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Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1704	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:22:00 - [1] - Quote BPOs supposedly are not functioning as they were intended to or that mess, so they are no longer sold (outside of the 'Exile' Assault Rifle, which is in a pack still sold). The BPOs that could be bought with AURUM consisted of two types: Militia and standard. Militia gear is standard gear that costs less ISK, but costs more PG and CPU to equip. On top of this, militia gear is not affected by skills. Buying a militia BPO is equal to saying "I'm too lazy to keep buying militia crap." Militia gear is so cheap, a BPO of them is, well, kind of silly. What about standard though? The 'Valor' Scout one is an example and one in particular that I use. It is of, well, a Gallentean standard scout suit. Those that run the scout suit can vouch with me when I say that the scout's lifespan is rather... short on the average. When I wear the suit, I expect to live long enough to get to a point, hack, and throw my two uplinks I carry on it. That's it. When I die or get to a supply depot after throwing my uplinks, I change out to a different fitting. If you ever see me in a 'Valor' or 'Dren' scout suit after points have been taking, I'm being an asshat and planning to pillage the enemy redlines. (Seriously. I love skirmishing the redlines because people think they are safe there.) My 'Valor' is affected by skills. It is only a standard though and the price per standard scout suit is pocket change at best. People complain about BPOs "ruining the economy"... that doesn't exist yet. Standard gear is extremely cheap. Militia is cheaper. Running a full fitting of standard will save you, what, a max of 15k compared to the ISK variant? Let's be generous and say 15k. If you make 200k per game, that means you will have to die 15 times in one game to be at a loss of 25k ISK. If you die fifteen times in one game, you're probably in need of an update of tactics and it is a good idea that you practice more. If you are a strict scout, I do expect your life to be rather short. I will not defend you, however, as the dedicated scouts I've seen will not die enough to lose money. (Sly little ***.) A full militia BPO fitting isn't even 2k worth of ISK. You'd need to die 100 times in a full militia setup in a single game to be at some loss. If you die 100 times in one game... please, just do something else. I mention this section because I'm going to stab every single rebuttal that has been brought against BPOs (that I can remember) in this post. I apologize for the length of this section in particular. Planetary Conquest, should you maintain control of several districts, allow you to throw away full prototype gear as if it was militia. People speak of "ruining the economy" but turn white when the Farmville portion of Dust 514 is mentioned. My 15k per death is nothing compared to the 100-200k per death that some are throwing. You want to help the economy? Stomp out Farmville's broken mechanic. I've gone on and on about militia and standard BPOs for a while now, and that is soon to end. I have just one more thing to touch up about with these two. The 'Dren' and 'Covenant' (just for example) BPOs cannot be removed by CCP, because they were bought through the PSN store with money. They were part of packs that could only be bought with money. 'Valor', 'Dragonfly' (another one of my used BPOs), and every militia BPO... can be removed, altered, and repurposed however CCP sees fit because it was bought with AURUM, not money. You use money to get AURUM, yes, but by buying AURUM, that which you buy with AURUM is subjected to the terms that you agreed to. There is a third set of BPOs. People laugh and mock them, but they are truly a compromise. 'Recruit'. Yes, I mentioned it. 'Recruit'. That crappy stuff you get when you are recruited by someone. You know the 'Recruit' Submachine Gun? It has less damage than the standard Submachine Gun, you know. It's a militia BPO that does not follow the militia rule. This is the compromise, if you haven't realized it yet. "Balanced" BPOs. The 'Recruit' gear is infinite, but it is weaker. Why not bring back BPOs like this? Infinite, but weaker than militia? Slower ROF, less damage, less clip- these can all be met on agreeing terms, can't you see? We can have BPOs, it can** work. Infinite use, but weaker than militia. Could you compromise with me on this? Could we see eye to eye? Could you be okay with weaker than militia gear being BPO? Can we really agree? "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
Lorhak Gannarsein 942	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:38:00 - [2] - Quote NO UR RONG I'd be okay with that. The effect of BPOs on the economy, though, is far greater than you suggest - I tend to screw around in my BPOs - doing idiotic things I'd not do normally. My BPO 'Templar' suit is probably valued at 25kISK per - will update shortly - and I die in it about 5 times a match, or ten if I'm being an idiot. Which is between 125-250k I save per match. Whether that's a worthwhile expense for my money is not relevant, simply that if you consider the multitude of people doing the same thing... That's a lot of ISK being printed. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 878	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:40:00 - [3] - Quote I need an better overview of items, because apparently I'm running with crap fits haha DUSTBoard - Mercenary sheets DUSTSearch - DUST Forum mirror

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 11481	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:49:00 - [4] - Quote Remove BPOs from final product creation on the field. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Rail Turret =// Unlocked
Lorhak Gannarsein 942	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:50:00 - [5] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remove BPOs from final product creation on the field. could you elaborate? Not quite sure what you mean. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1850	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:52:00 - [6] - Quote My BPO suit cost 19k. If I didn't have the BPO is would cost 22k. I can save about 1500-3000 isk per fit. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 228	Posted - 2013.12.30 07:55:00 - [7] - Quote I save exactly 3 k per death due to my valor. Its very little and even though it adds up, Id save maybe 30k a match on a bad game. Thats why i generally just ignore the bpo threads about balancing issues. Not to mention once free trade starts up between dust and eve I have a corp that is based around faction war ad supplying both gear and orbital support to the ground teams as well as their ships in space. At that point I will start running proto scout suits probably every match. Of course if I start losing a ton of them ittl be back to the valor for a bit but from what I can tell, as nice of scores as I tend to get with the basic level suits I can probably grab some pretty wicked kill feeds with a proto. Point is 3k a death from my bpo...totally not gamebreaking even in the long run. Maybe if I died ten times a game every game for 10 games each day of the year I would not put as much into the economy but the suit is actually a pretty small portion of my fitting. I run pretty much all enhanced level gear on my suits. Yeah I like my bpo...the one bpo suit I have. Dedicated scout and proud to be one ^^ . Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2761	Posted - 2013.12.30 08:08:00 - [8] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: NO UR RONG I'd be okay with that. The effect of BPOs on the economy, though, is far greater than you suggest - I tend to screw around in my BPOs - doing idiotic things I'd not do normally. My BPO 'Templar' suit is probably valued at 25kISK per - will update shortly - and I die in it about 5 times a match, or ten if I'm being an idiot. Which is between 125-250k I save per match. Whether that's a worthwhile expense for my money is not relevant, simply that if you consider the multitude of people doing the same thing... That's a lot of ISK being printed. Poor maths. At most a Templar setup can run: Suit: 3k L: 1.5k S: 0.6k Eq: 0.9k (?) x2 for the logi Then militia BPOs for the modules. Let's say another 1.5k for the 4 slots available to the logi. So that's a maximum saving of less than 9,000 isk per suit. Not only that, but as you said in your post: you're more reckless with BPO fits, meaning that you're not really saving as much as you would have lost, because you would have played more conservatively without them. So, at best, you're making about 45,000isk per match by running BPO gear exclusively. That isn't exactly game breaking. If you're really concerned about potential threats to an unregulated player market, you only have to look to PC. Hundreds of millions, maybe billions, is generated weekly by Molden Heath. With turmoil and upheaval being a rarity in this game mode, corps are left to soak up untold amounts of isk with pretty much nothing to spend it on. Without heavy regulations that would undermine the appeal of the market in the first place, this one-sided flood of isk is a far greater threat to a working player market than a bunch of modules that rarely exceed 1,000 isk. So gimme a break from the blueprint doomsaying, and CCP, keep your damn hands off our inventories. No.
Lorhak Gannarsein 943	Posted - 2013.12.30 09:31:00 - [9] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: NO UR RONG I'd be okay with that. The effect of BPOs on the economy, though, is far greater than you suggest - I tend to screw around in my BPOs - doing idiotic things I'd not do normally. My BPO 'Templar' suit is probably valued at 25kISK per - will update shortly - and I die in it about 5 times a match, or ten if I'm being an idiot. Which is between 125-250k I save per match. Whether that's a worthwhile expense for my money is not relevant, simply that if you consider the multitude of people doing the same thing... That's a lot of ISK being printed. Poor maths. At most a Templar setup can run: Suit: 3k L: 1.5k S: 0.6k Eq: 0.9k (?) x2 for the logi Then militia BPOs for the modules. Let's say another 1.5k for the 4 slots available to the logi. So that's a maximum saving of less than 9,000 isk per suit. Not only that, but as you said in your post: you're more reckless with BPO fits, meaning that you're not really saving as much as you would have lost, because you would have played more conservatively without them. So, at best, you're making about 45,000isk per match by running BPO gear exclusively. That isn't exactly game breaking. If you're really concerned about potential threats to an unregulated player market, you only have to look to PC. Hundreds of millions, maybe billions, is generated weekly by Molden Heath. With turmoil and upheaval being a rarity in this game mode, corps are left to soak up untold amounts of isk with pretty much nothing to spend it on. Without heavy regulations that would undermine the appeal of the market in the first place, this one-sided flood of isk is a far greater threat to a working player market than a bunch of modules that rarely exceed 1,000 isk. So gimme a break from the blueprint doomsaying, and CCP, keep your damn hands off our inventories. Yep, it turns out I was running more expensive mods on the suit I was thinking of. So my post is now primarily void. I'd still be okay with them being nerfed, though, assuming the alternative was them no longer being infinite. I will say, though, that if I save up to 40k per match, others are doing the same thing. That does add up to a bit of ISK, but as you say, it's not really that significant. PRO tanker and proud. Lentarr Legionary.
Lucrezia LeGrand 139	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:32:00 - [10] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: The 'Dren' and 'Covenant' (just for example) BPOs cannot be removed by CCP, because they were bought through the PSN store with money. They were part of packs that could only be bought with money. 'Valor', 'Dragonfly' (another one of my used BPOs), and every militia BPO... can be removed, altered, and repurposed however CCP sees fit because it was bought with AURUM, not money. You use money to get AURUM, yes, but by buying AURUM, that which you buy with AURUM is subjected to the terms that you agreed to. yeah, except some of us DID pay real money for Dragonfly Suits. I'm not sure if you remember, but both Dragonfly suits and Toxin weapons were part of the mercenary packs that were sold on PSN, Amazon, and Gamestop, all places where real currency (not Aurum) were used in the transaction.

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1709	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:36:00 - [11] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: yeah, except some of us DID pay real money for Dragonfly Suits. I'm not sure if you remember, but both Dragonfly suits and Toxin weapons were part of the mercenary packs that were sold on PSN, Amazon, and Gamestop, all places where real currency (not Aurum) were used in the transaction. That is true. If I remember correctly, those two were able to be gotten from the first pack that retired, the Mercenary Pack? Those two are potentially in a state of limbo if CCP is approaching this like I think they are, Edit: I remember now. That's the Assault 'Dragonfly' that you're thinking of. Toxin is still up for debate as to whether or not it is able to be touched, since there were two ways to get it. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
Lucrezia LeGrand 139	Posted - 2013.12.30 10:56:00 - [12] - Quote T-T I really hope they leave the BPO's alone. I've spent a little over 50 dollars on Dust and it has all been for BPO's. I have yet to see something as compelling to spend real money on, and removal of the BPO's I have would definitely be a deal breaker for me and enough to call it quits on this game. What makes CCP's ambiguous approach to BPO's more unsettling was the way they discontinued them. Prior to the items being taken off the market CCP encouraged mass purchases. here and here. They also said BPO's wouldn't be removed here. If they hated them so much, why encourage us to buy them? This double-faced behavior leaves me worried and I don't feel like I have enough faith in CCP to keep them at their word. Any day now, I expect (especially when the player market is ready to come out) to read an announcement where they will change their stance on existing BPO's.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1709	Posted - 2013.12.30 11:06:00 - [13] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: T-T I really hope they leave the BPO's alone. I've spent a little over 50 dollars on Dust and it has all been for BPO's. I have yet to see something as compelling to spend real money on, and removal of the BPO's I have would definitely be a deal breaker for me and enough to call it quits on this game. They cannot remove anything that was bought from the PSN store, as I said. Anything bought with AURUM means you are subject to the terms and agreements that you already agreed to. Quote: What makes CCP's ambiguous approach to BPO's more unsettling was the way they discontinued them. Prior to the items being taken off the market CCP encouraged mass purchases. They didn't say "buy as many as you can!" Look at how they worded it. The way they worded it is not some dark mystical message hidden. They are literally telling you that they are removing the ways to get the BPOs outside of the packs and it's your last chance to get them. Quote: They also said BPO's wouldn't be removed here. They aren't removing the BPOs of those packs. The BPOs that were completely removed were militia vehicle modules that only a few people used, and even then that was for a short time. They removed them because, well, the module does not exist anymore. That's right. The entirety of those modules does not exist after the overhaul of vehicles happened. I'm trying to get that through people's heads, but they refuse to listen. Quote: If they hated them so much, why encourage us to buy them? This double-faced behavior leaves me worried and I don't feel like I have enough faith in CCP to keep them at their word. Any day now, I expect (especially when the player market is ready to come out) to read an announcement where they will change their stance on existing BPO's. They did not encourage to buy them when the packs were being removed, at least not in an abundance (which is what people did and they turned to place blame on CCP because of their own mistakes). "Last chance." As I mentioned earlier, they cannot touch any BPO obtained from a pack, as those packs were gotten from the PSN store, not AURUM. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
Blue Buggs L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 42	Posted - 2013.12.30 12:25:00 - [14] - Quote The scout 'dragonfly' suits were part of the first merc packs that got retired. The assault variant was later on
voidfaction Void of Faction 91	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:23:00 - [15] - Quote So you say my Dragonfly Scout Dropsuit Dragonfly Assault Dropsuit Covenant Assault Dropsuit Covenant Sniper Rifle Exile Assault Rifle Toxin Assault Rifle Toxin SMG Syndicate SMG are safe but I could possibly lose my Valor Scout Raven Assault Sever Logi and all BPO modules. Hey CCP just give me my Valor scout skin that I can apply to any gallente scout dropsuit and the same with the toxin skin for any assault rifle and smg and I will be happy. Same goes for the Raven Assault skin and Exile skin. Main reason I use them are the skin colors. I would gladly trade all my BPO's for the suit and weapon skins and colors. Would also like to buy Neo Scout mk.0 skin.
IVIaster LUKE 300	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:24:00 - [16] - Quote My BPO "Thale" scout dropsuit compared to his "Thale" sniper rifle is a funny joke. 1 high slot, 1 low slot and no sidearm. I know that piece of junk isn't hurting the imaginary economy. "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1448	Posted - 2013.12.30 13:51:00 - [17] - Quote Quote: Why not bring back BPOs like this? Because unlimited items which you never have to restock are bad for the economy, no matter how bad they are. I think they should just introduce industry and let us build this stuff or let us sell it to an Eve player who can use it to build it. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 72	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:19:00 - [18] - Quote who cares imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 331	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:31:00 - [19] - Quote Ive made many times more from pc and being paid whilst in anonymous than I did in my raven bpo suit. Bpo's are not gonna break the market when the are individuals with more money than whole corps. Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!!
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 2007	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:35:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remove BPOs from final product creation on the field. Nope cause certain BPO's like the skinweaves have no price tag on them and im not willing to drop them. This goes aswell for my MAG tributed suits. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun

Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1804	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:56:00 - [21] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Remove BPOs from final product creation on the field. only if you want to give me back my money... Bpo's in no way hurt or ever will hurt the in game economy. I don't really even use them anymore because a full bpo fit has no survivability now. plus ccp has already removed them from the market so the people who have them now will be a small portion of the player base as time goes on. I want to see math proving they hurt any mechanic in dust or I proclaim now the QQ about them in game is unfounded and uninformed nonsense... stop the lol bans in FW.... instead make teamkillers purple! https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=129910&fi
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 98	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:56:00 - [22] - Quote OP about the 'Dragonfly' yes they were on the game store BUT they were also part of the MERCENARY PACKS, then they removed the 'Dragonfly' Scout Suit for the 'Dragonfly' Assault Suit. In otherwords most of the people have the Mercenary Pack 'Dragonfly' Suits which are the same as the ones which were in the ingame market but bought directly on PSN Store for Real Cash. Futhermore the majority of those which got BPOs with AUR spent real CA$H just to purchase the BPOs which were in the ingame Market. Then CCP Removed some of them even from the players. Probably the worse part in this whole story is that CCP openly stated to people to run out and buy the ELITE, VETERAN and MERCENARY Packs because they were going to remove them yet they stated they would not remove BPOs, in less than a month CCP then removed various vehicle modules. Then CCP FORCED an AURUM Refund when they could have offered to EXCHANGE the items removed for other BPOs which have not been REMOVED from game. This isn't a fair refund but a FORCED REFUND - If U buy a shirt and don't like it you can get usually one of the following refunds: 1. Full Cash Refund - CCP Could have given us the CREDIT back on the PSN Store, in the end most of those which PURCHASED the BPOs all used REAL LIFE CA$H to make the purchase just for said items, a full cash refund is perfectly reasonable. 2. Exchange the Shirt for Another Item of SIMILAR VALUE - CCP Could have Exchanged the BPOs Removed for another BPO which still exists in game and there are many... 3. A Shopping Voucher - CCP Could then AFTER the first two options are not accepted by the client provide them with an AURUM Refund. Shame that CCP didn't even take us into consideration or ask what kind of refund we would have prefered. DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 69	Posted - 2013.12.30 14:58:00 - [23] - Quote BPO's aren't affecting the economy any more than the free starter ships affect the economy in eve. I've said this before and im saying it again.
NomaDz 2K DUTY FR33 98	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:07:00 - [24] - Quote Lucrezia LeGrand wrote: Kasote Denzara wrote: The 'Dren' and 'Covenant' (just for example) BPOs cannot be removed by CCP, because they were bought through the PSN store with money. They were part of packs that could only be bought with money. 'Valor', 'Dragonfly' (another one of my used BPOs), and every militia BPO... can be removed, altered, and repurposed however CCP sees fit because it was bought with AURUM, not money. You use money to get AURUM, yes, but by buying AURUM, that which you buy with AURUM is subjected to the terms that you agreed to. yeah, except some of us DID pay real money for Dragonfly Suits. I'm not sure if you remember, but both Dragonfly suits and Toxin weapons were part of the mercenary packs that were sold on PSN, Amazon, and Gamestop, all places where real currency (not Aurum) were used in the transaction. /\ THIS DON'T SPEND CA$H ON DUST 514 CCP WILL ONLY GIVE YOU AUR AFTER THEY REMOVE YOUR BPOs WHICH U SPENT REAL MONGé¼Y ON!
xSynnx x Requiem of Shadows DEADSPACE SOCIETY 2	Posted - 2013.12.30 15:21:00 - [25] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: NO UR RONG I'd be okay with that. The effect of BPOs on the economy, though, is far greater than you suggest - I tend to screw around in my BPOs - doing idiotic things I'd not do normally. My BPO 'Templar' suit is probably valued at 25kISK per - will update shortly - and I die in it about 5 times a match, or ten if I'm being an idiot. Which is between 125-250k I save per match. Whether that's a worthwhile expense for my money is not relevant, simply that if you consider the multitude of people doing the same thing... That's a lot of ISK being printed. Poor maths. At most a Templar setup can run: Suit: 3k L: 1.5k S: 0.6k Eq: 0.9k (?) x2 for the logi Then militia BPOs for the modules. Let's say another 1.5k for the 4 slots available to the logi. So that's a maximum saving of less than 9,000 isk per suit. Not only that, but as you said in your post: you're more reckless with BPO fits, meaning that you're not really saving as much as you would have lost, because you would have played more conservatively without them. So, at best, you're making about 45,000isk per match by running BPO gear exclusively. That isn't exactly game breaking. If you're really concerned about potential threats to an unregulated player market, you only have to look to PC. Hundreds of millions, maybe billions, is generated weekly by Molden Heath. With turmoil and upheaval being a rarity in this game mode, corps are left to soak up untold amounts of isk with pretty much nothing to spend it on. Without heavy regulations that would undermine the appeal of the market in the first place, this one-sided flood of isk is a far greater threat to a working player market than a bunch of modules that rarely exceed 1,000 isk. So gimme a break from the blueprint doomsaying, and CCP, keep your damn hands off our inventories. Welcome to EveOnline (not saying i like it, just pointing out the obvious)
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 926	Posted - 2013.12.30 16:49:00 - [26] - Quote why do you want bpos that are worse than MLT grade? I even have the name worked out "cannon fodder". I recently saw a thread where people posted the cost of the suit they run most frequently, much to my surprise and later horror very few protostompers were present but rather post after post of bpo, 9k, 8k, 250 isk, bpo, ect. at first I didn't connect the dots and simply put down 33k(the cost of my scout) and left. now comes the horror part, lets assume everyone dies 5 time a match for me that is 150k isk lost for cheap suits that is > 50k isk now everyone gets paid 170k you make 120k and I make 20k. hang on where the hell is my risk reward I am running far better gear and risking far more! okay personal gripes aside lets blow this up CCP sets market prices, to set market prices correctly everyone needs to make money according to what they are worth prices are set such that they represent a percentage of your income. in theory those who can use more expensive gear can afford to buy more expensive gear and make more isk per match, however as shown about this isn't the case people who run lower grade gear(largely bpo) are earning more than those who run more expensive gear. solutions: make low grade gear more expensive (makes exactly as much sense as it sounds) pay low grade mercs less (you're worth less. you're going into an important PC battle do you take the guy straight out of academy or the protobear?... exactly) make it less profitable to run **** fits (oh knows the protostomping!!!!, you deserve it) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ why do I care? why Am I being vindictive? firstly it makes for lousy matches when half your team are running fits that never should have seen the light of day. secondly it wrecks the economy which interrupts the implementation of a player market. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 137	Posted - 2013.12.30 17:17:00 - [27] - Quote i did not buy my raven or any of my other suits with aur. i bought them from psn for real money. the only bpo's i bought from the market with aur were the milyia prints.
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 274	Posted - 2013.12.30 19:46:00 - [28] - Quote Coming out positive at the end of a match is different than not losing a cent. And just because there isn't a market to trade things on doesn't mean there isn't a primitive economy. You yourself explain how certain groups have greater purchasing power and value ISK/gear less than others. But I agree with you on one point: PC should not be the massive faucet it currently is. I say keep BPOs, (hell, add more!) but remove ISK generation from the passive accrual of clones. District ownership should COST money to maintain. The clones should be generated only to the point where they fill the district, then stop generating. If the owner wants to cut into their defenses to manually sell the clones (to other players/corporations, not to an NPC buy order) for ISK, then that is the risk they take. The district itself should have a fee to maintain, like a sov bill, and should increase exponentially the more districts owned. This, of course, should be coupled with the addition of PVE or old-style corp contracts where the District owner can wager money for matches without putting up clones as a means of using the land they own to generate profit The clones generated would still be the primary means to assault districts, but the clone packs should no longer be provided from NPCs nor sold to them. Corps looking to get into PC would buy them off the open market from corps that generate them. CEO of General Tso's Alliance. Winner of Hulkageddon IV. Contact me on my EVE character: Burseg Sardaukar
Spectre-M The Generals General Tso's Alliance 155	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:08:00 - [29] - Quote Makes me wonder where all the HTFU crowd went. BPOs we're never hurting the economy. PC districts being locked by alt corps already ruined the economy. That's why you see so many proto stomping corps, because they can just throw isk at pubs/FW without flinching. But apparently CCP has an economist they employ to make sure it's viable. They ****** up. Now we have individuals with billions. Amarr Factional Warfare Loyalist Minnmatar in Amarr Armor I am a Wolf in Sheeps Clothing
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7219	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:08:00 - [30] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: I've gone on and on about militia and standard BPOs for a while now, and that is soon to end. I have just one more thing to touch up about with these two. The 'Dren' and 'Covenant' (just for example) BPOs cannot be removed by CCP, because they were bought through the PSN store with money. They were part of packs that could only be bought with money. 'Valor', 'Dragonfly' (another one of my used BPOs), and every militia BPO... can be removed, altered, and repurposed however CCP sees fit because it was bought with AURUM, not money. You use money to get AURUM, yes, but by buying AURUM, that which you buy with AURUM is subjected to the terms that you agreed to. These examples are terrible. Both 'Dragonfly' suits were part of a pack - and although the Valour suit was in the market it too was part of a closed beta pack which included all three MAG inspired suits. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'

Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 76	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:07:00 - [31] - Quote xSynnx x wrote: Your right, because this is somehow relevant. A militia suit has a chance vs prototype. A rookie ship does not have a chance vs a T2 frig. i bet you couldnt even break the passive shield recharge of an assualt frigate. Even a non shield tanking one. In Dust, when you need make isk you revert to militia, at least most people do. So militia suits are heavily used, by just about everyone. Or when your trying to handicap yourself. When do you EVER revert to a rookie ship in eve? or do you even play? It's ok for a laugh, or as part of a theme like trying to gank someone with 50 rookie ships. But you cant mission in them, you cant rat in them, you can barely mine in them. i fail to see your argument here... Erm, bullshit? You can mission in the free t1 frigs, what do you think the noobs of eve do before they get the money to buy a better ship? You can also rat in them, and more importantly you can MINE in them. Granted you can't take on the strongest rats, you can't do missions above lvl 1 and you can't mine very much each run, but this is all irrelevant because the issue here is that you can still earn money without having to spend ANYTHING. (just like with starter suits or BPO's) You don't even have to buy ammunition for the starter newbie weapon because ammo is unlimited Yet somehow this hasn't upset Eves market economy in the slightest. Just like BPO's aren't going to upset the economy in dust or any future market integration because of a very simple fact: nobody wants to spend their whole gameplay experience in only low level BPO-suits. In other words: demand for non-BPO items is high enough to make the market go round. So there you have my argument, and it's ******* waterproof.


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