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maka rax
Space Road Truckers.
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:05:00 -
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Hey there,
So yeah, cloaks. I suggest they NOT actually make you invisible (hang in there), but rather make you harder to see.
Basically, have it be a passive module by default...or even built into the scout suit. It's effects would make the description of the scout suit actually make sense. Where it BLENDS the scout, and the amount of blend is based on your view distance vs the scouts skill.
So, say a lvl 1 scout has a view range of 100m. Anything father than that they are basically invisible. Other end, say lvl 5 scout they are only visible within 50m. - (A scope would modify view range).
For this whole "Active Cloak" thing:
Have active cloak eat up your stamina AND have a re-activation timer. Then it's more for actual sneaking, not hyper invis jump from the rooftop sprint with knives - fest. More so, get you out of a jam when backed in a corner from a med suit or sneaking around. |
Breakin Stuff
Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:59:00 -
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maka rax wrote:Hey there,
So yeah, cloaks. I suggest they NOT actually make you invisible (hang in there), but rather make you harder to see.
Basically, have it be a passive module by default...or even built into the scout suit. It's effects would make the description of the scout suit actually make sense. Where it BLENDS the scout, and the amount of blend is based on your view distance vs the scouts skill.
So, say a lvl 1 scout has a view range of 100m. Anything father than that they are basically invisible. Other end, say lvl 5 scout they are only visible within 50m. - (A scope would modify view range).
For this whole "Active Cloak" thing:
Have active cloak eat up your stamina AND have a re-activation timer. Then it's more for actual sneaking, not hyper invis jump from the rooftop sprint with knives - fest. More so, get you out of a jam when backed in a corner from a med suit or sneaking around.
you're basically describing active camo, or the invis shield from crysis or predator.
CCP has stated they do not intend for cloaks to be perfect invisibility.
We shall see if they deliver. |
Akdhar Saif
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:06:00 -
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But what about scan resolution? It would be good to have such a camo but what happens when your enemy scans you down and they can still see your red arrow?
I personally think the Cloak should make you invisible from scanners, active and passive. |
Alam Storm
Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.01.02 21:12:00 -
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maka rax wrote:Hey there,
So yeah, cloaks. I suggest they NOT actually make you invisible (hang in there), but rather make you harder to see.
Basically, have it be a passive module by default...or even built into the scout suit. It's effects would make the description of the scout suit actually make sense. Where it BLENDS the scout, and the amount of blend is based on your view distance vs the scouts skill.
So, say a lvl 1 scout has a view range of 100m. Anything father than that they are basically invisible. Other end, say lvl 5 scout they are only visible within 50m. - (A scope would modify view range).
For this whole "Active Cloak" thing:
Have active cloak eat up your stamina AND have a re-activation timer. Then it's more for actual sneaking, not hyper invis jump from the rooftop sprint with knives - fest. More so, get you out of a jam when backed in a corner from a med suit or sneaking around.
what about a type of cloak you get from killzone if you walk it doesnt effect the cloak if you run it ripples making you easy to see but soon as you stop give it a second and it will re cloak you and if you get shot or hit it dis ables the cloak completely say 15 seconds
enemies can use scanners and spot you unless you have dampeners on but they will have to rely souly on the radar even enough an enemy cant see you they can still notice you when the cross hair goes red so basicly they have to rely on other stuff to spot you other then sight |
maka rax
Space Road Truckers.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 13:24:00 -
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Yeah, active camo! At the very least, it's a good way to introduce a "hiding" system w/o ccp's usual "Here's something completely OP, as soon as you get used to it we'll nerf it to obliteration."
I think scanners should not be impacted by the "active camo". There's already a mechanism for that (scan profile). A high level scout will already have this number pretty low and will often not be scanned down. Possibly, if there IS such a type of full cloak then yeah it should make them completely immune to active scanners. That just makes sense (if they go that direction).
A move penalty is a must, weather making the cloak less effective or reducing the up time of the cloak. Crazy fast cloak scouts should be avoided at all costs I think. And yeah, you shouldn't be able to cloak if you've just gotten hit or would be taken out of cloak if you did get hit. |
Heavy Smurf
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.04 14:53:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:But what about scan resolution? It would be good to have such a camo but what happens when your enemy scans you down and they can still see your red arrow?
I personally think the Cloak should make you invisible from scanners, active and passive. Great then matches would never end with a clone out... just thirty two people running around the map like some crazy military marathon. |
demonkiller 12
G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:37:00 -
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Heavy Smurf wrote:Akdhar Saif wrote:But what about scan resolution? It would be good to have such a camo but what happens when your enemy scans you down and they can still see your red arrow?
I personally think the Cloak should make you invisible from scanners, active and passive. Great then matches would never end with a clone out... just thirty two people running around the map like some crazy military marathon. no because people would still go for the tankier suit and just have a scanner in their squad.... but youd definitely have fun ******* with the lonewolves :D |
Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:16:00 -
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CCP has stated that cloaks will make you, from a visual perspective, completely invisible.
However, you'll still be able to be scanned if you aren't sufficiently dampened.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:09:00 -
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According to the Dev blogs, you will be visually invisible but only to an extent.
Source: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/03/equipment-is-your-friend/
Quote: The second item is a Cloaking Field. This sneaky bit of kit will not only make you (almost) invisible to other combatants, it will also blind turret AI targeting systems. It isnGÇÖt perfect invisibility, scanners will still pick you up if you havenGÇÖt masked your signal well enough, motion will disrupt the field to some extent and weapon fire will cause the field to shut down. This means it will take some skill to use to its maximum potential. This item is going to be a real game changer, particularly for Scout dropsuits which have been screaming out for stealth gear.
Source: http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/12/interview-with-ccp-remnant/
Quote: 6. Where do you plan on taking the Scout class? What specific roles do you see it playing on the battlefield? by Knight Soiaire, BurgezzE.T.F, DUST 514 Forums
Alas, poor Scout, I knew him!
The ScoutGÇÖs not gotten too much love in recent months. What started out as a bullet-strafing monster back in Chromosome has slowly been marginalized as other aspects of the game have been worked on and improved. IGÇÖm happy to say that soon the Scout class should be wholly rejuvenated (or at the very least, be in a much better place). The introduction of cloaking equipment and revamped bonuses should help the Scout find his rightful place in the battlefield hierarchy. To me, the Scout role has always been about creating a disruptive force on the battlefield. HeGÇÖs the guy that can cover enough ground quickly enough to get drop uplinks into the right places (that is, if everyone didnGÇÖt carry one, but more on that later), hack objectives back, disperse squad members (nothing makes people scatter faster than a KC-amped shotgunner) and generally make a nuisance of himself.
The Scout role will get very high PG/CPU bonuses to fitting cloak equipment, making it just about the only role that can feasibly fit a cloak field without having to sacrifice the rest of its fit. Individual race skill bonuses will create opportunities for cloaked scouts to scan further and longer than other dropsuits, to have less GÇ£shimmerGÇ¥ as they move, and have lower innate scan profiles so that they can be visually and electronically invisible. These should help create more useful assassins, intel gatherers, and saboteurs. And in time, the introduction of additional Scout specializations will be added to further push the boundaries of the little Light Suit That Could.
As you can see, scouts are meant to take full advantage of the cloak while still having to deal with drawbacks. Please recall that there is that one proto active scanner that is so powerful that only one particular suit is capable of evading it: the Gallente Scout Gk.0 and you'll need all four complex dampeners fitted to avoid this powerful scanner.
But honestly, I prefer to see a variety of cloak types. Not just one cloak type. But before you continue reading, I suggest going to my thread that provides a detailed suggestion for how to best implement the predator-style cloak. I'll see what I can think of the other cloak types.
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1643176#post1643176
Imagine:
Predator-Style Cloak Visually invisible but still able to be scanned if your profile is not low enough. Has cool down timer (see my thread linked above for details).
Octopus-Style Cloak Visually changes the color of your suit to match the environment and hides your chevron until your are scanned. No cool down timer.
Spy Cloak Visually changes the color of your chevron to that of the enemy so that you can sneak up and kill them without being suspected. But an active scanner can still reveal you. Has cool down timer.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:12:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:I personally think the Cloak should make you invisible from scanners, active and passive.
Only if your profile dampening is low enough. Otherwise, the cloak will definitely become OP upon arrival and scanners become useless.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Suanar Daranaus
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:21:00 -
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No to Cloaks |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:12:00 -
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Suanar Daranaus wrote:No to Cloaks
It's coming whether you like it or not. Don't think 20,000 years into the future wouldn't result in someone making a cloak.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Draco Cerberus
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:25:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Suanar Daranaus wrote:No to Cloaks It's coming whether you like it or not. Don't think 20,000 years into the future wouldn't result in someone making a cloak. TBH, I am surprised we still use LAVs that don't have suspensions to get around in, and welcome your 3 types of cloaks, they look interesting.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:52:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Suanar Daranaus wrote:No to Cloaks It's coming whether you like it or not. Don't think 20,000 years into the future wouldn't result in someone making a cloak. TBH, I am surprised we still use LAVs that don't have suspensions to get around in, and welcome your 3 types of cloaks, they look interesting.
The spy cloak is an idea I borrowed after seeing my brother play Team Fortress.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Spectre-M
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:24:00 -
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I liked the various cloaking watches in TF2. Delay the activation/deactivation with a neo com animation like hacking. Disguises and cloaking makes for some great E-warfare.
I'm just worried about invisible snipers. To attack or fire, you would have to decloak, in which case the noise of the field activating/deactivating maybe alerts nearby enemies within earshot. It would help keep it tactical and not just a camping tool for objectives.
No actions taken while cloaked. Running creates a shimmer.
Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist
Minnmatar in Amarr Armor
I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.04 22:28:00 -
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Spectre-M wrote:I liked the various cloaking watches in TF2. Delay the activation/deactivation with a neo com animation like hacking. Disguises and cloaking makes for some great E-warfare.
I'm just worried about invisible snipers. To attack or fire, you would have to decloak, in which case the noise of the field activating/deactivating maybe alerts nearby enemies within earshot. It would help keep it tactical and not just a camping tool for objectives.
No actions taken while cloaked. Running creates a shimmer.
According to the dev blogs, you'll have to decloak first to use a weapon. If a sound effect is made when decloaking, then anyone within earshot and wearing a decent headset should be able to pinpoint their location. Again, active scanners will play a role in finding them as well.
You'd be surprised how easy it is to pinpoint a sniper with hearing alone when you're wearing a headset. I have done that before and I was able to find a few snipers without needing any scanner to do so. The trick is finding out which area they are likely to be in.
As for redline sniping, if this is done in FW, then teamkillers will deal with them.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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