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Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1361	Posted - 2014.01.01 12:14:00 - [1] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Dengru wrote: If 5 explosives are attached to the weak spot and detonated, it should be an instant death even if tanker has on his aura of invincibility spell. I just did this and saw him speed off on fire. How is that fair? It takes a marginal amount of effort to sneak behind a tank and a tremendous amount of stupidity for a tanker to sit still for long. He shouldn't be able to do anything to save his scrubby infantry farming tank in that situation. I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go Seriously? You know what that meand don't you, someone had the patience to lay a trap somewhere where he knew a tank would drive by then he sat in a nest and waited. How can they be OP? You can scan for them and they show up, you can avoid the obvious roots for vehicular traffic and so on. RE could do with a buff, they do pitiful damage at the moment, about 2500 would suffice and prehaps uping damage to 3000 at proto level. I would also like to see a shaped demolition variant, that does additional damage to vehicles or installations when they are stuck directly to them. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1361	Posted - 2014.01.01 12:25:00 - [2] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Dengru wrote: If 5 explosives are attached to the weak spot and detonated, it should be an instant death even if tanker has on his aura of invincibility spell. I just did this and saw him speed off on fire. How is that fair? It takes a marginal amount of effort to sneak behind a tank and a tremendous amount of stupidity for a tanker to sit still for long. He shouldn't be able to do anything to save his scrubby infantry farming tank in that situation. I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go Seriously? You know what that meand don't you, someone had the patience to lay a trap somewhere where he knew a tank would drive by then he sat in a nest and waited. How can they be OP? You can scan for them and they show up, you can avoid the obvious roots for vehicular traffic and so on. RE could do with a buff, they do pitiful damage at the moment, about 2500 would suffice and prehaps uping damage to 3000 at proto level. I would also like to see a shaped demolition variant, that does additional damage to vehicles or installations when they are stuck directly to them. or he stuck em ona lav and suicided em into the hav like a scrub ive only had 2 people use re's respectively since 1.7 and 1 was on the asian servers doesnt count (bless those honorable asians) using jihaad lavs will only mean you havnt gotten your practice on the tanks before they get skilled..and when ccp takes away the ability to jihaad lav your gunna be behind those that have been killing tanks with re's the proper way He said noone was near him, it's quite hard to miss dying to a lav. However your belief that explosive lavs are unfair, is a bit unfair. At the moment only tanks can successfully combat tanks within an active theatre of war, an explosive lav currently is the next best thing available I mean its alwell and good saying lay traps but what am I supposed to do in an active combat situation, just give up? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:12:00 - [3] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Dengru wrote: If 5 explosives are attached to the weak spot and detonated, it should be an instant death even if tanker has on his aura of invincibility spell. I just did this and saw him speed off on fire. How is that fair? It takes a marginal amount of effort to sneak behind a tank and a tremendous amount of stupidity for a tanker to sit still for long. He shouldn't be able to do anything to save his scrubby infantry farming tank in that situation. I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go insert rubbish here nope, none this bf3 bullshit, 1 hitting a ******* tanks is just overpowered and what scanner? maddy has no cpu, and i was watching the road, if RE's get buffed ima do the cheapest thing ever It would be 2, even on a mlt, do your maths properly. Oh I see so it Bull that 1 person can take out a tank by getting through enemy lines, avoiding your line of site, then detknating them, but you a single solitary person can carve through scores of infantry? If you truly think RE is overpowered, then you must be a terrible tanker. My deepest sympathies my friend, deepest sympathies. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:25:00 - [4] - Quote G Torq wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: I g Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go insert rubbish here nope, none this bf3 bullshit, 1 hitting a ***** tanks is just overpowered and what scanner? maddy has no cpu, and i was watching the road, if RE's get buffed ima do the cheapest thing ever How else should tanks die :( 1) Swarms + AV Grenades (yes, that actually works) Requires tanker to be close range without hardner -aka an idiot 2) LAVs fitted with missiles or rails (yes, that actually works) Vehicular Warfare - Not an infantry solution 3) Forge-guns (I'm told that works) Assuming tank is a wide o poo en space with no hardners and nowhere to run 4) A pile of Proximity-mines (>2) Assuming tanker is slow enough to be blast radius at detonation 5) Another HAV (Yes, that actually works) Vehicular Warfare - Not an infantry soultion** .... Am sure there are more ways. So how about a soultion that can be used in the middle of firefight? A soultion which doesn't require ages to prepare? Asoultion that doesn't revolve around the tanker your against being Jeremy? Here is a question, my squad and I have JUST capped point C on the craters map (new map), the enemy instantly launches a counter offensive. They bring 1 tank, does that mean they will get that point back? He can sit further than 50m with his blaster (Outside Grenade range) He is cycling hardners (AV useless against hardened tank) We can't call in our own tank We don't have a tank capable of responding. Is it fair that, the ONE man in a tank has now outgunned an entire squad? Despite the fact they just killed them all in the orginal offensive? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:36:00 - [5] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Was in 3rd person veiw, no one got anyeone near me, yet I died by op adv res, with hardeners off res are op as hell, 5400 armor gome instantly with 1200 shields, thats what you call op, my hardener was a second from coming bck up, if res get a buff, back to the redline like 1.6 I go insert rubbish here nope, none this bf3 bullshit, 1 hitting a ***** tanks is just overpowered and what scanner? maddy has no cpu, and i was watching the road, if RE's get buffed ima do the cheapest thing ever It would be 2, even on a mlt, do your maths properly. Oh I see so it Bull that 1 person can take out a tank by getting through enemy lines, avoiding your line of site, then detknating them, but you a single solitary person can carve through scores of infantry? If you truly think RE is overpowered, then you must be a terrible tanker. My deepest sympathies my friend, deepest sympathies. If I get instantly blown up with full shields and armor, they are extremely overpowered, im tired of all thos 1 shot bullshit, 1 sniper rifle shot Its a sniper rifle, that's its job, you mean not only does he have to line up his first shot but then you need enough time to get away?, your lav, stupidly overpoweredly broken suicide lavYou mean that lav that can be blown up with a scrambler pistols because of the RE on the front?dead, remote explosives on the road because your a * so you gotta hideIs hiding Overpowered now, the act of avoiding an aggressor who clearly outguns you is overpowered?, dead, somehow place explosives on my when no one is near me exept teamates and I am in 3rd person view, If he successfully managed to plant RE on you the was patient enough to wait until your hardners were gone I applaud himverpoweredly dead, are you the kid that1shotted dropships with the overpowered proto breach forge gun? No, im the guy who did AV with a Mass Driver*Which is still op btw sit on any tower and 2 shot anythingYou mean the towers that can be accesed by anyone or dropship only? There are 2 dropship only tower maps where the user can't be shifted. So from what I can tell tanking is only fair when, Infantry stands directly infront of your barrell only using an assault rifle. It certainly sounds like it. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:46:00 - [6] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey wrote: G Torq wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: [quote= Awsome AV and All round Infantry Player] 1) Swarms + AV Grenades (yes, that actually works) Requires tanker to be close range without hardner -aka an idiot 2) LAVs fitted with missiles or rails (yes, that actually works) Vehicular Warfare - Not an infantry solution 3) Forge-guns (I'm told that works) Assuming tank is a wide o poo en space with no hardners and nowhere to run 4) A pile of Proximity-mines (>2) Assuming tanker is slow enough to be blast radius at detonation 5) Another HAV (Yes, that actually works) Vehicular Warfare - Not an infantry soultion .... Am sure there are more ways. So how about a soultion that can be used in the middle of firefight? A soultion which doesn't require ages to prepare? Asoultion that doesn't revolve around the tanker your against being Jeremy? Here is a question, my squad and I have JUST capped point C on the craters map (new map), the enemy instantly launches a counter offensive. They bring 1 tank, does that mean they will get that point back? He can sit further than 50m with his blaster (Outside Grenade range) He is cycling hardners (AV useless against hardened tank) We can't call in our own tank We don't have a tank capable of responding. Is it fair that, the ONE man in a tank has now outgunned an entire squad? Despite the fact they just killed them all in the orginal offensive? Hey, ****** av stop bringing up broken *, and im a good tanker, betterthan you scrub, I only ever die to rail tanks and if im not careful, forge guns, so every time you bring up mu,tiple reps or harde ers I will ignore everything you say unless its bullshit So you agree its broken then? What your saying if he had one hardner it would be any better? He would just push faster. And RE, And Suicide Lavs, And Proxy Mines Its not exactly difficult to not die in these tanks. Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:51:00 - [7] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:54:00 - [8] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: So how about a soultion that can be used in the middle of firefight? A soultion which doesn't require ages to prepare? Asoultion that doesn't revolve around the tanker your against being Jeremy? Here is a question, my squad and I have JUST capped point C on the craters map (new map), the enemy instantly launches a counter offensive. They bring 1 tank, does that mean they will get that point back? He can sit further than 50m with his blaster (Outside Grenade range) He is cycling hardners (AV useless against hardened tank) We can't call in our own tank We don't have a tank capable of responding. Is it fair that, the ONE man in a tank has now outgunned an entire squad? Despite the fact they just killed them all in the orginal offensive? Hey, ****** av stop bringing up broken *, and im a good tanker, betterthan you scrub, I only ever die to rail tanks and if im not careful, forge guns, so every time you bring up mu,tiple reps or harde ers I will ignore everything you say unless its bullshit So you agree its broken then? What your saying if he had one hardner it would be any better? He would just push faster. And RE, And Suicide Lavs, And Proxy Mines Its not exactly difficult to not die in these tanks. Yes miltle reps and hardeners are broken, suicide lavs are bprken, the proxies with remotes are btoken, but proxies need buff, laying multle remotes in a small area and waiting for a tank is somewhat broken as hardeners cant save it, not sure there Oh so Its miltia gear? Miltia gear is fine, or do you not liking loosing to better tankers AND better infantry? Tanks 514* I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 14:58:00 - [9] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:10:00 - [10] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Ps I mean a kid plwnts res on the road or somethings, hides like cod where you sit in a corner to kill 1 guy, them be a ***** and detonate cuz he has no skill, if I didnt have full armor, fine, kill me. And I never have deto ated a re on a lav shooting right at it So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are He has to be close enough to see you go into his trap, he can't denotate them from the deployment screen, therfore he has to be within visual range, and alive! Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1362	Posted - 2014.01.01 15:41:00 - [11] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: getting more reasonable wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: So hiding is Overpowered, Got it, Ill put out a circular, we should all just stand in the open firing assault rifles! Its cheap, and nooby, because he has no skill he has to resort to 1 shotting the tank while he hides whatching somewhere, id be fine if I didnt have full hp and someone remoted me, but 1 hitting me? Thats jist guy ehen a matches payoutnis on the line So hiding, laying a trap, surviving long enough to detonate is noobish? Yet strolling round in a tank that's near invulnerable isn't? He doesnt have to survive, and he doesnt need to be near combat, and I use vehicles when proto cubs come to my std suit because the only 2 adv suits I have are amar sentinal and cal assault, and we all know how good thlse 2 are He has to be close enough to see you go into his trap, he can't denotate them from the deployment screen, therfore he has to be within visual range, and alive! I only have done it once, last time I remember I never was in danger Funny story I tried suicide laving, I purposely get killed by 3 mlt ars, I respawn, I detonate my remotes and.... + 40 guristas saga +50 +50 +50[/quote] I had one once where I saw a suicide LAV I got out of the tank, I got my scrambler pistol out, breathe in, breathe out, Boom. + 5 + 40 + 50 + 50 + 50 Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1

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