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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.02 04:18:00 -
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I believe in UFO's and have been a witness. There is millions of planets that are in the Goldilocks zone and it is only a matter of time before we find a planet like ours. There is not only space we need to look for existence of life, there are other dimensions as well. So the question is are you a believer or do you feel we are alone? If we are alone, that only points to one conclusion and that is we are a simulation or a program in a much larger program.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:26:00 -
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...but the real question is:
Why do they use all this tech and cover all this distance only to play with our butts?
Humans have the greatest butts in the universe?!
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:31:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I believe in UFO's and have been a witness. There is millions of planets that are in the Goldilocks zone and it is only a matter of time before we find a planet like ours. There is not only space we need to look for existence of life, there are other dimensions as well. So the question is are you a believer or do you feel we are alone? If we are alone, that only points to one conclusion and that is we are a simulation or a program in a much larger program.
Simulation? There is no simulation.
Eve Online is Ender's Game.
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IVIaster LUKE
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:32:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:...but the real question is:
Why do they use all this tech and cover all this distance only to play with our butts?
Humans have the greatest butts in the universe?!
Man....that's DAMM funny!
P.s. I think Sir mix-a lot is an alien.
"If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
1684
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:36:00 -
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Cats are an alien race that took over mankind.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.02 05:50:00 -
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Proof
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.02 20:15:00 -
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Anarchide wrote:...but the real question is:
Why do they use all this tech and cover all this distance only to play with our butts?
Humans have the greatest butts in the universe?!
One thought is to why they come to our planet is the same as to why we go into jungles and forest. We are there to map to new species and learn from them. There is an estimate 11 other alien species that have visited our planet, not all are here to probe us. Look at ancient civilizations and you will see all the proof you need of visitations in the past.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
717
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:01:00 -
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I've always believed that there are probably aliens out there but the vast distances between stars makes me feel it is extremely unlikely that they've ever visited here. Not to mention we've only been broadcasting out into space for a short time so picking up our transmissions isn't really probable as on a galactic scale 100 lightyears or so is infinitesimally tiny.
Also there is really strong evidence that life exists out there in at least bacteriological form as a lot of the signs point to life on earth originating from organic material brought here by an asteroid.
Again, I'm a strong believer that other life is out there but I think the odds of them stumbling onto this tiny corner of the galaxy to be incredibly small and unlikely. But to say there is no other life in the universe is equally small minded as far as I'm concerned.
"STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.03 04:41:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:I've always believed that there are probably aliens out there but the vast distances between stars makes me feel it is extremely unlikely that they've ever visited here. Not to mention we've only been broadcasting out into space for a short time so picking up our transmissions isn't really probable as on a galactic scale 100 lightyears or so is infinitesimally tiny.
Also there is really strong evidence that life exists out there in at least bacteriological form as a lot of the signs point to life on earth originating from organic material brought here by an asteroid.
Again, I'm a strong believer that other life is out there but I think the odds of them stumbling onto this tiny corner of the galaxy to be incredibly small and unlikely. But to say there is no other life in the universe is equally small minded as far as I'm concerned.
I agree our transmission may or may not have been received due to a lot of factors. History has shown us that we have been visited in the past. Religious text from different cultures all speak of flying craft and shinning beings that were also known as angels or demigods. The reason we have not been visited on a broad scale in my opinion is due to our cultures. Society would rip itself apart in many ways. If another form of life was to appear almost all religions would be undone or needed to be reexamined in some fashion. Money would become obsolete, for technology would feel all our needs. Life as we know it would change drastically and I feel the human mind is to fragile at the moment. How would society feel if it found out we were social and biologically engineered by an advance race and this was the god spoken of in many religious text.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
718
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Posted - 2014.01.03 06:22:00 -
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calvin b wrote:
I agree our transmission may or may not have been received due to a lot of factors. History has shown us that we have been visited in the past. Religious text from different cultures all speak of flying craft and shinning beings that were also known as angels or demigods. The reason we have not been visited on a broad scale in my opinion is due to our cultures. Society would rip itself apart in many ways. If another form of life was to appear almost all religions would be undone or needed to be reexamined in some fashion. Money would become obsolete, for technology would feel all our needs. Life as we know it would change drastically and I feel the human mind is to fragile at the moment. How would society feel if it found out we were social and biologically engineered by an advance race and this was the god spoken of in many religious text.
I dunno about all that. I guess this really boils down to personality. I don't believe in anything until I see evidence for it and pretty much all of the ancient aliens or whatever is all speculation. I'm not saying it is impossible by any means, merely improbable.
I think about it like this:
First the aliens would have to travel the unimaginable distances between stars and just happen to find us here. I'm assuming "subspace" isn't a real thing and all information is restricted to luminal velocity. They would have to literally just being going randomly to every earth-like planet since a pre-industrial society would have no visible external markers without direct visual observation.
They would also need a reason to even do that in the first place but I'll accept that curiosity could be a universal trait for intelligent life forms.
Also by your logic they would have to either understand our society extensively or have a comparable society in order to know not to make their presence known. Again, I'll admit the possibility but caution against unwarranted assumptions. Their curiosity could be assumed because they would have to actively be exploring space for knowledge but there's no guarantee they even know what "religion" or "money" is.
They would also have to actually care about us and our society. Again not impossible but still a pretty large assumption.
Then when they do all that and zip around all nimbly bimbly in their space ships they reveal themselves to a few people in loin cloths, stack a couple of big rocks together, steal a cow, bend some corn and then bounce?
I'm going to go all Occam's razor here and posit that ancient religions are full of beings descending from the sky because to ancient people the sky was a crazy weird place with with millions of strange blinking lights and half the time had a giant ass ball of fire hanging out in it. Fewer assumptions that way. But again, it really is a matter of personality as there isn't real proof either way.
Although I will call BS on your statement that the human mind is fragile right now. Total crap. People can be stupid don't get me wrong but we're a lot tougher and smarter than most people want to admit. I know it's the cool thing to talk about how crappy and stupid we are but you know what? In 1903 two jackass flew a plane built out of some boards and bits of string powered by and engine that connected to the props with a bicycle chain. 66 years later we put a human being on the moon, 240,000 miles from earth.
I love Star Trek as much as the next guy but the Prime Directive was the work of a man that was so afraid of conflict he forbade it on a show that featured a ship with a crew consisting of 50% terrorists and zero issues arising from that. It's a work of fiction and somewhat insulting to the poor "primitives". It worked for the TV series but you can't apply that same thing to real life.
"STFU I'm awesome, all your points are invalid as I kill proto's all the time nubs." - Infinite Diversity IDIC
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Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:18:00 -
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Not alone, definitely not alone.
But I dont believe another race has been to our planet yet, all the "sightings" are so vague and why after 60+ years has there never been an actual visitor stop or attempt to make contact.
All the "sighting" videos are stupid and have perfectly reasonable explanations, but until they try to make some actual contact with the people of Earth then I'm sticking to my guns.
Aliens are not going to ONLY deal with our govts, thats just silly.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1883
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:40:00 -
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There probably is other life out there but for now we can carry on thinking we are special as to our knowledge we are the only beings able to perceive reality on the level we do.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1883
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:44:00 -
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Buddha Brown wrote:Not alone, definitely not alone.
But I dont believe another race has been to our planet yet, all the "sightings" are so vague and why after 60+ years has there never been an actual visitor stop or attempt to make contact.
All the "sighting" videos are stupid and have perfectly reasonable explanations, but until they try to make some actual contact with the people of Earth then I'm sticking to my guns.
Aliens are not going to ONLY deal with our govts, thats just silly.
Edit: Altina said it much more elegantly than myself but I'm in that boat.
If a aliens visited they'd have to be way more advanced and would probably view us as either Neanderthal type dumb a$$e$ or if they weren't humanoid they'd view us as ugly, strange dumb a$$e$ and a parasite at that.
They might come in peace though.
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
1016
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Posted - 2014.01.03 18:51:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I believe in UFO's and have been a witness.
Unidentified flying objects are not something you can "believe" in. As they are unidentified, someone's beliefs about them them are just as valid, and invalid, as any other belief about them. Also, congratulations on being a witness to a UFO, even though it's nothing special. If a near-blind person sees a bird and can't tell what it is, and no one is there to identify it for him, that's a UFO sighting for him.
calvin b wrote:There is millions of planets that are in the Goldilocks zone
While this is mathematically likely, we don't actually know. At best, we can say that it's at least "probable".
calvin b wrote:There is not only space we need to look for existence of life, there are other dimensions as well.
Other dimensions? Like what, time? Sadly, we don't really have the capability to look through time.
calvin b wrote:If we are alone, that only points to one conclusion and that is we are a simulation or a program in a much larger program.
Not necessarily. It could also mean that we are very, very, very lucky.
What's the difference between an immobile Minmatar ship and a pile of garbage?
The pile of garbage is more lethal.
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TunRa
Third Rock From The Sun
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
318
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:06:00 -
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To believe we are the alone in the entire universe is stupid, however to believe that aliens would give two ***** about our crap hole of a planet is stupid.
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:19:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:calvin b wrote:I believe in UFO's and have been a witness. Unidentified flying objects are not something you can "believe" in. As they are unidentified, someone's beliefs about them them are just as valid, and invalid, as any other belief about them. Also, congratulations on being a witness to a UFO, even though it's nothing special. If a near-blind person sees a bird and can't tell what it is, and no one is there to identify it for him, that's a UFO sighting for him. calvin b wrote:There is millions of planets that are in the Goldilocks zone While this is mathematically likely, we don't actually know. At best, we can say that it's at least "probable". calvin b wrote:There is not only space we need to look for existence of life, there are other dimensions as well. Other dimensions? Like what, time? Sadly, we don't really have the capability to look through time. calvin b wrote:If we are alone, that only points to one conclusion and that is we are a simulation or a program in a much larger program. Not necessarily. It could also mean that we are very, very, very lucky.
It is already proven there is at least 4 dimensions, you are proof for you are currently standing in the third dimension.
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:24:00 -
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TunRa wrote:To believe we are the alone in the entire universe is stupid, however to believe that aliens would give two ***** about our crap hole of a planet is stupid.
You do not value life? The life on this planet may have not been started by a word or by a microorganism, it might have been bio engineered by the same beings that have been visiting us the whole time. Look at the Sumerian Text about the anunnaki. It speaks of us being engineered to mine gold and in return they gave us advancement in technology. Basically they mixed there DNA with Ape DNA and that is why we have APE qualities with a reptilian brain.
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Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
487
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:42:00 -
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Age Gëá accuracy |
Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.03 21:25:00 -
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calvin b wrote:
It is already proven there is at least 4 dimensions, you are proof for you are currently standing in the third dimension.
It's only been proven that there are 3 spatial dimensions: X,Y,Z.
The fourth dimension is usually referred to as 'time', which in a way makes sense but it's only a "dimension" used in calculations for particular purposes. You only need 3 dimensions to plot the point of any object in the observable universe. The fourth one comes in to play if you need to determine the speed of an object, but time isn't exactly a dimension like the other 3 are as it is just a basic scalar and not part of the spatial dimension set.
Or if you want to go with String Theory there's 10 of the bastards and they are all spacial dimensions and "time" is something else.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3394
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:24:00 -
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The statistics are definitely in favor of the belief we aren't alone
We used to have a time machine
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:21:00 -
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Aliens are overrated.
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Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.05 03:27:00 -
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Every time I think of "why are we here?" I think of the movie prometheus....what if we really are just some experiment by an alien race? O_o
*grabs tinfoil hat*
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Draxus Prime
BurgezzE.T.F
Public Disorder.
2361
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Posted - 2014.01.05 04:04:00 -
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I believe we aren't alone
I'm gonna tell you something no one knows
I hope the goverment isn't wat qbrtfvufesdbauhjxwv78?x
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Closed Beta Vet
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.05 22:04:00 -
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Silence will fall
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
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Posted - 2014.01.06 07:58:00 -
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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.01.06 08:22:00 -
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There is no doubt in my mind that there is extraterrestrial life out there. Zooming out for a few minutes on Space Engine cleared any of those doubts once I realized I wasnt looking at clusters of stars anymore, but clusters of galaxies. The chance of other life not existing is just too unfathomably abysmally small that I don't even know why anyone could think it.
The real question is how common complex and intelligent life is. Intelligent life could be really rare and we might be the only self conscious species in our entire galaxy.
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
746
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Posted - 2014.01.06 09:16:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:There is no doubt in my mind that there is extraterrestrial life out there. Zooming out for a few minutes on Space Engine cleared any of those doubts once I realized I wasnt looking at clusters of stars anymore, but clusters of galaxies. The chance of other life not existing is just too unfathomably abysmally small that I don't even know why anyone could think it.
The real question is how common complex and intelligent life is. Intelligent life could be really rare and we might be the only self conscious species in our entire galaxy.
This is possible. Not only could it be rare in and of itself but if you look back at the history of the Earth a lot of things had to go perfectly for life to survive and flourish here. If I had to just make a guess I would say that life is fairly common, complex life rare, and intelligent life exceedingly rare, relatively speaking. Although even "exceedingly rare" on cosmological terms could very well mean millions of intelligent species out there. But if they are 5 billion light years away they might as well not exist.
Unless we find a way to travel much, much faster than is even depicted in most science fiction we could very well explore a large portion of our galaxy and find ourselves alone. Conceivable even that we would never meet another form of intelligent life. I know that sounds counter-intuitive given the number of stars and planets in the galaxy but the unimaginable vastness of space really makes contact a rare event indeed.
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Anarchide
Greedy Bastards
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Posted - 2014.01.06 18:40:00 -
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This thread gets +1 for Awesomeness.
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Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.01.07 00:17:00 -
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i kinda agree with stephen hawkings. Aliens do exist but they probably wont come here in peace. If they can travel to outer space, they will be hunting for resources and they may have to get rid of us to get our resources. It be like Columbus and the native americans and we will be the ones getting slaughtered.
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1361
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:11:00 -
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I do not feel aliens would come to our planet for resources. For one a single asteroid contains enough water to sustain life on earth, with that water you can manufacture all the energy you would need. Second the asteroid would contain enough rare metals and common metals to fulfill whatever needs they may need. If they did inhabit our planet it would be do to there need for a sustainable atmosphere and even then there genetic makeup may not be able to adapt to our atmosphere. That is why I believe they would terraform a planet before they would conquer another. If anything they would have evolved past aggression and would be a peaceful race. I also feel aggression may be a human trait and other species may not have these and that is why they may not have may there presence known on a broad scale.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
1972
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Posted - 2014.01.07 17:17:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I do not feel aliens would come to our planet for resources. For one a single asteroid contains enough water to sustain life on earth, with that water you can manufacture all the energy you would need. Second the asteroid would contain enough rare metals and common metals to fulfill whatever needs they may need. If they did inhabit our planet it would be do to there need for a sustainable atmosphere and even then there genetic makeup may not be able to adapt to our atmosphere. That is why I believe they would terraform a planet before they would conquer another. If anything they would have evolved past aggression and would be a peaceful race. I also feel aggression may be a human trait and other species may not have these and that is why they may not have may there presence known on a broad scale.
Agreed, to truly advance they'd have to have united as one rather than having borders and boundaries on one insignificant planet.
Our planet is very loud with the amount of bull ish we broadcast, might be too much of a headache to visit as well, just imagine being alien and tuning into our airwaves, maximum headache lol.
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Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
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Posted - 2014.01.07 18:09:00 -
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I feel like even if they could catch our airwaves it would be a complete mess of incomprehensible garbage to them. They would know something is sending them out but wouldn't be able to understand a lick of it.
Mind would be blown just hearing their sounds, the sounds of their spacecraft, they way it works, and all the subtle nuances that would have to be learned between 2 intelligent species. I feel like something as simple as a sneeze could be misconstrued very easily and it would just be great if we could feel each other out and understand each other before trying to blow each other off the face of the Earth because of a simple misunderstanding. |
calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.07 23:47:00 -
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Buddha Brown wrote:I feel like even if they could catch our airwaves it would be a complete mess of incomprehensible garbage to them. They would know something is sending them out but wouldn't be able to understand a lick of it.
Mind would be blown just hearing their sounds, the sounds of their spacecraft, they way it works, and all the subtle nuances that would have to be learned between 2 intelligent species. I feel like something as simple as a sneeze could be misconstrued very easily and it would just be great if we could feel each other out and understand each other before trying to blow each other off the face of the Earth because of a simple misunderstanding.
One glimpse of reality T.V. and they would fly into a black hole
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
1982
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:14:00 -
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Buddha Brown wrote:I feel like even if they could catch our airwaves it would be a complete mess of incomprehensible garbage to them. They would know something is sending them out but wouldn't be able to understand a lick of it.
Mind would be blown just hearing their sounds, the sounds of their spacecraft, they way it works, and all the subtle nuances that would have to be learned between 2 intelligent species. I feel like something as simple as a sneeze could be misconstrued very easily and it would just be great if we could feel each other out and understand each other before trying to blow each other off the face of the Earth because of a simple misunderstanding.
If they we're more advanced I think that anything we'd do or try to do would be for them the same as us watching say Teletubbies, completely wrong, debauched, dumb and insignificant, laughable at best.
They might consider a fraction of our species intelligent enough to be on par with what they define as a 15 year old.
They'd probably see parasites as the most abundant living being and just consider us a bigger parasite. From the get go with their technological advances, they may have never even used nothing but renewable clean energy, have no concept of meaningless violence etc.
We could end up being one of the most psychotic and grotesque brings in the universe, our very nature is psychotic, when did you last think about all the animals you've eaten, yeah, I don't give two fks either. Chicken all the way 
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Buddha Brown
Factory Fresh
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Posted - 2014.01.08 00:36:00 -
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Lol yeah they'll show up, make the *mother of god* face and peel right back out to interstellar space as fast as they can |
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