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jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:55:00 - [31] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: So how about a soultion that can be used in the middle of firefight? A soultion which doesn't require ages to prepare? Asoultion that doesn't revolve around the tanker your against being Jeremy? Here is a question, my squad and I have JUST capped point C on the craters map (new map), the enemy instantly launches a counter offensive. They bring 1 tank, does that mean they will get that point back? He can sit further than 50m with his blaster (Outside Grenade range) He is cycling hardners (AV useless against hardened tank) We can't call in our own tank We don't have a tank capable of responding. Is it fair that, the ONE man in a tank has now outgunned an entire squad? Despite the fact they just killed them all in the orginal offensive? Hey, ****** av stop bringing up broken **, and im a good tanker, betterthan you scrub, I only ever die to rail tanks and if im not careful, forge guns, so every time you bring up mu,tiple reps or harde ers I will ignore everything you say unless its bullshit So you agree its broken then? What your saying if he had one hardner it would be any better? He would just push faster. And RE, And Suicide Lavs, And Proxy Mines Its not exactly difficult to not die in these tanks. Yes miltle reps and hardeners are broken, suicide lavs are bprken, the proxies with remotes are btoken, but proxies need buff, laying multle remotes in a small area and waiting for a tank is somewhat broken as hardeners cant save it, not sure there Oh so Its miltia gear? Miltia gear is fine, or do you not liking loosing to better tankers AND better infantry?[/quote] Multiple, not militia recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typos
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:58:00 - [32] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:00:00 - [33] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typos
gravalicious Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:02:00 - [34] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Dengru wrote: If 5 explosives are attached to the weak spot and detonated, it should be an instant death even if tanker has on his aura of invincibility spell. I just did this and saw him speed off on fire. How is that fair? It takes a marginal amount of effort to sneak behind a tank and a tremendous amount of stupidity for a tanker to sit still for long. He shouldn't be able to do anything to save his scrubby infantry farming tank in that situation. I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go Seriously? You know what that meand don't you, someone had the patience to lay a trap somewhere where he knew a tank would drive by then he sat in a nest and waited. How can they be OP? You can scan for them and they show up, you can avoid the obvious roots for vehicular traffic and so on. RE could do with a buff, they do pitiful damage at the moment, about 2500 would suffice and prehaps uping damage to 3000 at proto level. I would also like to see a shaped demolition variant, that does additional damage to vehicles or installations when they are stuck directly to them. or he stuck em ona lav and suicided em into the hav like a scrub ive only had 2 people use re's respectively since 1.7 and 1 was on the asian servers doesnt count (bless those honorable asians) using jihaad lavs will only mean you havnt gotten your practice on the tanks before they get skilled..and when ccp takes away the ability to jihaad lav your gunna be behind those that have been killing tanks with re's the proper way I don't think you know what jihaad means. I think you want a different word.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:10:00 - [35] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are He has to be close enough to see you go into his trap, he can't denotate them from the deployment screen, therfore he has to be within visual range, and alive! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 206	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:18:00 - [36] - Quote getting more reasonable wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are He has to be close enough to see you go into his trap, he can't denotate them from the deployment screen, therfore he has to be within visual range, and alive![/quote] I only have done it once, last time I remember I never was in danger Funny story I tried suicide laving, I purposely get killed by 3 mlt ars, I respawn, I detonate my remotes and.... + 40 guristas saga +50 +50 +50 recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit I use a tablet so beware of typos
demonkiller 12 G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 294	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:21:00 - [37] - Quote Nocturnal Soul wrote: Put the RE's on the the ground the wait for the tank to roll over them. Its takes a lot longer but 260% more damage will destroy any HAV with even 3 hardeners on. ^ i forgot about this, what is the damage modifier from below?
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:41:00 - [38] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: getting more reasonable wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are He has to be close enough to see you go into his trap, he can't denotate them from the deployment screen, therfore he has to be within visual range, and alive! I only have done it once, last time I remember I never was in danger Funny story I tried suicide laving, I purposely get killed by 3 mlt ars, I respawn, I detonate my remotes and.... + 40 guristas saga +50 +50 +50[/quote] I had one once where I saw a suicide LAV I got out of the tank, I got my scrambler pistol out, breathe in, breathe out, Boom. + 5 + 40 + 50 + 50 + 50 Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Dengru Fatal Absolution 339	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:24:00 - [39] - Quote I put four RE on tank and waited for his Golden Aura of The Sun God spell to cooldown, and it never it did! What is the point to putting those up his ass if he can just perma harden? And there were two more doing the same thing.. (>^_^)><(^.^<)
Tectonic Fusion 918	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:33:00 - [40] - Quote Don't argue with idjits. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 404	Posted - 2014.01.02 03:47:00 - [41] - Quote there's so much popcorn in my teeth right now, A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1343	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:31:00 - [42] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Dengru wrote: If 5 explosives are attached to the weak spot and detonated, it should be an instant death even if tanker has on his aura of invincibility spell. I just did this and saw him speed off on fire. How is that fair? It takes a marginal amount of effort to sneak behind a tank and a tremendous amount of stupidity for a tanker to sit still for long. He shouldn't be able to do anything to save his scrubby infantry farming tank in that situation. I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go Seriously? You know what that meand don't you, someone had the patience to lay a trap somewhere where he knew a tank would drive by then he sat in a nest and waited. How can they be OP? You can scan for them and they show up, you can avoid the obvious roots for vehicular traffic and so on. RE could do with a buff, they do pitiful damage at the moment, about 2500 would suffice and prehaps uping damage to 3000 at proto level. I would also like to see a shaped demolition variant, that does additional damage to vehicles or installations when they are stuck directly to them. or he stuck em ona lav and suicided em into the hav like a scrub ive only had 2 people use re's respectively since 1.7 and 1 was on the asian servers doesnt count (bless those honorable asians) using jihaad lavs will only mean you havnt gotten your practice on the tanks before they get skilled..and when ccp takes away the ability to jihaad lav your gunna be behind those that have been killing tanks with re's the proper way I will continue to crash my LAV into any HAV. If they do stop this practice I will then AFK, for they have taken away the only workable AV available. I hate tanks and I hate the fact I have to use them to stop one. I skilled into 3 AV skills so I would not have to use a tank, thanks to the nerf, I am now forced to use something I hate. I can use tanks or not play. Well I choose the latter and will sit on the sidelines. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
sira draco Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 11	Posted - 2014.01.02 04:33:00 - [43] - Quote tankers crying about re's, this is ridiculous, you guys got so many buffs this patch, this game is ez mode for tankers and you cry when we find a way to counter your tank spam. Another thing that is ridiculous is hearing tankers claim that jihading is noobish and dishonorable, these are the same scumbags that tank spam in ambush, and spawn camp CRU's, the same scumbags that redline rail tank and camp the enemy ground spawn destroying vehicles that get delivered by RDV
Kraw Zin Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.01.02 05:29:00 - [44] - Quote I have 2 fits that take out 90% tanks and can dance around them most of the time. The only time they get me is if they run in packs of 2+. Use RE with nades for shields light suit 2 sprints 1 adv kinkat nano attach RE's then toss him some nads, take cover with nano and resupply while he runs but has no sheilds then hit him with RE's if that does not kill him anticipate his path and run after him. It works, one time I chased a tank all over a map for 5 min until I got him, but still it costs me 3k to kill his tank and if he has support then they may get me a few times but in the end I kill the tank.


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