DUST Search - Remove Redline from Faction Warfare

Maken Tosch wrote:

ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:

Big miku wrote:

The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points.

The redline encourages bad gameplay.

That is all

your winning the fight... why would you care. if they are red lined then there is no reason to lose any more suits. just sit on an objective and wait for them to throw themselves on your bullets. if you are throwing yourself onto their bullets then more fool you.

fw is the only public available game where winning is more important than kills. once you have lost you have lost. there is no point continuing to die for no reason. with no redline you will have players running amok miles outside the battle area and people just spawning in the mcc not bothering and going semi afk. atleast with the redline you can still get some kills if you want. the choice is yours weather you risk it or not

The win is not always guaranteed, though. In FW, you run the risk of having AWOXers in your team.

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Big miku Nation of Miku 318	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:34:00 - [1] - Quote The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2929	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:35:00 - [2] - Quote Man, you want Amarr and Caldari FW to be even more unplayable? Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 417	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:39:00 - [3] - Quote Wow butt hurt much? We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Munin-Frey Fish Spotters Inc. 64	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:40:00 - [4] - Quote You wear a Caldari suit but you play Gallente FW.... Fight for the Caldari and you will get to be on the "bad" team that gets redlined. I got bored winning every time so I switched sides because it is more challenging to fight while redlined. I've played over 50 matches and Caldari has won four times. If you are so awesome come fight on the Caldari side.
Big miku Nation of Miku 318	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:48:00 - [5] - Quote Munin-Frey wrote: You wear a Caldari suit but you play Gallente FW But that is wrong, I fight for Caldari and Amarr, Half of NF and TP can vouch to me.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 403	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:51:00 - [6] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all Or maybe...just MAYBE...the team that does the redlining should stop being greedy and trying to gun down the enemy inside their own redline? Seriously, you're complaining because the losing team might actually get in a few kills before the MCC is destroyed? Life is killing me.
Big miku Nation of Miku 318	Posted - 2014.01.02 02:54:00 - [7] - Quote Everything Dies wrote: Seriously, you're complaining because the losing team might actually get in a few kills before the MCC is destroyed? I'm complaining about it encouraging bad game play
sammus420 Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 357	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:12:00 - [8] - Quote It needs to be removed from ALL game modes. Im tired of have to run for 8 seconds, shoot for 4, and then run back, it's a very bad gameplay design that CCP has said over and over they were looking for ways to fix, but yet they consistantly drop the ball on fixing a part of the game that people have said is no fun since closed beta.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 642	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:13:00 - [9] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all How about shut up and play the game.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 643	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:38:00 - [10] - Quote Big miku wrote: Everything Dies wrote: Seriously, you're complaining because the losing team might actually get in a few kills before the MCC is destroyed? I'm complaining about it encouraging bad game play Your OPINION on bad gameplay. There is no such thing. You dont like it then dont play.

Big miku Nation of Miku 318	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:44:00 - [11] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Your OPINION Stopped reading there, into the trash your post go. Bad gameplay should not be encouraged or rewarded
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6206	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:18:00 - [12] - Quote I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
DJINN B4lock Ancient Textiles. 272	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:42:00 - [13] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. DJINN B4lock, CEO Ancient Textiles. The premium emporium of fine fabrics from the Orient.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1085	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:46:00 - [14] - Quote DJINN B4lock wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. Indestructible and AI only. Otherwise people will camp them. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 12	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:46:00 - [15] - Quote DJINN B4lock wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. Battlefield 2142 had this, they had a cargo bay that you could launch dropships off of the MCC, the MCC had turrets which could be used for defense, the MCC's were called "Titans", It was a way better skirmish mode, check it out on youtube look for BF2142 titan mode
Miokai Zahou Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 92	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:11:00 - [16] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all Yeeaaaa.... no. The red line stays until CCP figures out how to fix the so one sided game play. I'm all for winning and beating the enemy team but some times when I watch how destroyed amarr/caldari teams get... I keep thiking that the red line is a god send. shakes his head sadly
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 18	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:15:00 - [17] - Quote sira draco wrote: DJINN B4lock wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. Battlefield 2142 had this, they had a cargo bay that you could launch dropships off of the MCC, the MCC had turrets which could be used for defense, the MCC's were called "Titans", It was a way better skirmish mode, check it out on youtube look for BF2142 titan mode Which why I don't believe anyone when they say CCP hired the BF2142 guys.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 206	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:15:00 - [18] - Quote U MAD BRO? 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6211	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:20:00 - [19] - Quote DJINN B4lock wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. If they can do that all the better. Oh, here's a way better idea. LET US INERTIA-DROP FROM THE SKIES ON THE SPOT OF OUR CHOOSING! OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 709	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:27:00 - [20] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all your winning the fight... why would you care. if they are red lined then there is no reason to lose any more suits. just sit on an objective and wait for them to throw themselves on your bullets. if you are throwing yourself onto their bullets then more fool you. fw is the only public available game where winning is more important than kills. once you have lost you have lost. there is no point continuing to die for no reason. with no redline you will have players running amok miles outside the battle area and people just spawning in the mcc not bothering and going semi afk. atleast with the redline you can still get some kills if you want. the choice is yours weather you risk it or not https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 970	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:36:00 - [21] - Quote I've got an idea. How about we take all you bozos and just hand you a stick and throw you in a ditch. Obviously, you want to play that kind of a game rather than what DUST is supposed to be. CCP ruined their game with FF. It just lets dipsh*ts freely be themselves rather than promote any sort of tactical, military style combat game. If I wanted that I could walk down the wrong street in any big city. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 492	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:57:00 - [22] - Quote I'm confused, you redlined the enemy and are mad that they defended themselves? You already won the match why did you decide you needed to humiliate your opponent? Just leave the redline be and guard a nearby objective. The enemy is getting nothing for their kills, so just stay away. The redline serves it's purpose, games without redlines are no fun either.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6213	Posted - 2014.01.02 06:58:00 - [23] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all your winning the fight... why would you care. if they are red lined then there is no reason to lose any more suits. just sit on an objective and wait for them to throw themselves on your bullets. if you are throwing yourself onto their bullets then more fool you. fw is the only public available game where winning is more important than kills. once you have lost you have lost. there is no point continuing to die for no reason. with no redline you will have players running amok miles outside the battle area and people just spawning in the mcc not bothering and going semi afk. atleast with the redline you can still get some kills if you want. the choice is yours weather you risk it or not The win is not always guaranteed, though. In FW, you run the risk of having AWOXers in your team. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6214	Posted - 2014.01.02 07:00:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly, the whole removal of the entire redline along with the redline that confines everyone into one area is something best suited for another game mode like "free roam" or something like that. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 3930	Posted - 2014.01.02 07:01:00 - [25] - Quote The Red line is literally the only way the Caldari can get kills. They suck in battle, it's hilarious.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 709	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:30:00 - [26] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all your winning the fight... why would you care. if they are red lined then there is no reason to lose any more suits. just sit on an objective and wait for them to throw themselves on your bullets. if you are throwing yourself onto their bullets then more fool you. fw is the only public available game where winning is more important than kills. once you have lost you have lost. there is no point continuing to die for no reason. with no redline you will have players running amok miles outside the battle area and people just spawning in the mcc not bothering and going semi afk. atleast with the redline you can still get some kills if you want. the choice is yours weather you risk it or not The win is not always guaranteed, though. In FW, you run the risk of having AWOXers in your team. if the enemy is redlined then you are winning as you have all the objectives. there is no middle ground on that. sure you might have awoxers but a redline is a redline and you can have awoxers weather your winning or losing. if the enemy is in the redline the whole match then they are not taking positions and positions win the game. with the redline you could redline someone from the start but the redline gives them a chance to regroup and push back maybe even turning the fight completely. remove the redline and you just have people spawn camping the last place on the map they can spawn. at the end of the day if the enemy is pushing hard and your forced to retreat then thats what you have to do especially in fw where losing suits for nothing is pointless. removing the redline means there is nowhere on the map safe to spawn in and all you will get is 4 tanks making a bee-line for the enemy ground spawn to cut them off at their source https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 558	Posted - 2014.01.02 14:32:00 - [27] - Quote And for PC, there should be no safe zone in serious battles
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 407	Posted - 2014.01.02 16:45:00 - [28] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: And for PC, there should be no safe zone in serious battles There should always be some sort of safe zone for players to spawn into and/or regroup to prevent spawn camping, particularly in redline situations where there's nowhere else for the team to spawn. Life is killing me.
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2014.01.02 16:50:00 - [29] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline encourages bad gameplay. So while 90% of thier team are stupidly running into certain death and wasting precious clones, they manage to continuosly kill the enemy, stay positive & top their teams leaderboard. Please try and justify labeling these players as anything but 'good'. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 710	Posted - 2014.01.02 17:03:00 - [30] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: Big miku wrote: The redline encourages bad gameplay. So while 90% of thier team are stupidly running into certain death and wasting precious clones, they manage to continuosly kill the enemy, stay positive & top their teams leaderboard. Please try and justify labeling these players as anything but 'good'. they are only doing that because there is a redline they can spawn in(thats the 90% i'm talking about) no redline means no one spawning in and its as simple as that. if someone is sniping from the redline then counter snipe back. no one is immune from attack. even the weakest sniper rifle with no damage mods can 1 hit a redline sniper with a headshot. they are not immune from orbitals, they are not immune from dropships shooting at them. they are there to harass you and add fear to the battlefield. you beat them by countering or harassing them. also snipers topping the boards... lol i know lots of good snipers who don't even come close. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find

Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1817	Posted - 2014.01.02 17:45:00 - [31] - Quote Big miku wrote: The redline does not need to exist in Faction Warfare, if your team is bad enough to get redlined you should not be allowed to sit in the back with a railgun or sniper rifle and rack up free points. The redline encourages bad gameplay. That is all Miku believes whole heartedly in home grown organic scrubberies picked fresh from the battlefield. Get them today at you local Amarr farmers market. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Kaze Eyrou Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 416	Posted - 2014.01.02 18:10:00 - [32] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: DJINN B4lock wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: I got a better idea. REMOVE ALL OF THE REDLINE! INCLUDING THE ONE THAT KEEPS US CONFINED INTO ONE SMALL BURN ZONE! That way, we can freely roam for once. I would suggest having some type of alternative exit from the MCC (a vehicle spawn platform) and a MCC defense system to assist player from being 'redlined' in their MCC. If they can do that all the better. Oh, here's a way better idea. LET US INERTIA-DROP FROM THE SKIES ON THE SPOT OF OUR CHOOSING! +1 When can I make you a CSM member so CCP will listen to the ideas of you and what I believe the rest of the community has been shouting at the top of their lungs? Maken Tosch CSM 2014 // Support Logi / Logi Bro // Forge Gunner // @KazeEyrou
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 50	Posted - 2014.01.02 18:34:00 - [33] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: Mitch Laurence wrote: Big miku wrote: The redline encourages bad gameplay. So while 90% of thier team are stupidly running into certain death and wasting precious clones, they manage to continuosly kill the enemy, stay positive & top their teams leaderboard. Please try and justify labeling these players as anything but 'good'. they are only doing that because there is a redline they can spawn in(thats the 90% i'm talking about) no redline means no one spawning in and its as simple as that. if someone is sniping from the redline then counter snipe back. no one is immune from attack. even the weakest sniper rifle with no damage mods can 1 hit a redline sniper with a headshot. they are not immune from orbitals, they are not immune from dropships shooting at them. they are there to harass you and add fear to the battlefield. you beat them by countering or harassing them. also snipers topping the boards... lol i know lots of good snipers who don't even come close. I don't understand your point about removing the option to spawn, without two opposing teams 'spawning in' there is no game. Snipers and Rail tanks are not safe in the red zone, this is 100% correct. Snipers are not a fear tactic or meant to harass. They are meant to efficiently eliminate large numbers of troops in conjunction with area denial while providing intel. The context is 'redlined teams'. Any sniper who is on a redlined team & is not at the top of the leaderboards is not a 'good sniper'. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Scout Registry 238	Posted - 2014.01.02 18:54:00 - [34] - Quote Tank Spam has broken Ambush. If you get your way, it'll break FW as well. The redline has its drawbacks, but it is often the only safe place to call in an HAV. Nothing -- not even Redliners -- can ruin a match faster than a Tank squad. So long as there is Tank Spam, I fully support Rail Tank sniping from the redline.
Beren Hurin Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 1953	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:36:00 - [35] - Quote Points don't matter in FW.


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