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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1401	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:52:00 - [1] - Quote If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
darkiller240 K-A-O-S theory 235	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:59:00 - [2] - Quote id say make them cost 800k and make them slower "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
ladwar Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 1963	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:02:00 - [3] - Quote so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1738	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:03:00 - [4] - Quote being perma hardened is an issue. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4251	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:05:00 - [5] - Quote MLT HAVs need to cost a base price of 200k, and Standard Hulls, 300k. I took out 3 Nyain San HAVs today (Two MLT, one Proto) with the assistance of another AVer, we went on to destroy 5-6 of their HAVs without needing to communicate through mics. Problem was, they kept on bringing HAVs in, because they're so dirt cheap. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 223	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:28:00 - [6] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: MLT HAVs need to cost a base price of 200k, and Standard Hulls, 300k. I took out 3 Nyain San HAVs today (Two MLT, one Proto) with the assistance of another AVer, we went on to destroy 5-6 of their HAVs without needing to communicate through mics. Problem was, they kept on bringing HAVs in, because they're so dirt cheap. No You would only see mlt tanks if that was the case im not grinding 2 macthes for 1 thing unless its a adv or pro vehicle recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9614	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:33:00 - [7] - Quote Militia Tanks: 125,000 ISK, forced to fit militia turrets Standard tanks: 200,000 ISK Assault Dropship Montage Incubus Pilot, AV Specialist, Fat Scout DUST addict
SGT NOVA STAR Ahrendee Mercenaries 160	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:34:00 - [8] - Quote if lvl 1 was 2.2 mill, then lvl 3 would be 3.5 mill a pop, and lvl 5 4.9 mill....maybe thats what needs to be done. VAYU! I CHOOSE YOU!
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 223	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:42:00 - [9] - Quote SGT NOVA STAR wrote: if lvl 1 was 2.2 mill, then lvl 3 would be 3.5 mill a pop, and lvl 5 4.9 mill....maybe thats what needs to be done. *murders and hides body recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
Eltra Ardell Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 272	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:44:00 - [10] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. This mentality led to the current Supercapital Proliferation problem in EVE. You should never balance something based on its scarcity, because players will always find ways to procure them. At best, you delay the problem for a short time. If you want to limit the tanks on the field, place a limit on tanks on the field.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3023	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:48:00 - [11] - Quote ladwar wrote: so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> HAVs are powerful enough to justify a higher price, and if your losing your tank enough times to the point where you cannot afford to run them, then you need to stop tanking. <---- WoT is that way. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Nitrobeacon Freek Coalition Freek Alliance 186	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:50:00 - [12] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: being perma hardened is an issue. Passive modules make "perma hardening" look bad, try tanking more, you'll notice that if you only have 1 out of 3 hardeners active, a tank with 2 extenders + hardener beats it.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 330	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:56:00 - [13] - Quote Eltra Ardell wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. This mentality led to the current Supercapital Proliferation problem in EVE. You should never balance something based on its scarcity, because players will always find ways to procure them. At best, you delay the problem for a short time. If you want to limit the tanks on the field, place a limit on tanks on the field. Unfortunately being unable to leave the HAV isn't a punishment at all, and with alts being literally no-cost, there isn't a check there either. Making them unable to track anything smaller would make them solely AV, meaning if you called in a HAV you'd have to either hope the enemy calls one in too, or sit around twiddling your thumbs for the rest of the match. Amarr HAV Speculation
Righteous Rage BIG BAD W0LVES 5	Posted - 2014.01.04 17:59:00 - [14] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Militia Tanks: 125,000 ISK, forced to fit militia turrets Standard tanks: 200,000 ISK I run a militia turret on my gunlogi, they are the same as basic just more cpu/pg. it keeps costs down "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam."
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 223	Posted - 2014.01.04 18:00:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> HAVs are powerful enough to justify a higher price, and if your losing your tank enough times to the point where you cannot afford to run them, then you need to stop tanking. <---- WoT is that way. CoD is that way ---> This a game with infantry and vehicular combat, so you want infantry only and vehicles removed which we all know, go back to cod recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 223	Posted - 2014.01.04 18:02:00 - [16] - Quote Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> HAVs are powerful enough to justify a higher price, and if your losing your tank enough times to the point where you cannot afford to run them, then you need to stop tanking. <---- WoT is that way. Ps ever heard of getting 1shotted bythe lav exploit? Yea its already unfair to lose 300k isk like thay recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
Monty Mole Clone Shiv M 103	Posted - 2014.01.04 18:19:00 - [17] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. make it so kids or women cant drive tanks, how do you do this you may ask? simple, remove 3rd person view and give them manual gears. tanks now take skill to drive
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1741	Posted - 2014.01.04 20:56:00 - [18] - Quote Nitrobeacon wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: being perma hardened is an issue. Passive modules make "perma hardening" look bad, try tanking more, you'll notice that if you only have 1 out of 3 hardeners active, a tank with 2 extenders + hardener beats it. only need two hardeners to be basically hardened all the time, 12 second downtime isnt an issue Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7459	Posted - 2014.01.04 20:59:00 - [19] - Quote This right here is a post from an overlord of tank QQ. Saying tanks are OP. ~~Also because Charlotte is the highest level unicorn~~ I'm inclined to listen. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1442	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:05:00 - [20] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. Completly Disagree, Current Tanks aren't balanced, making them harder to skill and afford creates a vaccum where only those who have been here a while AND have the money can use them. That doesn't make them less overpowered it just means its a guaranteed win for which ever side has the sp sunk tanker. Creating an even worse version of now, because unless you have a tanker on your side, your screwed. Terrible Idea, Never use ISK or SP for balancing. It doesn't solve anything. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Rusty Shallows 677	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:09:00 - [21] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Atiim wrote: ladwar wrote: so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> HAVs are powerful enough to justify a higher price, and if your losing your tank enough times to the point where you cannot afford to run them, then you need to stop tanking. <---- WoT is that way. Ps ever heard of getting 1shotted bythe lav exploit? Yea its already unfair to lose 300k isk like thay What else do you expect people to? Suicide LAVs are no more an exploit than using HAVs in the first place. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Rusty Shallows 677	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:16:00 - [22] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: snip Then you might see 1 a day. snip Maybe CCP's goal is like those early videos that showed battlefields full of vehicles. Perhaps the current imbalance with HAVs is just a hiccup in those plans. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 199	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:18:00 - [23] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: If they cost 2.25 mil ISK and 15 mil SP to fit. Then you might see 1 a day. That would be balanced. These current sicas would make the Sagaris' shi7 their pants. Completly Disagree, Current Tanks aren't balanced, making them harder to skill and afford creates a vaccum where only those who have been here a while AND have the money can use them. That doesn't make them less overpowered it just means its a guaranteed win for which ever side has the sp sunk tanker. Creating an even worse version of now, because unless you have a tanker on your side, your screwed. Terrible Idea, Never use ISK or SP for balancing. It doesn't solve anything. QFT
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3036	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:28:00 - [24] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: CoD is that way ---> This a game with infantry and vehicular combat, so you want infantry only and vehicles removed which we all know, go back to cod Not really sure why so many people think that I've want vehicles removed, but I'll tell you what told Spkr4TheDead. I have never (beyond trolling and joking) since my arrival on these DUST 514 forums ever said that I want vehicles removed. Nor have I ever once said that I want vehicles nerfed before Uprising 1.7. In layman's terms; "Links or it didn't happen." Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 986	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:01:00 - [25] - Quote Well, there goes the game for us casual players that like to tank. Good luck on your leetist expensive hardcore gameGÇª all five of you. I'm sure CCP will keep developing it for a handful of folks. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 648	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:25:00 - [26] - Quote ladwar wrote: so effective removing a whole role is the only way for it to be balanced... right CoD is that way ----> You nerfed the swarm which is supposed to be a high damage long range missile launcher because that is how all caldari weapons work. You destroyed the swarm for no reason so the same can be said about vehicles. I love vehicles but people like you annoy me. If they dont fix the swarm then they have to make all vehicles super pricey.
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 251	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:40:00 - [27] - Quote Player Market would help balance things via ISK. What we need is for Swarms to be tweaked back up somewhat and for Hardeners to be tweaked down somewhat: - Swarm lock-on range should be 200-250m and damage should be around the 250 mark - Hardeners should have a reduction to active time or an increase to the cooldown time (accompanied by a reworking of the recall mechanic) Personally I don't think that HAV balance is far from what it should be, but there are a few key tweaks that would go a long way.
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution 1430	Posted - 2014.01.05 00:12:00 - [28] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: This right here is a post from an overlord of tank QQ. Saying tanks are OP. ~~Also because Charlotte is the highest level unicorn~~ I'm inclined to listen. Unlike 99% of the community, I want every role to be balanced and rewarding; not just mine. currently AV is not rewarding I don't care quite as much as others do about "tank stomps", though it is an issue. I also don't like how an 80k isk tank is more rewarding than a 200k infantry suit. That is the core of the problem. RISK V REWARD was not fixed for AV/TANKs by 1.7; only reversed. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!


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