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kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:54:00 -
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I think you're looking for the wrong thing, Zatara. You shouldn't be looking for people that can beat you; you should be looking for a collection of corps that need a "point to their spear."
From what I know, you guys have the talent to be that point, but when you have a collection of too much talent--too many Michael Jordans, so to speak--the alliance will fall apart.
Just like with building any sports team, you have to have talent, but then you also have to have the role players. You have to have the guy that wants the ball with 2 seconds left, but you also need the guy to get him the ball, and you need the guy willing to set the pick to get him open.
This is one of the flaws I've seen since my time in Dust. And I've been here since beta.
My two cents. |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.04 00:00:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:kiarbanor wrote:I think you're looking for the wrong thing, Zatara. You shouldn't be looking for people that can beat you; you should be looking for a collection of corps that need a "point to their spear."
From what I know, you guys have the talent to be that point, but when you have a collection of too much talent--too many Michael Jordans, so to speak--the alliance will fall apart.
Just like with building any sports team, you have to have talent, but then you also have to have the role players. You have to have the guy that wants the ball with 2 seconds left, but you also need the guy to get him the ball, and you need the guy willing to set the pick to get him open.
This is one of the flaws I've seen since my time in Dust. And I've been here since beta.
My two cents. I could be wrong, as I am very often, but I would assert the Imps machine, and EoN in general as proof you can amass several corps capable of competing on the same level. It's not the "A" team that wins war, it's the b, c, and d teams that are crucial. My corp is 40 days old, surely many other corps can recruit better in 6-12+ months than this poor scrub. 1/2 my corp is unknown talent I found watching pubs. I'm not calling out anyone, I respect every corp that's posted they will fight. But if I can't trust you with having my back, what do you bring to the table I can't find elsewhere? Does every corp need to be better than us? No. But does one need to be competitive with us, I sure hope so. And I'll wake me guys up at 4 am or make them get on at noon if you're corp has odd ass hours where the a-team is on to fight you.
Ah, I knew you'd bring those two examples to the table. Good ones, but it all depends on what you're looking for. Where are EoN and the Imps now? Sure, they dominated while in existence, but the flame burnt bright and then extinguished. So, are you looking for that , or are you looking to be part of something that lasts? I can't see the "all-star" alliances lasting because the game becomes boring and no one wants to test you.
I, personally, have no stake in this. However, I can't help but share my opinion. Thanks for listening. If nothing else, I've bumped you up to the top. :) |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.04 02:48:00 -
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I'm not starting anything with you, Zatara, just stating an opinion. And simply because my opinion differs from yours does not mean it's silly. My opinion is that EoN and the Imps fell apart because the game became stale and boring.
And the reason the game became stale and boring was because they won. They gathered all the best players and best corps, beat PC, and then left. It's just like any game you play; you win, it is no longer exciting because you won, and then you put it on the shelf.
If Dust was kept competitive, especially PC, people would continue to play, even through the issues. Isn't it interesting the corps of EoN and the Imps were around since early beta, working through all the broken mechanics, but then they both fell apart after winning PC?
Besides fixing obvious issues, competitiveness is the key to making Dust last. If there isn't fair and reasonable competition, everyone loses interest.
Just my silly opinion. Good luck with your search, and bump to the top. |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.04 06:16:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:kiarbanor wrote:I'm not starting anything with you, Zatara, just stating an opinion. And simply because my opinion differs from yours does not mean it's silly. My opinion is that EoN and the Imps fell apart because the game became stale and boring.
And the reason the game became stale and boring was because they won. They gathered all the best players and best corps, beat PC, and then left. It's just like any game you play; you win, it is no longer exciting because you won, and then you put it on the shelf.
If Dust was kept competitive, especially PC, people would continue to play, even through the issues. Isn't it interesting the corps of EoN and the Imps were around since early beta, working through all the broken mechanics, but then they both fell apart after winning PC?
Besides fixing obvious issues, competitiveness is the key to making Dust last. If there isn't fair and reasonable competition, everyone loses interest.
Just my silly opinion. Good luck with your search, and bump to the top. Apologies is me feeling your assessment was silly was taken offensively, it was insensitive and unintended. However, i never said your opinion was silly because it differed from my own. I listed other reasons. From someone intimate with your observations I can see your point about EoN winning the game. But I'd disagree with Imps, they hardly "won" PC in any sense. They simply abandoned PC after making a chunk of change smacking STB and then lost to TP with the few remaining imps left and were pissed because PC1.0 was a laggy bullshit gamemode they couldn't fathom playing over other games...the rest of us in TP didn't mind and continued playing. AE wasn't any less a threat to TP when we quit for FFIVX, we just didn't care because we'd already won, and the game did in fact get boring. So i'd tend to agree with one of the 1 examples. Which is your point I missed. You're suggesting that joining an alliance on our level is to accomplish what EoN did. Which I understand, but you must know I'm the guy that fielded offers and decided to build my own corp. If I was trying to build a mega alliance I'd blue up with the best corps. Which i'm not. Asking for another team on our young level is not my attempt at building 7 corps of utter awesome. I just don't like not having one other team I trust with our back. That was something I took for granted from EoN. and I continue to believe in the efficaciousness.
Good points, and good philosophy. |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:30:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:kiarbanor wrote:
Good points, and good philosophy.
Why have not encountered of of the few sensible people on dust before? You have been hiding my friend. ;) Come squad up with me sometime if you get a minute. I'm in RND's pub channel or OH's if you're on.
I've been around for a very long time, but these forums are toxic (for the most part). It's hard to have "adult" conversations--which the game and player base need--without somebody coming in and saying something with the only purpose to either derail the conversation or call someone names.
And same to you about squading up. If I'm on, you'll find me in the 7 EC channel. |
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