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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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Posted - 2014.01.04 09:33:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:The best solution for snipers is to remove the sniper rifle from the game.
Currently 99% of snipers are red line campers who do nothing to support the success of their team of the battle field. The end result of all this sniping is battles that feel empty with teams that are too small (snipers not actually functioning as part of them afterall) to hold or capture points on the battlefield.
Removing snipers would force all those red line players to get much closer to the action which would not only include them in Dust's risk reward mechanic but also force them to support their team inorder to be successful. In this context I am generalizing the word successful to mean both individually and as a team.
CCP would be the "brave developers" who actually got rid fo the useless non-team based sniping mechanic if they did this. The snipers who are team players would easily adapt and join in on the matches with the rest of us. The other snipers would get all their SP refunded and could donate their tears to my breakfast cup.
Most of the people I see circling the MCC and home spawn have AR's on them . Most people who team kill use AR's . Snipers are a known asset in the art of war . Just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean that they are not an asset and provide assistance . Simple bias that's all this is .
CCP removing sniping and watch how many would leave this game . It and AV are already the crappiest roles in the game threw lack of functionality and selection also the maps leave these roles wanting . You have to be a dropship pilot to be a sniper .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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Posted - 2014.01.04 10:58:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:I wasn't thinking for the benefit of me finding snipers. I was trying to think of a fix that might inspire snipers to go provide more area denial and less free kills. That would be best accomplished by giving players some manner of warning a sniper was targeting them (similar to vehicle lockon warnings).
Also, magic space lasers work at any range. ;)
The warning is being shot and if it's not a head shot move and attempt to find cover . There are not too many places that are good sniping spots and that's prob why people redline and not the fact that they don't want to get " their hands dirty " , many have brought up the issue about the maps not being sniper friendly and the reason why dropships are used to reach certain areas but ( not calling anyone out ) I see FG's do the same thing .
People are complaining while this game and the maps are more inclined to favor infantry , not vehicles , not snipers or heavies even .
The only warnings that are needed in the game is and are swarm launcher lock warnings for vehicles . Now that is something needed .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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Posted - 2014.01.04 11:11:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:The point I am making with my earlier comment is entirely retorical and meant to point out some major issues with the way sniping is implemented in the game.
Yes, there are other useless players. Sure, any class can be totally ineffective at helping a team. Of course, there are some snipers that actually do help a team win.
The issue that I am trying to point out, and this is what only one of you seemed to grasp, is that as it stands sniping is the only class of infantry (lets not get started on tanks) who's entire role on the battle field can be preformed adequately while still doing nothing to support the team. Now this is partially CCP's fault in that they have defined the role of the sniper far too narrowly by rewarding them only for killing which is by far the least useful thing that a sniper can do. CCP needs to rebuild the reward mechanic to allow snipers to get points for identifying targets for their team, suppressing targets, and other similar activities.
Additionally the risk reward mechanic needs to be altered. We see more officers sniper rifles on the field than any other officer weapon. This is because there are rewards for sniping that far outway the risks. In fact, for a redline sniper there are almost no risks involved, relative to the risks other infantry take on. If there are no rewards we are going to end up in games with 6 snipers which, while one poster here has identified as beneficial, is typically hugely detrimental to their team. Snipers need to be at more risk to decrease their numbers thus increasing the number of people actually playing in a battle. These changes should affect all people sitting in the redline not just snipers (thus eliminating your redline AR guy issue). A timer that results in clone death if in the redline for too long with be a simple solution to this problem.
I believe and this might just be me but I believe that you see officer sniping weapons used and given out because people don't snipe . I'm a sniper and I only have 12 Thale's but tons of FG's , Shotguns and SMG's now two of those items I don't use or better yet rarely use so that is why I believe they are given in excess like that . That causes people to actually skill into that particular class to have access to that weapon . I can't or wouldn't classify killing enemies as doing nothing to support the team , you might have some that are not as good as others but you have to understand ( which I'm sure you do ) that an AR is used at a closer range as well as most of the weapons so the chances are the hit ratio's are greater than one using a sniper rifle , even more so with the hit detection .
Snipers face risks with counter snipers and hunting squads as well as tanks and every other risks that any class faces . People use dropships to hunt snipers as well so they or rather WE have risks and are some of the most hated in the game bar none .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui
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Posted - 2014.01.04 23:39:00 -
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This back and forth is silly and is going nowhere . Let's act like men and have respect enough to agree to disagree .
We can see what and where each of you stand and I for one can do nothing but respect you both .
The End because you are a sniper and highly skilled , I have seen you in action and can attest .
Mobius because you are sticking to your guns , right or WRONG you are sticking to your guns and people like myself and TheEnd762 can do nothing but prove you wrong and hope one day that you and the rest of the disrespectful naysayers come around and give our class ( Snipers ) the respect that is due .
It's bound to happen sooner rather than later .
" BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
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