DUST Search - [REQUEST] CCP add Riot Shield as an Heavy Weapon.

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Hi guys.
There is several version of heavy suits :
Sentinel : AV suit / Defense of last lines (HMG)
Commando : Pure DPS heavy Suit.

I think we really need an Heavy suit meant to be a real "Tanking suit".
Problem : Making a Heavy suit viable to be a real tanking suit means a REALLY HIGH hp amount and Weapon resistance.
But making that will make this suit well...OP.
And making a suit for "Tanking" means no primary weapon for them...
To resume making a real tanking suit is way too much complicated.
YES a proto heavy bear can tank the damage against 1 or 2 ADV soldier.
And kill them.
But thats not what "tanking" means.
A Tank unit is supposed to have a poor firepower BUT having a HUGE capability of taking bullets.
Able to take firepower from 5-6 units without dying during 5-10sec from front.
BUT unable to kill them all.
So here's a solution to make them able to be "that" TANK.
But without changing the actual suits (Years of balance etcetc...is not a good idea).
Actual heavy wanted to stay like that can.
And heavy who wants to be "that" tank can :

4 NEW HEAVY WEAPONS !!!!!!
Riot (Battle) Shield !

Before thinking than these shield have too much life or too good stats think than they actually can't shoot without swapping weapon to secondary and their role is to Tank damage.
These Shield have a Huge damage Bonus with Melee Hit. (Add damage to the Melee value of the Heavy suit.)
They Cover all the body exept feets and small part of legs. (And the Back)
The FPS view is like when we hack an objective. (The arm).
These Values are for STD.

STD :
Caldari Shield :
1250 Hp (Shield)
50 Hp (Armor)
Shield Recharge Delay : 4 s
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 8s
Shield Recharge Rate : 50 HP/s
Melee Damage Bonus : 100 HP
Armor Repair : 2 Hp/s
Visual : Total Shield.
PG: 12 /CPU: 53

Gallente Shield
300 Hp (Shield)
1000 Hp (Armor)
Shield Recharge Delay : 7 s
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s
Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s
Melee Bonus : 120 hp
Armor Repair : 10 Hp/s (No Delay)
Visual : Full Metal.
PG: 9 /CPU : 53

Minmatarr Shield
600 Hp (Shield)
400 Hp (Armor)
Shield Recharge Delay : 6s
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10s
Shield Recharge Rate :18 HP/s
Melee Bonus : 200
Armor Repair : 5 Hp/s
Visual : Recup materials with 1 or 2 spike.
http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/borderlands2.gamepedia.com/thumb/0/09/Nomad.png/300px-Nomad.png
PG: 5/CPU : 53

Amarr Shield
100 Hp (Shield)
1400 Hp (Armor)
Shield Recharge Delay : 8 s
Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s
Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s
Melee Bonus : 110 Hp
Armor Repair : 3 Hp/s
Visual : Same colour than Amarr weapons with some "gold" shield effect on it.
PG : 15/CPU : 60

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Mordecai Sanguine What The French 243	Posted - 2014.01.04 16:36:00 - [1] - Quote Hi guys. There is several version of heavy suits : Sentinel : AV suit / Defense of last lines (HMG) Commando : Pure DPS heavy Suit. I think we really need an Heavy suit meant to be a real "Tanking suit". Problem : Making a Heavy suit viable to be a real tanking suit means a REALLY HIGH hp amount and Weapon resistance. But making that will make this suit well...OP. And making a suit for "Tanking" means no primary weapon for them... To resume making a real tanking suit is way too much complicated. YES a proto heavy bear can tank the damage against 1 or 2 ADV soldier. And kill them. But thats not what "tanking" means. A Tank unit is supposed to have a poor firepower BUT having a HUGE capability of taking bullets. Able to take firepower from 5-6 units without dying during 5-10sec from front. BUT unable to kill them all. So here's a solution to make them able to be "that" TANK. But without changing the actual suits (Years of balance etcetc...is not a good idea). Actual heavy wanted to stay like that can. And heavy who wants to be "that" tank can : 4 NEW HEAVY WEAPONS !!!!!! Riot (Battle) Shield ! Before thinking than these shield have too much life or too good stats think than they actually can't shoot without swapping weapon to secondary and their role is to Tank damage. These Shield have a Huge damage Bonus with Melee Hit. (Add damage to the Melee value of the Heavy suit.) They Cover all the body exept feets and small part of legs. (And the Back) The FPS view is like when we hack an objective. (The arm). These Values are for STD. STD : Caldari Shield : 1000 Hp (Shield) 100 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 5 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 8s Shield Recharge Rate : 50 HP/s Melee Damage Bonus : 100 HP Armor Repair : 2 Hp/s Visual : Total Shield. PG: 12 /CPU: 53 Gallente Shield 100 Hp (Shield) 1000 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 7 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s Melee Bonus : 120 hp Armor Repair : 10 Hp/s (No Delay) Visual : Full Metal. PG: 9 /CPU : 53 Minmatarr Shield 500 Hp (Shield) 400 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 6s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10s Shield Recharge Rate :18 HP/s Melee Bonus : 200 Armor Repair : 5 Hp/s Visual : Recup materials with 1 or 2 spike. http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/borderlands2.gamepedia.com/thumb/0/09/Nomad.png/300px-Nomad.png PG: 5/CPU : 53 Amarr Shield 650 Hp (Shield) 650 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 6 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s Melee Bonus : 110 Hp Armor Repair : 8 Hp/s Visual : Same colour than Amarr weapons with some "gold" shield effect on it. PG : 15/CPU : 60
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 247	Posted - 2014.01.05 12:34:00 - [2] - Quote up
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 304	Posted - 2014.01.05 13:25:00 - [3] - Quote make an extremely heavily armored heavy suit with a heavy class shotgun like an AA 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8
jerrmy12 kahoalii The Phoenix Federation 224	Posted - 2014.01.05 13:41:00 - [4] - Quote the caldari shield would go down in 2 seconds recuruit link 25 to 30 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typo
Mr m4gic XSKvLLX 43	Posted - 2014.01.05 13:47:00 - [5] - Quote heres an idea, how about a vehicle tht is walker suit, like a big robot suit with missile launchers on the arms and blasters on the shoulders, you would be able to switch between the 2 weapons and stomp around the battlefield wiping out infantry. would look cool aswell. Have you seen my baseball??
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 248	Posted - 2014.01.05 17:50:00 - [6] - Quote demonkiller 12 wrote: make an extremely heavily armored heavy suit with a heavy class shotgun like an AA 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 Useless. It will be outranged too easily. You proposal is like a "Bulldozer" of Payday 2. It will be useless because the Heavy will never come at range as fast. And everyone will use this suit with an another Weapon. Quote: jerrmy12 kahoalii Posted: 2014.01.05 13:41 the caldari shield would go down in 2 seconds That's why he have twice more Shield Regen. This shield is more an "Blast shield" he can save all his squad from grenades spam. And Flux grenades are quite rare. All the "shield" stats are better. It's more like a "regen shield" you stop firing at it you got a bad reload and it got back. And finally that's a STD version.
Piti BoBoss Les baleines sous graviers 2.0 9	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:26:00 - [7] - Quote Good ideas. I'm with you guy!
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 140	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:35:00 - [8] - Quote If were making new suits we need the eve counterparts first. A shield should only pair with a weapon. I.e. Caldari getting a nova sword and a shield. R1 for weapon, L1 for shield shield. Or make the weapons two handed like a golden warhammer for amarr, and the saved CPU/pg that isn't going into weapon operation would boost the suits subsystems. (increasing repair rate, lowering shield recharge delay, etc.) leave riotshields in cod.
Ecshon Autorez Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2014.02.04 04:38:00 - [9] - Quote I saw shield so I couldn't help myself. Recruiter Link thread
zibathy numbertwo Nox Aeterna Security 382	Posted - 2014.02.04 05:51:00 - [10] - Quote amarr are armor tankers not dual tankers. stop it. it should have more armor than the gallente and have 1/4th the regen. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.

Komodo Jones Chaotik Serenity 414	Posted - 2014.02.04 06:02:00 - [11] - Quote These wouldn't last very long. The reason why armor on people is so low compared to vehicles and installations is that people need to move, if you have a solid plate of defense it should be thick and super tanky, I'm talking like 2000-2500 total HP, enough to block fire while walking through an open field or across a hall. Consider also that equipment known as the bubble shield is coming out eventually, exactly what it sounds like, a bubble shield, whether or not this is portable is unclear but it is omnidirectional, a portable omnidirectional shield is something I would consider worth taking up a heavy weapon slot This is a signature. You're now reading it. You may now reply to my post.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 390	Posted - 2014.02.04 16:59:00 - [12] - Quote Komodo Jones wrote: These wouldn't last very long. The reason why armor on people is so low compared to vehicles and installations is that people need to move, if you have a solid plate of defense it should be thick and super tanky, I'm talking like 2000-2500 total HP, enough to block fire while walking through an open field or across a hall. Consider also that equipment known as the bubble shield is coming out eventually, exactly what it sounds like, a bubble shield, whether or not this is portable is unclear but it is omnidirectional, a portable omnidirectional shield is something I would consider worth taking up a heavy weapon slot I got seriously tired of people that DON'T READ THE ENTIRE THREAD. These values are STANDARD LEVEL. You don't expect 4000000hp from a STD protection..... And the Heavy still have lot of life behind.
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 53	Posted - 2014.02.04 18:11:00 - [13] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: make an extremely heavily armored heavy suit with a heavy class shotgun like an AA 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 Useless. It will be outranged too easily. You proposal is like a "Bulldozer" of Payday 2. It will be useless because the Heavy will never come at range as fast. And everyone will use this suit with an another Weapon. Quote: jerrmy12 kahoalii Posted: 2014.01.05 13:41 the caldari shield would go down in 2 seconds That's why he have twice more Shield Regen. This shield is more an "Blast shield" he can save all his squad from grenades spam. And Flux grenades are quite rare. All the "shield" stats are better. It's more like a "regen shield" you stop firing at it you got a bad reload and it got back in the next 5 sec. (50hp/s and only 4 sec to the shield to start regen). And finally that's a STD version. Don't you think the Amarr should have 300HP on Shields & Gallente have 100HP on Shields? because as we all know Gallente can't be bothered with Shield Tech... Join my Corp HERE
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1904	Posted - 2014.02.04 21:46:00 - [14] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: demonkiller 12 wrote: make an extremely heavily armored heavy suit with a heavy class shotgun like an AA 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoUVeyaY_8 Useless. It will be outranged too easily. You proposal is like a "Bulldozer" of Payday 2. It will be useless because the Heavy will never come at range as fast. And everyone will use this suit with an another Weapon. Quote: jerrmy12 kahoalii Posted: 2014.01.05 13:41 the caldari shield would go down in 2 seconds That's why he have twice more Shield Regen. This shield is more an "Blast shield" he can save all his squad from grenades spam. And Flux grenades are quite rare. All the "shield" stats are better. It's more like a "regen shield" you stop firing at it you got a bad reload and it got back in the next 5 sec. (50hp/s and only 4 sec to the shield to start regen). And finally that's a STD version. Don't you think the Amarr should have 300HP on Shields & Gallente have 100HP on Shields? because as we all know Gallente can't be bothered with Shield Tech... The Amarr are more armor heavy then the Gallente. Amarr: Thick Armor and Armor resistances. SLOW! Caldari: Thick Shields and good shield regen. Slowish. Gallente: Armor Based with a focus on Armor Repairers. Decent Speed. Minmatar: Low HP values with a focus on speed. FAST! Yours Truly, Reginald Fizzer94 Delafontaine III, Esquire MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 822	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:34:00 - [15] - Quote I rather have a static shield like in Resistance: Fall of Man.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 457	Posted - 2014.02.04 22:59:00 - [16] - Quote Commandos aren't heavies. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs 370	Posted - 2014.02.04 23:26:00 - [17] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Hi guys. There is several version of heavy suits : Sentinel : AV suit / Defense of last lines (HMG) Commando : Pure DPS heavy Suit. I think we really need an Heavy suit meant to be a real "Tanking suit". Problem : Making a Heavy suit viable to be a real tanking suit means a REALLY HIGH hp amount and Weapon resistance. But making that will make this suit well...OP. And making a suit for "Tanking" means no primary weapon for them... To resume making a real tanking suit is way too much complicated. YES a proto heavy bear can tank the damage against 1 or 2 ADV soldier. And kill them. But thats not what "tanking" means. A Tank unit is supposed to have a poor firepower BUT having a HUGE capability of taking bullets. Able to take firepower from 5-6 units without dying during 5-10sec from front. BUT unable to kill them all. So here's a solution to make them able to be "that" TANK. But without changing the actual suits (Years of balance etcetc...is not a good idea). Actual heavy wanted to stay like that can. And heavy who wants to be "that" tank can : 4 NEW HEAVY WEAPONS !!!!!! Riot (Battle) Shield ! Before thinking than these shield have too much life or too good stats think than they actually can't shoot without swapping weapon to secondary and their role is to Tank damage. These Shield have a Huge damage Bonus with Melee Hit. (Add damage to the Melee value of the Heavy suit.) They Cover all the body exept feets and small part of legs. (And the Back) The FPS view is like when we hack an objective. (The arm). These Values are for STD. STD : Caldari Shield : 1250 Hp (Shield) 50 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 4 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 8s Shield Recharge Rate : 50 HP/s Melee Damage Bonus : 100 HP Armor Repair : 2 Hp/s Visual : Total Shield. PG: 12 /CPU: 53 Gallente Shield 300 Hp (Shield) 1000 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 7 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s Melee Bonus : 120 hp Armor Repair : 10 Hp/s (No Delay) Visual : Full Metal. PG: 9 /CPU : 53 Minmatarr Shield 600 Hp (Shield) 400 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 6s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10s Shield Recharge Rate :18 HP/s Melee Bonus : 200 Armor Repair : 5 Hp/s Visual : Recup materials with 1 or 2 spike. http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/borderlands2.gamepedia.com/thumb/0/09/Nomad.png/300px-Nomad.png PG: 5/CPU : 53 Amarr Shield 100 Hp (Shield) 1400 Hp (Armor) Shield Recharge Delay : 8 s Shield Depleted Recharge Delay : 10 s Shield Recharge Rate : 20 HP/s Melee Bonus : 110 Hp Armor Repair : 3 Hp/s Visual : Same colour than Amarr weapons with some "gold" shield effect on it. PG : 15/CPU : 60 O.O I was just making a heavy riot shield request! +1! (Canceling my new thread) Favorite gear: Duct-tape and Butter knives
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 393	Posted - 2014.02.05 05:56:00 - [18] - Quote Lightning Bolt2 wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: shortened O.O I was just making a heavy riot shield request! +1! (Canceling my new thread) [EDIT] but I do think each riot shield needs to reach 2K EHP exept mimitar. These values are STD level. For a ADV level you can already expect 2000-2500 ehp and 3000-3500 for PRO level. With diffrent values by races. Amarr will won a ton of hp. (+1000 per tier something like that). While gallente would won less (+500) but PRO level got something like 20hp/s of CONSTANT armor repair. Minmatarr could maybe reach 350/400 of (bonus) melee damage making it able to reach 600 of melee damage (Don't get too close of him xD) Caldari would maybe have delay to repair but an huge repair (75hp/s) of his shield etcetc... With movement penality : Amarr : 10% speed penality. Gallente : 8% Caldari : 6% Minmatarr : 0% (Don't forget it stacks with armor plate penality.) Bonus per level on shield : 100 ehp per level. Oh and YES commandos are heavy suits. DPS heavy suits but they are.
Meee One The dyst0pian Corporation Zero-Day 294	Posted - 2014.02.05 10:15:00 - [19] - Quote Already suggested: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1592241#post1592241 I suggest light,medium AND heavy versions though. Next time use the search option. Sexy jutsu Time to jaaam!
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 269	Posted - 2014.02.05 11:30:00 - [20] - Quote +1 although I would double or triple the HP, to make this work the shield would have to take entire clips and laugh it off, you should have to have 4+guys to take down the heavy in under a second OR one guy that plays smart and flanks him.

Mordecai Sanguine What The French 394	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:07:00 - [21] - Quote Meee One wrote: Already suggested: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1592241#post1592241 I suggest light,medium AND heavy versions though. Next time use the search option. Already seen it and NO. and the "already said" when your idea is : 1 - DIFFRENT because i'm totally opposed to light/medium shield. => Pure tanking must be exclusive to Heavy. 2 -No numbers no stats NOTHING. Don't compair your thread and mine when your is maded in 1 min and just throw a random idea.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 394	Posted - 2014.02.05 13:11:00 - [22] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: +1 although I would double or triple the HP, to make this work the shield would have to take entire clips and laugh it off, you should have to have 4+guys to take down the heavy in under a second OR one guy that plays smart and flanks him. It's a STD version. Maybe i'll add some Hp but not twice more when it's just a STD version. The "shield" is not based on just a wall of HP (exept amarr shield). Caldari have a really low delay with HIIIIGH regen. => Stop firing at it 3 sec and you can try again./ Blastproof shield Gallente have high Passive Regen making it able to engage several battles. Minmatarr have a HIIIIIGH melee bonus and no penality of movement. => Get close and you die.


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