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Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:29:00 -
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Hey guys, I know we've been busy QQing about tanks since 1.7 dropped, but the logi/assault imbalance is still a problem and we should keep poking at CCP about it because I honestly believe it is part of why the GA FW bandwagon exists. Sure, the Rail Rifle, Rail Gun, and Gunlogi are pretty amazing, but a suit takes far more SP to get to Op5 than anything else.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
358
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:38:00 -
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Proto assaults should get the second equipment slot back.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Kallas Hallytyr
Skullbreakers
225
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:40:00 -
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As was stated a million times during the Logi Dark Ages, the fix is to bring Assaults up such that they are the go-to 'Killer' suit. Logistics are operating perfectly fine as Logistics, but due to Assault suits being insufficiently effective in comparison the Logistics suit is used in place because of their greater versatility.
The most effective way to bring Assault suits up would be to give them the same High/Low module slot layouts as their racial Logistic counterpart, bring up the PG/CPU accordingly to account for the increased available modules and then give them effective Role/Racial Role bonuses.
Assault Role Bonus: +1% damage to Light Weapons per level
Amarr: Current is good, it allows them to maximise the potential of their racial weaponry.
Caldari: Current is ok, perhaps a reduction to spool up time of Hybrid - Rail weaponry?
Gallente: Current is alright, perhaps an increase to ROF of Hybrid - Blaster weaponry?
Minmatar: Current is alright, perhaps an increase to clip size of Projectile weaponry in general? |
RKKR
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
592
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:46:00 -
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So fix this... what's going to be next?
The title should read: DUST514 is not working as intended.
Poke CCP about that.. |
Seymor Krelborn
DUST University
Ivy League
1830
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:48:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:Hey guys, I know we've been busy QQing about tanks since 1.7 dropped, but the logi/assault imbalance is still a problem and we should keep poking at CCP about it because I honestly believe it is part of why the GA FW bandwagon exists. Sure, the Rail Rifle, Rail Gun, and Gunlogi are pretty amazing, but a suit takes far more SP to get to Op5 than anything else.
I agree logis need work, and being a logi, I even made threads about this need for re balance before 1.7
however, I find tanks and av imbalance to be such a larger problem that for now, a thread like this is a disservice to that cause.
ccp cannot multi task so lets keep the focus on the lol tank spam and lol AV nerf for now.
this game makes me sad....
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
959
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Posted - 2014.01.01 16:55:00 -
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HA HA HA HA HA! W-what are you talking about? HA HA!
Your such a kidder! Heh heh heh./thinlyveiledattemptatdivertingattention
Anywho, i'm sure something will be done. I wouldn't be surprised if it was part of the tank/AV fix. As long as I can still fit the equipment I use now, i'm good.
Lore-wise: Calamari are my preferred. Amarricans are my despised.
Importantly: Frogs n' Brutes have all my stuff...
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DJINN Mercury
Hellstorm Incorporation
4
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Posted - 2014.01.01 17:17:00 -
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Lol! Your doing it wrong.
Have you not learned what happens when you complain?
murder taxi-removed
logi-nerfed
swarms-obsolete
logi is in PERFECT working order! |
Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
1754
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Posted - 2014.01.01 17:50:00 -
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DJINN Mercury wrote:murder taxi-removed
The people that I've been running over will disagree with that. I've turned it into an art when I do it. Drifts, jumps, mid-air barrel rolls. It's hilarious at times.
"Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara
Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
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Roofer Madness
Tickle My Null-Sac
738
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:03:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:DJINN Mercury wrote:murder taxi-removed
The people that I've been running over will disagree with that. I've turned it into an art when I do it. Drifts, jumps, mid-air barrel rolls. It's hilarious at times.
lol Logi QQ. That's so 1.6.... 
The Dust 514 AFK song
Plasma Cannon FTW
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
1054
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:07:00 -
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they're not working as you believe they should be intended. that's different. |
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1467
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:11:00 -
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CCP already said they are working on changing suit bonuses as their "fix" to logis. Perhaps we should, you know, wait until all the suits are out first instead of the same patchwork crap thats been done for the past year and got us here in the first place?
See anyone complaining about the AR anymore? (another 1.6 staple). No, because the release of other content took care of the issue.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
3487
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:17:00 -
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Please, you're just trying to divert the attention away from your OP Tank 
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Cosgar
ParagonX
9046
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:29:00 -
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You do realize we have as much influence on balancing this game as congress has running the country, right? CCP does what they want, when they want, and how they want. You show them a video of a recoiless AR and they tell you it's mechanically intended to save face and decide to nerf shields. Show them some video proof of logis not "working as intended" and they'll probably buff tanks more to compensate by using their fancy mathematics they use to balance this game.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
1857
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:36:00 -
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Honestly, after using it. I can say they are working. Problem is, they work better all other suits. They are balanced at std and some at ADV but at Proto they blow away other medium suits and pretty much scouts.
The base stats being lower means without mods, you suck. But with mods the suit beces a beast, a expensive beast, but a beast nonetheless.
The problem is, even with other suits having better base stats, the Logi can always do better. I think it needs to keep its jack of all trades style of playing, it just has to be a master of none.
The most simple thing is give it a higher stacking penalty when using dmg mods and give better bonuses for equipment. Thought that honestly won't stop people from running no equipment and 4-5 dmg mods plus all basic plates in the lows.
So we may need to boost the other suits first...except heavy, it's the only suit that is perfectly balanced now.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
-Arkena Wyrnspire
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1457
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:36:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:You do realize we have as much influence on balancing this game as congress has running the country, right? CCP does what they want, when they want, and how they want. You show them a video of a recoiless AR and they tell you it's mechanically intended to save face and decide to nerf shields. Show them some video proof of logis not "working as intended" and they'll probably buff tanks more to compensate by using their fancy mathematics they use to balance this game.
I hate the comparison you made since congress has totalitarian control over the country with more power than even the president himself, and us the majority are less than a minority since our votes don't even matter. |
The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
Public Disorder.
1351
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:40:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Proto assaults should get the second equipment slot back.
Maybe one race's suit but not all of them, like how the Amarr logi has a sidearm.
GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."
Hunter S. Thompson
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1470
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:41:00 -
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Cody Sietz wrote:Honestly, after using it. I can say they are working. Problem is, they work better all other suits. They are balanced at std and some at ADV but at Proto they blow away other medium suits and pretty much scouts.
The base stats being lower means without mods, you suck. But with mods the suit beces a beast, a expensive beast, but a beast nonetheless.
The problem is, even with other suits having better base stats, the Logi can always do better. I think it needs to keep its jack of all trades style of playing, it just has to be a master of none.
The most simple thing is give it a higher stacking penalty when using dmg mods and give better bonuses for equipment. Thought that honestly won't stop people from running no equipment and 4-5 dmg mods plus all basic plates in the lows.
So we may need to boost the other suits first...except heavy, it's the only suit that is perfectly balanced now.
A higher stacking bonus for damage mods? Please do, I would love that to be the only change! If someone is using 4-5, even as is, they're an idiot.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1470
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:45:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:Proto assaults should get the second equipment slot back.
How would that help? Everyone's complaint about the logi suit is that people don't use their equipment slots and instead use all the fitting power for tanking and damage mods.
Suddenly assault players will be happier because they can leave an empty equipment slot too? You may as well just come out and say that you want more CPU/PG, there's no way you actually want just an equipment slot with no extra fitting power to fill it with.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Amarr victor!
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