DUST Search - What's up with the Matari scout's melee?

m twiggz wrote:

Sinboto Simmons wrote:

Vulpes Dolosus wrote:

You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes.

You're punching said suit with another suit, with just as much protection, with extreme force it's like hitting a steel sheet with a sledgehammer in that regard: both hard, but one's coming in with force.

Edit: in any case if the blues want the melee to be useless then atleast remove the Matari scout's bonuses to it, the rifles kill to quickly for it to be of much use barring finishing someone off , if I want to kill someone in CQC that's what my blades are for, the melee simply takes too long.

I do admit the nova knives are a bit useless and broken. With that being said they shouldn't be an insta-kill weapon either. 289 melee damage seems to be quite fine given how fast you move. I see more and more scouts rushing into combat instead of picking off stragglers and flanking. Perhaps that's your issue as well? I recall seeing you in an ambush the other day where you ran head first into a group of enemies who were plastering you with bullets. I'm not dictating your entire play style on that one action but that's definitely the number one thing scouts should not do.

If anything they just need better hit detection (please not like the commando perk in CoD: MW2) and perhaps a bit more damage for the Minmatar Scout class. I could see them being a bit more capable at a modest 300 melee damage fully specced out with mods. That would mean 2-3 hit kills on almost anything but a heavy. Proper use of flux grenades/locus and you could one hit just about anything that's not a heavy.

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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3620	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:04:00 - [1] - Quote I mean they're aparently supposed to be one of the best hand to hand combat specialist in New Eden, even have a bonus for it, but their base melee damage is tiny and with ony 3 high slots, on a sheild tanked suit, you're not going to be throwing many haymakers...... Something that was overlooked or what? Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 568	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:11:00 - [2] - Quote You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes. Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 4; Pythons: 1; Other DS: 28 Gêå1; Tanks: 27 Gêå2 1/1
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3620	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:16:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes. You're punching said suit with another suit, with just as much protection, with extreme force it's like hitting a steel sheet with a sledgehammer in that regard: both hard, but one's coming in with force. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Tech De Ra Electronic Sports League 240	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:20:00 - [4] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes. Cal logi and minny assaults can reach nearly 600 melee damage, commandos just under 700 While the minny scout can reach 412, it does so without having any slots for shield or armor mods, so you're generally going to be at 289 or less Tech De Ra // Electronic Sports League Games Co-ordinator
Callidus Vanus State Patriots 178	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:39:00 - [5] - Quote Nova knifes bro. If you are reading this then you are on the forums, leave immediately to retain your enjoyment of Dust 514.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 223	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:40:00 - [6] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes. You're punching said suit with another suit, with just as much protection, with extreme force it's like hitting a steel sheet with a sledgehammer in that regard: both hard, but one's coming in with force. Edit: in any case if the blues want the melee to be useless then atleast remove the Matari scout's bonuses to it, the rifles kill to quickly for it to be of much use barring finishing someone off , if I want to kill someone in CQC that's what my blades are for, the melee simply takes too long. I do admit the nova knives are a bit useless and broken. With that being said they shouldn't be an insta-kill weapon either. 289 melee damage seems to be quite fine given how fast you move. I see more and more scouts rushing into combat instead of picking off stragglers and flanking. Perhaps that's your issue as well? I recall seeing you in an ambush the other day where you ran head first into a group of enemies who were plastering you with bullets. I'm not dictating your entire play style on that one action but that's definitely the number one thing scouts should not do. If anything they just need better hit detection (please not like the commando perk in CoD: MW2) and perhaps a bit more damage for the Minmatar Scout class. I could see them being a bit more capable at a modest 300 melee damage fully specced out with mods. That would mean 2-3 hit kills on almost anything but a heavy. Proper use of flux grenades/locus and you could one hit just about anything that's not a heavy.
m twiggz Pradox One Proficiency V. 223	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:42:00 - [7] - Quote Double post fail.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3623	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:55:00 - [8] - Quote m twiggz wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: You realize you're trying to punch through a futuristic, high-tech suit built to take rounds of searing hot plasma, brain scrambling laser beams, missiles, explosions, and bullets, right? I'm surprised punching someone does any damage at all, even with our merc's super-human attributes. You're punching said suit with another suit, with just as much protection, with extreme force it's like hitting a steel sheet with a sledgehammer in that regard: both hard, but one's coming in with force. Edit: in any case if the blues want the melee to be useless then atleast remove the Matari scout's bonuses to it, the rifles kill to quickly for it to be of much use barring finishing someone off , if I want to kill someone in CQC that's what my blades are for, the melee simply takes too long. I do admit the nova knives are a bit useless and broken. With that being said they shouldn't be an insta-kill weapon either. 289 melee damage seems to be quite fine given how fast you move. I see more and more scouts rushing into combat instead of picking off stragglers and flanking. Perhaps that's your issue as well? I recall seeing you in an ambush the other day where you ran head first into a group of enemies who were plastering you with bullets. I'm not dictating your entire play style on that one action but that's definitely the number one thing scouts should not do. If anything they just need better hit detection (please not like the commando perk in CoD: MW2) and perhaps a bit more damage for the Minmatar Scout class. I could see them being a bit more capable at a modest 300 melee damage fully specced out with mods. That would mean 2-3 hit kills on almost anything but a heavy. Proper use of flux grenades/locus and you could one hit just about anything that's not a heavy. Don't touch my blades. If you saw me running into a bunch of hostiles I was most likely: A: Dicking around. B:In a basic suit. C:Loosing and decided if I'm going down they were getting REed. D: Not paying attention. E: Dicking around. As for the bonus for the melee I'd be happy with a 200 or so base, just a random number but dammit it needs some kinda increase. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 2500	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:57:00 - [9] - Quote lol. the melee bonus. I forget it's there. What a useless bonus. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1063	Posted - 2014.01.03 19:59:00 - [10] - Quote the irony is my commando suit has GREAT melee damage, and gets no bonus.

Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1862	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:01:00 - [11] - Quote I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3080	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:01:00 - [12] - Quote Yeah, but the Minmatar Scout can punch multiple times without needing to use a Cardiac regulator. So although a Minmatar scout an not match a Commando on a punch to punch basis, a Minmatar Scout can throw out way more punches. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 3080	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:05:00 - [13] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. Hell naw man! Nova Knives are fine damage wise. Something like love, something like hope. Something like beautiful, something I wrote GùòGÇ+Gå+
DrDoktor PiZzA DuDeS 9	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:13:00 - [14] - Quote Give me the ability to do a dive kick ccp, better yet something along the lines of a falcon punch. Seriously surprised my minmatar scout doesn't have some high crit for striking the head with melees. Or better given a stun attack if a successful melee from behind, something that shows off martial art prowess. but alas I'll leave that suit to gather rust along within the archives of my unused weaponery But then people would get mad.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1862	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Yeah, but the Minmatar Scout can punch multiple times without needing to use a Cardiac regulator. So although a Minmatar scout an not match a Commando on a punch to punch basis, a Minmatar Scout can throw out way more punches. It's not like easy to land a punch though, I'd rather do one and be done then try to land several for crappy dmg. As for the dmg, they are a bit weak considering you need a few dmg mods+the bonus from the suit to 1-2 suits. I mean to have to be within half a meter to hurt someone with it. I'm not a nova knife user, or Matari scout but that's my .02 isk anyway. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 601	Posted - 2014.01.03 20:19:00 - [16] - Quote Are you still suprised by misleading things in DUST? How long do you play this game?
mollerz Minja Scouts 1542	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:18:00 - [17] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. Hell naw man! Nova Knives are fine damage wise. The base damage is fine by me, but he's saying why are sidearm damage mods applied to knives when myrofybril would make more sense, as it were. Basically CCP isn't making sense in this area. A knife attack is a melee attack. It probably has to do with some draconian programming. shrug. Why doesn't the H2H skill not also bestow a dam modifier? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Ralden Caster Omega Elite Mercs INC. 5	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:22:00 - [18] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. Nova Knives do get benefits from myofibril... And now the Forge Gun is little more than a dust collector, no pun intended.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7412	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:23:00 - [19] - Quote It's a scout. Did you expect it to be good? Frankly, if you're not dying 100% of the time before you get into melee range that suit is probably overpowered for the scout class. Level 7 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
mollerz Minja Scouts 1542	Posted - 2014.01.03 21:28:00 - [20] - Quote Ralden Caster wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. Nova Knives do get benefits from myofibril... False. Myrofybril only affects punch damage. Sidearm damage mods affects KNs. Weird right? You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3628	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:09:00 - [21] - Quote mollerz wrote: Ralden Caster wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: I'm not sure why the Nova Knife only gets a bonus from sidearm mods, it should get something from the myrofib thing as well. Not to mention the Minny Scout should have a higher base melee attack and have the bonus apply to both the knives and melee strikes. Let them be quite assassins. Nova Knives do get benefits from myofibril... False. Myrofybril only affects punch damage. Sidearm damage mods affects KNs. Weird right? indeed. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Sylwester Dziewiecki Interregnum. 225	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:14:00 - [22] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I mean they're aparently supposed to be one of the best hand to hand combat specialist in New Eden, even have a bonus for it, but their base melee damage is tiny and with ony 3 high slots, on a sheild tanked suit, you're not going to be throwing many haymakers...... Something that was overlooked or what? Edit: the discription for this suit is extremely misleading. There's just 2 racial Scout suits, they are not yet in place where they suppose to be. In EVE Minmatar ships are the fastest ones, in Dust there is no way to make Minmatar Scout sprinting faster than Gallante one. I'm here since may 2012, my EVE alter ego is Nosum Hseebnrido.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3387	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:38:00 - [23] - Quote I know from experience that you OHK almost any suit if you have a decent level in minmatar scout suits and ishukone nova knives. Damn, I miss when knives were viable. Doing real scouting is pretty enjoyable, but it doesn't have the same thrill as carving people up and jumping over their heads. We used to have a time machine
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 80	Posted - 2014.01.04 05:30:00 - [24] - Quote I thought knives stacked ontop of ur melee dmg, no? I was going to ask whether myofbrilwatevas or sidearm dmg mods were better, easy choice if they don't. Less QQ more PewPew
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3641	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:09:00 - [25] - Quote jordy mack wrote: I thought knives stacked ontop of ur melee dmg, no? I was going to ask whether myofbrilwatevas or sidearm dmg mods were better, easy choice if they don't. They do not. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2789	Posted - 2014.01.04 08:12:00 - [26] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I mean they're aparently supposed to be one of the best hand to hand combat specialist in New Eden, even have a bonus for it, but their base melee damage is tiny and with ony 3 high slots, on a sheild tanked suit, you're not going to be throwing many haymakers...... Something that was overlooked or what? Edit: the discription for this suit is extremely misleading. Lol, were you expecting it to be well thought out in a game where you can get skill bonuses for weapons that don't exist. No.
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3705	Posted - 2014.01.06 12:08:00 - [27] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: I mean they're aparently supposed to be one of the best hand to hand combat specialist in New Eden, even have a bonus for it, but their base melee damage is tiny and with ony 3 high slots, on a sheild tanked suit, you're not going to be throwing many haymakers...... Something that was overlooked or what? Edit: the discription for this suit is extremely misleading. Lol, were you expecting it to be well thought out in a game where you can get skill bonuses for weapons that don't exist. shush you. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
iceyburnz Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 1251	Posted - 2014.01.06 13:07:00 - [28] - Quote There is an easteregg in dust. If you jump on an enemies head you Koopa them. I wish I was making it up. "We spent so much time huddling inside buildings with tanks circling outside like a swarm of sharks around bait"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3716	Posted - 2014.01.06 17:58:00 - [29] - Quote iceyburnz wrote: There is an easteregg in dust. If you jump on an enemies head you Koopa them. I wish I was making it up. I wish you weren't. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2367	Posted - 2014.01.06 18:24:00 - [30] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: iceyburnz wrote: There is an easteregg in dust. If you jump on an enemies head you Koopa them. I wish I was making it up. I wish you weren't. I landed on a heavy's head once and stayed there until he moved. True story. // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana



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