DUST Search - Who would get behind this?

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

No.
I'm not against Protostomp and not with it neither (i don't play proto in Pub or FW i run usually advanced (Exept my equipements which are protos).
I mean what the point about making a good fit during years to finally use a nooby suit with equipement that sucks (i'm a logi so i ALWAYS got a high meta level.)
"Personal satisfaction about taking out proto" Oh come on since hit detection you see the proto first it dies like an Militia XD
I've played since 2 months only in advanced and protos dies in less than 0.001sec you see you shoot it dies.
I never fought it was hard to kill them.
Just requires some...basic tactics that i already use against everything....(even some Dragonfly suits...)

I mean what the point about unlocking protosuits ?
What the point about PLAYING if when you unlock modules and equipements you can't use it without winning NOTHING when you plays with it ?

It will kill the game progression.
Old players will see no point about playing anymore. (Yeaaaah we are sooooo nice than when we have 20 million sp and years to unlock these suits WE ARE GONNA USE MILITIA. Because we love dying faster and makes no damage.)
Wake up dude just..NO.

Make some special Mode where you can't use bigger than STD or ADV (With lower payouts) well okay why not.
Everybody can choice.
It will create diversity then ok that's cool.

Or increase the fact than when the ennemy team have a high Meta level the Isk payout is Bigger.
Well that should be increase because now the ISk payout don't really change.....
But make it that for everybody that's...kinda bad.

ISK changements because of meta level the ennemy use well..YES.
New game mode for STD / ADV well that would be nice.

But changing WP well..no.

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Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1436	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:03:00 - [1] - Quote Base Kill WP rewards on the total Meta of the Fitting you destroyed. Maybe something like total meta multiplied by 3 "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 611	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:04:00 - [2] - Quote Would b too many issues with it. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1690	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:05:00 - [3] - Quote you could easily get way over 100 points if someone ran all proto. But all standard gear kill would probably award less than 50, Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 571	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:05:00 - [4] - Quote More reasons to not LogiBro. Yes!
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1436	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:06:00 - [5] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: you could easily get way over 100 points if someone ran all proto. But all standard gear kill would probably award less than 50, I don't see a problem with that, It's kind of the point actually. If you want to risk running Full Proto Squads against noobs in MLT Gear, you will be rewarded accordingly. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1436	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:08:00 - [6] - Quote RKKR wrote: More reasons to not LogiBro. Yes! A few more WP for killing a Logi? Meh, I usually target Healers first anyway. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Justice Prevails 152	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:18:00 - [7] - Quote Like the idea, but as RKKR stated, a logi genuinely wanting to help his team would be screwed. If you exclude equipment, base it on weapons, and modules and suits, it might work. Might be too complicated to implement though. Great job, team. Head back to the MCC for debriefing and cocktails.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1436	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:23:00 - [8] - Quote Justice Prevails wrote: Like the idea, but as RKKR stated, a logi genuinely wanting to help his team would be screwed. If you exclude equipment, base it on weapons, and modules and suits, it might work. Might be too complicated to implement though. I see where he's coming from, but honestly, like I said, I target healers first when I encounter them. Another point is that the reward would also reflect the contribution to the team you made by taking out the enemy support. Logistic Players make quite a lot of WP and ISK by supporting their team, so the elimination of such a valuable asset to the enemy should be rewarded in kind. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 571	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:37:00 - [9] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Justice Prevails wrote: Like the idea, but as RKKR stated, a logi genuinely wanting to help his team would be screwed. If you exclude equipment, base it on weapons, and modules and suits, it might work. Might be too complicated to implement though. I see where he's coming from, but honestly, like I said, I target healers first when I encounter them. Another point is that the reward would also reflect the contribution to the team you made by taking out the enemy support. Logistic Players make quite a lot of WP and ISK by supporting their team, so the elimination of such a valuable asset to the enemy should be rewarded in kind. Logistics players also invest lot's of ISK in their fits' so we already bring more Value to the ISK payout if you may believe the system CCP explains to us. I don't feel like this game rewards support roles as it should. Sure it gives us LTS of WP but it's not vers exciting or effective lately, making them even more of a target is thus ridicilous. The meta-game is also unbalanced as hell, redesign YES, more stuff based on bad design NO!
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1437	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:46:00 - [10] - Quote RKKR wrote: Master Jaraiya wrote: Justice Prevails wrote: Like the idea, but as RKKR stated, a logi genuinely wanting to help his team would be screwed. If you exclude equipment, base it on weapons, and modules and suits, it might work. Might be too complicated to implement though. I see where he's coming from, but honestly, like I said, I target healers first when I encounter them. Another point is that the reward would also reflect the contribution to the team you made by taking out the enemy support. Logistic Players make quite a lot of WP and ISK by supporting their team, so the elimination of such a valuable asset to the enemy should be rewarded in kind. Logistics players also invest lot's of ISK in their fits' so we already bring more Value to the ISK payout if you may believe the system CCP explains to us. I don't feel like this game rewards support roles as it should. Sure it gives us LTS of WP but it's not vers exciting or effective lately, making them even more of a target is thus ridicilous. The meta-game is also unbalanced as hell, redesign YES, more stuff based on bad design NO! The thing is, if you are really playing as a Support Logi, you will be running Higher Meta Equipment, but lower Meta Defensive modules and especially weapons. If you are playing an assault Role, you will be running the Best Offense and Defense Possible, while your equipment takes the backseat. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*

RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 571	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:51:00 - [11] - Quote Guess what, most logis picked gallente Logi from the start so they could run higher defense meta modules and proto equipment.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1437	Posted - 2013.12.29 17:53:00 - [12] - Quote RKKR wrote: Guess what, most logis picked gallente Logi from the start so they could run higher defense meta modules and proto equipment. Thats fine, but you are probably using a lower Meta weapon and grenade, where an Assault is using 2 Prototype weapons and most likely at least adv or better grenades, plus Complex defensive modules in their preferred tank. The meta levels between the two would most likely be relatively close. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 572	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:11:00 - [13] - Quote Maybe. Do I get more rewards for repping higher meta gear or using higher meta gear? Using a MLT AR is more effective than using a MLT nanohive compared to their their higher META-gear. Point is META game is unbalanced, **** and ruining the game. A redesign could make all roles more fun and rewarding,
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1437	Posted - 2013.12.29 18:24:00 - [14] - Quote RKKR wrote: Maybe. Do I get more rewards for repping higher meta gear or using higher meta gear? Using a MLT AR is more effective than using a MLT nanohive compared to their their higher META-gear. Point is META game is unbalanced, **** and ruining the game. A redesign could make all roles more fun and rewarding, Perhaps a better way would be to Divide the total Meta of a Suit or Vehicle by the Number of slots, then multiply the quotient by the WP Multiplier, finally, round to the nearest whole number to get the WP reward for eliminating said target. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 134	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:20:00 - [15] - Quote RKKR wrote: Guess what, most logis picked gallente Logi from the start so they could run higher defense meta modules and proto equipment. Most went Caldari in the beginning actually.
bolsh lee Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 764	Posted - 2013.12.29 19:59:00 - [16] - Quote I could see this being effective if our WP actually contributed to some form of equipment call in (player owned supply depots rail/blaster turrets etc ) then if the opposing team were to be careless with high meta gear it could possibly give the underdog or less geared side an advantage.. Although CCP would need to release more potential player owned equipment some that could influence the field..
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 527	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:17:00 - [17] - Quote Interesting, base kill wp on the type of suit and meta lvl. I'm sure that there would be some flaws that would need to be worked out but this is an interesting idea, I can definitely see the potential in this or something like it.
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 572	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:31:00 - [18] - Quote AP Grasshopper wrote: RKKR wrote: Guess what, most logis picked gallente Logi from the start so they could run higher defense meta modules and proto equipment. Most went Caldari in the beginning actually. Yeah for playing "LogiBros" .
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 234	Posted - 2013.12.29 20:44:00 - [19] - Quote Master Jaraiya wrote: Base Kill WP rewards on the total Meta of the Fitting you destroyed. Maybe something like total meta multiplied by 3 This would scale rewards to match the effort placed into the elimination of a target It would discourage the use of Proto vs MLT It would open a whole new Meta Game by encouraging players to create efficient, low meta fittings. It would reward new players with More ISK, SP, and personal satisfaction when they are able to take out players in Prototype Gear, thus improving the NPE. It would benefit veterans, especially in PC, by drastically increasing the rewards earned when facing an opponent that is equally or even better equipped. I'm sure there are more Pros. No. I'm not against Protostomp and not with it neither (i don't play proto in Pub or FW i run usually advanced (Exept my equipements which are protos). I mean what the point about making a good fit during years to finally use a nooby suit with equipement that sucks (i'm a logi so i ALWAYS got a high meta level.) "Personal satisfaction about taking out proto" Oh come on since hit detection you see the proto first it dies like an Militia XD I've played since 2 months only in advanced and protos dies in less than 0.001sec you see you shoot it dies. I never fought it was hard to kill them. Just requires some...basic tactics that i already use against everything....(even some Dragonfly suits...) I mean what the point about unlocking protosuits ? What the point about PLAYING if when you unlock modules and equipements you can't use it without winning NOTHING when you plays with it ? It will kill the game progression. Old players will see no point about playing anymore. (Yeaaaah we are sooooo nice than when we have 20 million sp and years to unlock these suits WE ARE GONNA USE MILITIA. Because we love dying faster and makes no damage.) Wake up dude just..NO. Make some special Mode where you can't use bigger than STD or ADV (With lower payouts) well okay why not. Everybody can choice. It will create diversity then ok that's cool. Or increase the fact than when the ennemy team have a high Meta level the Isk payout is Bigger. Well that should be increase because now the ISk payout don't really change..... But make it that for everybody that's...kinda bad. ISK changements because of meta level the ennemy use well..YES. New game mode for STD / ADV well that would be nice. But changing WP well..no.
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1439	Posted - 2013.12.29 21:19:00 - [20] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: No. I'm not against Protostomp and not with it neither (i don't play proto in Pub or FW i run usually advanced (Exept my equipements which are protos). I mean what the point about making a good fit during years to finally use a nooby suit with equipement that sucks (i'm a logi so i ALWAYS got a high meta level.) "Personal satisfaction about taking out proto" Oh come on since hit detection you see the proto first it dies like an Militia XD I've played since 2 months only in advanced and protos dies in less than 0.001sec you see you shoot it dies. I never fought it was hard to kill them. Just requires some...basic tactics that i already use against everything....(even some Dragonfly suits...) I mean what the point about unlocking protosuits ? What the point about PLAYING if when you unlock modules and equipements you can't use it without winning NOTHING when you plays with it ? It will kill the game progression. Old players will see no point about playing anymore. (Yeaaaah we are sooooo nice than when we have 20 million sp and years to unlock these suits WE ARE GONNA USE MILITIA. Because we love dying faster and makes no damage.) Wake up dude just..NO. Make some special Mode where you can't use bigger than STD or ADV (With lower payouts) well okay why not. Everybody can choice. It will create diversity then ok that's cool. Or increase the fact than when the ennemy team have a high Meta level the Isk payout is Bigger. Well that should be increase because now the ISk payout don't really change..... But make it that for everybody that's...kinda bad. ISK changements because of meta level the ennemy use well..YES. New game mode for STD / ADV well that would be nice. But changing WP well..no. I would answer you logically, but you contradict yourself so much, your post just tells me that you only desire to have good rewards for little effort. First you say Protos die just as easy as MLT (LOL), but then you turn around and say vets will leave because "we love dying faster and makes no damage." (by using lower tier gear) So which is it? Protos are just as easy as MLT, or do Protos have a clear advantage over MLT? I think we all know the answer! Nobody said you wouldn't be able to use prototype gear anyway. You could still use proto, you could still protostomp noobs, it just wouldn't be as profitable or rewarding as it is now. It seems to me you just want to protostomp, encounter little to no resistance, and get paid the same or better rewards as lower level players who struggle in every single match they play. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*

Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1439	Posted - 2013.12.30 02:16:00 - [21] - Quote Any new thoughts toward this? "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 5	Posted - 2013.12.30 02:31:00 - [22] - Quote Personally I'd prefer a battle commission that's paid on the spot when you kill a suit, or destroy a vehicle (i.e. you get paid 25% of whatever that proto-suit you just dropped, 10% if it's an assist. clone has to die) It'd be reflected on the end of the battle report but it still be separate that way if you get DC'd part way through the match it is somewhat of a wash and your simply are just out the suits you lost. Feels like I should make a separate thread about this.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 7208	Posted - 2013.12.30 18:55:00 - [23] - Quote This... is actually pretty interesting. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1445	Posted - 2013.12.30 20:56:00 - [24] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: This... is actually pretty interesting. Not trying to toot my own horn here or anything, but, IKR! lol It makes sense to me to have greater rewards for more difficult kills and lesser rewards fro easier kills. "The true measure of a shinobi is not how he lives, but how he dies." *- The Toad Sage*


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