DUST Search - Question about Weapons and their counter-parts

Arx Ardashir wrote:

It used to be that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper rifle were "special" weapons that pertained to the four factions' combat philosphy/tech.

However, the precision rifle kind of throws a wrench into that framework, as it looks to be some sort of sniper rifle.

So, I'd like 1 of 2 things to happen, then.

1) Laser gets bumped up to a sniper role (the Gallente would just use rail guns, the long-range version of hybrids, as sniper rifles, so no need to make a Gallente sniper rifle)

2) the Precision Rifle turns out to be some sort of anti-materiel rifle with a very slow RoF or some other drawback to make it less effective against infantry (and not just have it be a sniper rifle that can also shoot vehicles).

On the topic of SMGs, though, I'd like to see some fresh concept for the Amarr, like maybe a version of the laser rifle that is close-ranged, and pulses instead of being a steady beam. Each pulse needs to be long enough not to just be a "bullet," however.

"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."

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Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 797	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:05:00 - [1] - Quote I got a big ole question. You know how weapons has a racial counterpart(dropsuits, tanks, LAVs, rifles). How do the SMGs, the mass driver, and laser rifle work into this system? Will all races have SMGs or just the Minmatar and Caldari? If the latter, what's the possible counterpart sidearms that the Gallente and Amarr have? The same question goes with Laser Rifles and Mass Drivers along with what are the Laser Rifles and Mass Drivers' classified group? By that, I mean are they considered suppression weapons since that's what they're mostly used for? Also what would be the possible "suppression" weapons for the Gallente and Caldari? "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 81	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:14:00 - [2] - Quote The Minmatar and Caldari get Sub machine guns, and the Amarr and Gallente will get Pistols. Amarr: Srambler Pistol Caldari: Magsec SMG Gallente: Bolt Pistol Minmatar: SMG I think the Mass Driver, Shotgun, Laser Rifle, and Sniper Rifle are in a class of their own. A 'special weapons' class... A class that has weapons that are specialized for their race and fall deeply into the races combat philosophy. We likely won't get racial variants of those weapons, at least not anytime soon. ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2468	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:38:00 - [3] - Quote I thought the flaylock was Caldari?.....it looks Caldari to me..... But meh I guess it goes with the minmatar explosives philosiphy Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 797	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:42:00 - [4] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: The Minmatar and Caldari get Sub machine guns, and the Amarr and Gallente will get Pistols. Amarr: Scrambler Pistol/ TBA Caldari: Bolt Pistol/ Magsec Gallente: Ion Pistol/ TBA Minmatar: Flaylock Pistol/ SMG I think the Mass Driver, Shotgun, Laser Rifle, and Sniper Rifle are in a class of their own. A 'special weapons' class... A class that has weapons that are specialized for their race and fall deeply into the races combat philosophy. We likely won't get racial variants of those weapons, at least not anytime soon. Edit: I forgot about the Flaylock and Bolt pistols. I guess every race will get a Pistol and SMG. That was my line of thinking until I thought about the Bolt Pistols and Flaylock. I guess that makes sense about the special weapons. Also @Fire of Prometheus, the Flaylock is obviously Minmatar because they love to blow up crap see Locus Grenades and Mass Drivers "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2291	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:42:00 - [5] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I thought the flaylock was Caldari?.....it looks Caldari to me..... But meh I guess it goes with the minmatar explosives philosiphy The Flaylock is very much Minmatar, including hardware design, manufacturers and use of explosive damage. If it was Caldari it would have used more propellant to give it no arc and relied on kinetic kill. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2291	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:46:00 - [6] - Quote Adding my vote that SMG will be a class that will eventually have all racial variants while Laser Rifle and Mass Driver fit in as special or support weapons. If the Laser Rifle was reworked some it could qualify as the Amarr version of a sniper. The Minmatar will be receiving the Precision Rifle which looks to be a mid-range tactical sniper. The Plasma Cannon is closer to the Mass Driver and less of an AV weapon. // Spear Lieutenant // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1013	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:50:00 - [7] - Quote As Martyr stated, CCP has plans for racial pistols but have not mentioned any plans for racial shotguns, laser rifles, sniper rifles (except for the Min precision rifle), and SMGs for the Amarr and Gallente. I hope the Amarr do get an SMG and it operates like this: Quote: The only thing that I can think of that would be suitably Amarrian while having an interesting twist is an Amarrian SMG that does have heat buildup... but no reload. In addition make it have a REALLY high RoF and ammo pool but lower damage per shot (to even things out) so the thing is an awesome light show. I can see how they could implement racial shotguns and sniper rifles, but it is quite possible CCP won't create any. !
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2468	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:54:00 - [8] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I thought the flaylock was Caldari?.....it looks Caldari to me..... But meh I guess it goes with the minmatar explosives philosiphy The Flaylock is very much Minmatar, including hardware design, manufacturers and use of explosive damage. If it was Caldari it would have used more propellant to give it no arc and relied on kinetic kill. Idk, compare it's design to the swarm launcher....the colour scheme and design seem similar.....either that or I am way to sleepy right now.....I think I'm just sleepy Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 314	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:01:00 - [9] - Quote It used to be that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper rifle were "special" weapons that pertained to the four factions' combat philosphy/tech. However, the precision rifle kind of throws a wrench into that framework, as it looks to be some sort of sniper rifle. So, I'd like 1 of 2 things to happen, then. 1) Laser gets bumped up to a sniper role (the Gallente would just use rail guns, the long-range version of hybrids, as sniper rifles, so no need to make a Gallente sniper rifle) 2) the Precision Rifle turns out to be some sort of anti-materiel rifle with a very slow RoF or some other drawback to make it less effective against infantry (and not just have it be a sniper rifle that can also shoot vehicles). On the topic of SMGs, though, I'd like to see some fresh concept for the Amarr, like maybe a version of the laser rifle that is close-ranged, and pulses instead of being a steady beam. Each pulse needs to be long enough not to just be a "bullet," however. Amarr HAV Speculation
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7683	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:03:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I thought the flaylock was Caldari?.....it looks Caldari to me..... But meh I guess it goes with the minmatar explosives philosiphy Cmon dude, the thing is brown, have you ever seen a Caldari anything brown? Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 358	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:06:00 - [11] - Quote i hope not, it makes sense for each race to have an assualt rifle but i want diversity and uniqueness in everything else "May God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ give you grace and peace" - Second Corinthians chapter one verse two.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 797	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:07:00 - [12] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: It used to be that the Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, Shotgun, and Sniper rifle were "special" weapons that pertained to the four factions' combat philosphy/tech. However, the precision rifle kind of throws a wrench into that framework, as it looks to be some sort of sniper rifle. So, I'd like 1 of 2 things to happen, then. 1) Laser gets bumped up to a sniper role (the Gallente would just use rail guns, the long-range version of hybrids, as sniper rifles, so no need to make a Gallente sniper rifle) 2) the Precision Rifle turns out to be some sort of anti-materiel rifle with a very slow RoF or some other drawback to make it less effective against infantry (and not just have it be a sniper rifle that can also shoot vehicles). On the topic of SMGs, though, I'd like to see some fresh concept for the Amarr, like maybe a version of the laser rifle that is close-ranged, and pulses instead of being a steady beam. Each pulse needs to be long enough not to just be a "bullet," however. Laser SMG? me gusta "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 678	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:15:00 - [13] - Quote the mass driver, shotgun and laser rifle fall under the catagory of specialist weapons and are all counterparts to each other. caldari currently dont have a specialist weapon yet. all races supposedly have a sniper rifle coming eventually as well if the percision rifle is any indication.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2468	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:15:00 - [14] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: I thought the flaylock was Caldari?.....it looks Caldari to me..... But meh I guess it goes with the minmatar explosives philosiphy Cmon dude, the thing is brown, have you ever seen a Caldari anything brown? Last time I used one it was steel grey (like Caldari tech).....but then again this was when they came out :p Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2468	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:16:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: the mass driver, shotgun and laser rifle fall under the catagory of specialist weapons and are all counterparts to each other. caldari currently dont have a specialist weapon yet. all races supposedly have a sniper rifle coming eventually as well if the percision rifle is any indication. Caldari have the sniper. Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Denak Kalamari Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 779	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:17:00 - [16] - Quote I always had this thought that there were a total of Sidearms - All the pistols and SMGs(so yes, we will get a laser and plasma SMG SoonTM) Light weapons - All the assault rifle variants Heavy weapons - The forge gun and HMG with Gallente and Amarr heavy weapons coming SoonTM AV weapons - the Plasma Cannon and Swarm launcher, would be interesting to see what Amarr and Minmatar AV would be. Special weapons - The weapons unique to their race only. The Gallente have the shotgun, Caldari sniper rifle, Minmatar mass driver and Amarr laser rifle Grahisha of ILF // Writer of Thoughts of a Clone Soldier // Latest entry published Dec. 27th
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 31	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:23:00 - [17] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Caldari have the sniper. I thought that rail gun tech was Gallente(blasters). No? "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2482	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:29:00 - [18] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Caldari have the sniper. I thought that rail gun tech was Gallente(blasters). No? Nope :) Rail-Caldari Blaster-gallente Laser-amarr Explosive-minmatar Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 84	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:49:00 - [19] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: Mitch Laurence wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: Caldari have the sniper. I thought that rail gun tech was Gallente(blasters). No? Nope :) Rail-Caldari Blaster-gallente Laser-amarr Explosive-minmatar That is partially correct. Amarr: Lasers Scramblers (Electrolasers) Caldari: Railguns Missiles (guided rockets) Gallente: Blasters Drones Railguns (on rare occasions) Minmatar: Bullets/Autocannons *Dumb Explosives (not stupid, just unguided) ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQTSTALLION... I AM THE STALLION


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