors endured
We endure a never ending suffering, Looking out into the stars and seeing none of their light, only the corrupt and broken beasts that humanity has degraded into.
I never wanted to fight, I suffer with every life I take because life is sacred. I suffer knowing your people live as puppets when they could be my brothers and sisters. I toil under the burdens of a life of service to my Empire, much like the Matari would in service to the Empire.
As much as the Minmatar like to claim they want to free "their" people. In all honesty, after so many generations in the Empire.....these are not your people anymore.
To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi.
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
We endure a never ending suffering, Looking out into the stars and seeing none of their light, only the corrupt and broken beasts that humanity has degraded into.
I never wanted to fight, I suffer with every life I take because life is sacred. I suffer knowing your people live as puppets when they could be my brothers and sisters. I toil under the burdens of a life of service to my Empire, much like the Matari would in service to the Empire.
As much as the Minmatar like to claim they want to free "their" people. In all honesty, after so many generations in the Empire.....these are not your people anymore.
While I know you to speak your truth, can you say the same for your brothers and sisters?
Surely you have seen the hubris and sadism displayed by many of them, is this not a sign that their suffering was not enough to understand the Amarrian way?
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