DUST Search - tank weapons have too long a range

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

lee corwood wrote:

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

Oh, boohoo, Railguns can shoot me dead at over 500 meters, so unfair... Cry

Guess what? Modern-day tank guns have an effective range of over 4,000 meters with relatively standard ammunition, with certain specialty munitions giving them over 8,000 meters of range. These aren't guns designed for artillery, no, they're the same guns used in most main-battle tanks (Leopard 2s, M1A1 Abrams, etc).

So, tell me, what's wrong with Large Railgun Turrets having over 500 meters of effective range? That's an eighth of what you see on modern tanks. Prototype Rail Rifles have an effective range of slightly over 100 meters, compared to most modern assault rifles that have an effective range of over 500 meters, which is a fifth. Tell me, why should railgun turrets have a lower fraction of the range of their modern equivalent than a handheld railgun?

for one, this is a fantasy game. nothing is really held to standards of the real thing, so we really need to stop using that as a comparison.

Then let's all stop calling them "tanks".

Until people stop calling them tanks, I reserve the right to compare them with real-life tanks.


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ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 714	Posted - 2014.01.03 01:53:00 - [1] - Quote was teamed up just a few mins ago to take on some tanks. 4 forge guns and 2 swarms and i noticed that they just sat there at 300+m with their blasters firing quite accurately at me almost insta killing me most of the time and managing to kill most of my av squad it appears to me that tank weaponry now has too long a range. if swarms cant deny any ground because tanks can shoot from outside it and forge guns can easily be dodged at range. and re/proxy and grenades are useless if the tanks dont come close then surely a range reduction on tank weapons is warrented to bring them into the fight and not have them sitting safe outside most av range if av has had range reductions to force them into cqc with tanks then surely tank weaponry should meet the same fate to bring them into cqc with infantry. they should atleast have a 25-50% range reduction to discourage sniping from afarr. the best tankers are all close range anyway so this shouldn't affect them too much https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 717	Posted - 2014.01.03 09:52:00 - [2] - Quote they should apply this to installation turrets also. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 718	Posted - 2014.01.03 10:44:00 - [3] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: they should apply this to installation turrets also. Disagree. Installation turrets are stationary, usually placed in inconvenient locations, and are one of the few viable methods for infantry to take out tanks and dropships. the problem is if you reduce tank turret range how do you take out turrets. sure they are one of the few viable ways to take out tanks but to not allow tankers to take them out would just make for long tank qq threads to appear and ultimately would not be balanced. it would also be nice if a single redline rail wasn't capable of taking out 50% of the turrets on the map before the first objective is taken meaning more turrets still alive to use against these tanks https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 721	Posted - 2014.01.03 17:42:00 - [4] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: lee corwood wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Oh, boohoo, Railguns can shoot me dead at over 500 meters, so unfair... Guess what? Modern-day tank guns have an effective range of over 4,000 meters with relatively standard ammunition, with certain specialty munitions giving them over 8,000 meters of range. These aren't guns designed for artillery, no, they're the same guns used in most main-battle tanks (Leopard 2s, M1A1 Abrams, etc). So, tell me, what's wrong with Large Railgun Turrets having over 500 meters of effective range? That's an eighth of what you see on modern tanks. Prototype Rail Rifles have an effective range of slightly over 100 meters, compared to most modern assault rifles that have an effective range of over 500 meters, which is a fifth. Tell me, why should railgun turrets have a lower fraction of the range of their modern equivalent than a handheld railgun? for one, this is a fantasy game. nothing is really held to standards of the real thing, so we really need to stop using that as a comparison. Then let's all stop calling them "tanks". Until people stop calling them tanks, I reserve the right to compare them with real-life tanks. fair enough. you want balance based on RL tanks. increase the cost back to what they were before 1.7, return swarms to their old range but decrease costs by 75%, increase all damage on av so they can kill all tanks with 1 shot. thats rl balance right there for you... as you see its not as simple as that https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 730	Posted - 2014.01.04 02:05:00 - [5] - Quote forget the installations for now then and concentrate on the vehicles. there is a distinct advantage for them over everything else https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 734	Posted - 2014.01.04 14:17:00 - [6] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Modern AV can pop most tanks in 1 hit. Want me to 1 shot wonder your tank? Modern assault rifles can pop most heads in 1 hit. Want me to 1-shot wonder your dropsuit? i think thats the point he is trying to make. you can't base it on rl because it just doesn't fit in with dust but on the other hand it does need some element of realistic balance https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find