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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.01 02:41:00 -
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If I remember correctly, I cannot recall a single skill in EVE that didn't do anything. The only skills that didn't have any bonus were the ship operation skills (racial frigate, racial cruiser, etc), but they still did something at each level because each ship had a bonus per skill level for that specific skill. So for example, the Abaddon would grant 4% armor resistance per Amarr Battleship level.
Skills that simply unlock stuff need to go. Give me a reason to get repair tool operation to level 2 or 4. Give me a reason to get HAV beyond level 1. Otherwise you might as well just combine the skill levels for those skills. Level 1: STD, level 2: ADV, level 3: PRO, while keeping the same SP costs from STD to ADV to PRO and ending skill progression at level 3.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.01 09:05:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:EVE pilots of old will tell you the tales of their days, when there was such a thing as "Learning" skills and other... thrilling things.
At least they DID something and increased the rate of skill training.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.01 17:28:00 -
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Shadow Archeus wrote:Even if its a 1% bonus to something I'd be OK with it......having useless skills makes the skill tree itself boring....not to mention confusing to new players
Can someone make a list of skills that do absolutely nothing or give you access to something
Yeah, I'd be happy even with a 1% bonus.
As for the skills that do nothing or unlock stuff are as follows:
- Dropsuit Command
- Amarr Heavy Dropsuits
- Amarr Medium Dropsuits
- Caldari Medium Dropsuits
- Gallente Light Dropsuits
- Gallente Medium Dropsuits
- Minmatar Light Dropsuits
- Minmatar Medium Dropsuits
- Dropsuit Upgrades
- Active Scanner Operation
- Drop Uplink Deployment
- Nanocircuitry
- Repair Tool Operation
- Weaponry
- Demolitions
- Grenadier
- Vehicle Command
- Dropship Operation
- HAV Operation
- LAV Operation
- Vehicle Upgrades
- Vehicle Armor Upgrades
- Vehicle Core Upgrades
- Vehicle Shield Upgrades
- Vehicle Turret Upgrades
- Vehicle Electronics
- Vehicle Engineering
- Turret Operation
I believe that's all.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.01 18:35:00 -
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@shadow: tech 1 ships in EVE aren't specialized either, but they get racial bonuses for the appropriate operation skill.
Vermaak Doe wrote:Let's see jury rigging, cybernetics, and all the ship manufacturing skills if I'm not mistaken.
Those skills slipped my mind, especially the ship manufacturing ones because I never involved myself with industry. But Dust doesn't have those kinds of skills. I don't see why the operation skills can't have similar racial bonuses as in EVE and have the equipment skills provide bonuses as well.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Harpyja
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.01.01 19:02:00 -
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Vermaak Doe wrote:Well jury rigging can in a way be seen as something like vehicle core upgrades, same for cybernetics since they both open windows to train vastly different equipment.
I see vehicle core upgrades to be more in line with the engineering and electronics skills that directly affect attributes. Jury rigging affects attributes indirectly through the use of rigs.
Cybernetics are for implants, which do indeed also alter attributes. But the only implants in Dust are SP boosters and FW boosters.
Although jury rigging and cybernetics don't provide any bonuses themselves, they still provide indirect bonuses through a limited amount of rigs/implants. I see them as copies of other skills that further enhance attributes, except you can only pick a few of them to affect your ship.
Like I posted earlier, there are 28 skills in Dust that do nothing to enhance your attributes. Unlocking higher tier modules doesn't count. In EVE, you get tech 2 modules at level 5 that provide better bonuses, same as the tiered modules in Dust, except that the appropriate skill also enhances a specific attribute.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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