Honestly, I don't like any of your suggestions.

If the rifles are balanced against each other, why changing the base mechanics? If anything, lower the damage of... let's say 5% for all rifles?

I think the ScR should be worse at hip fire.

Otherwise, good balance.

FTFY.

EDIT: WRY YOU SO BROKEN, QUOTE?

Bringing all "X Rifle" damage down by 5% would bring more balance: it would mean that all other weapons would be viable within their niche. The reason the Rifles are so common is because they are so versatile where the speciality weapons (HMG, Mass Driver, Laser Rifle, etc) are all very powerful in their niche but less powerful outside it (less so with the poor Laser Rifle...)

Bringing Rifle damage down by a small amount would increase generic Time-To-Kill and make the more speciality weapons shine when put to use properly while the Rifles would still be very versatile.

"Hey my weapons are op ! Can we buff the ENTIRE GAME instead of just nerfing 4 weapons ? (Rifles) "
Dude seriously.
With your simple quote you just prove than these weapons are OP.
BUT i think the others rifle are Op too or not working as intended.
SOOOOOO
Nerf the 4 Rifles (and SMG) BAM balanced Game. (Infantry)

The actual problem is that people defend their rifle by saying "Hey it's not op against this other rifle ! it's balanced"
WRONG.
These 4 rifles are ALL OP.
Yes they are balanced each others.
But they ****** up the whole game with this ridiculous TTK and make the game a bad copy of COD.
It even kill the "Fitting" of the game which is now just "DAMAAAAAGER".
These 4 rifles need Balance not just NEEERF or "we let this destroy the game because i make kill with it *Douchebag*"
It needs to be balanced.


Scrambler Rifle : Nerf the RoF (15% less RoF) and lower the Mag of the semi-auto Version to 25 => But give a small bonus to Headshot (5/10% more damage than now in Headshot) it will reward players that takes their time to make perfect charge shots and punish the "spam" players that hit their shoot button as fast as possible.
No need for other nerf this weapon already takes 11PG to fit STD and 20 at PRO that's a HEAVY cost when you fit your dropsuit.
As intended.
The Assault version is pretty balanced BUT it should heat up quickly and make it lose his mag when it Heat up. (Only the Assault Version)

Assault Rifle : Nerf the Effective Range to make it worse at range it's supposed to be the less effective rifle at mid/long range.
And Nerf the optimal range..
But give more RoF (50 RPM)
And Better accuracy when not aiming (Sorry for my bad english).
You think that's a buff ? Not really an Worse range make a weapon really weaker.
BAM awesome CQC rifle but not OP at range.
As intended.
I don't think the others version of the Assault rifle should exist they should be deleted (With SP and ISK refund)


Combat Rifle : Supposed to be an Mid range Weapon it's more an "I see you so you're dead BAM One shot bitchies"
First make the time between each burst higher. (At least Twice)
But make the burst shot 3 more bullet.
Then add more Recoil at the end of each burst.
It have 10% more damage on armor and 5% less on Shield Where is the logic here ????
It's more powerful than all other weapon by that fact......
Bring 0% on armor and 0% on shield. No advantage no drawbacks : Balanced.
It's minmatarr technology it's explain the low PG/CPU fitting.
But it should also cost less ISK : 25% less than now making it a cheap weapon easy to fit and average against everything.
Polyvalent Weapon.
As intended.
The Armor/Shield Balance already affect the Assault version just add some bigger Recoil.


Rail Rifle : Supposed to be an long range weapon it actually outclass the other rifle (So all the weapon) at mid range.
Higher the charge up time before start shooting. (0.5sec)
Make the bullets had trace like the sniper rifle : We could know from where we have been shot.
Higher the Recoil of the assault Version.
Higher the Damage of 1 for all version.


Here are your balanced weapons.
Don't think one of them rifles are not totally ****** up THEY ARE.
That's not a question "Are they ?" They are and her's the solution not just nerf or buff but Balance. Not to each others but each to ALL THE GAME.
Sorry for my bad english ask if you don't understand something i xcould maybe try to say it correctly (with other words)

For all of you i got the FINAL feedback.
I finally understand what's your problem now.

Okay let's try :

For you 50% more damage
Less 1000% damage receive.
You can illimity sprint and exceptionnaly this is ONLY FOR YOU.


Yep that's what you want be an Half-god you want everything to be nerf EXEPT what your using.
And then we nerf what you're using because that's op and then you cry yes you cry because you discover than you're NOT good you're NOT skilled.
That's exactly your opinion on this thread i'm sure of it you see that one of these 4 weapons are your main weapon so.....you're crying again and again to keep it as powerful than before....
Or if you're......well intelligent giving some crappy ideas or nerf so useless than your weapons will still be beast.




Too Bad ^^ even before you just THINK or SEE this thread i already knew you were going to cry for defending your OP weapon to the end.
My proposition are NOT hasardous ideas here and/or there.
These Modification don't EVEN bring these weapon at the same level than the others.
They keep these weapon far higher than the others.

No they are balanced stop it scrub

You're the only scrub here if you're defending these obviously broken rifles.

FTFY.

EDIT: WRY YOU SO BROKEN, QUOTE?

Respectfully, no.

If everything is "OP" then nothing is. What if the buffer modules were buffed? Or perhaps an across the board 5% drop in damage for all rifles?

Reference the rail rifle... If you increase the spool time anymore it drops effectiveness dramatically even at range. Also, with your stated charge increase that would give it higher spool time than a rail turret - probably not a good idea.

You stated yourself that all weapons are now a viable, if that's the case, why not adjust a different aspect of the game? People focus on the weapons a lot but there are a lot of other things that can be done to work on the feel of the game...including addressing TTK.

The rifles aren't broken, I just think that they aren't different enough from each other

"Hey my weapons are op ! Can we buff the ENTIRE GAME instead of just nerfing 4 weapons ? (Rifles) "
Dude seriously.
With your simple quote you just prove than these weapons are OP.
BUT i think the others rifle are Op too or not working as intended.
SOOOOOO
Nerf the 4 Rifles (and SMG) BAM balanced Game. (Infantry)

The actual problem is that people defend their rifle by saying "Hey it's not op against this other rifle ! it's balanced"
WRONG.
These 4 rifles are ALL OP.
Yes they are balanced each others.
But they ****** up the whole game with this ridiculous TTK and make the game a bad copy of COD.
It even kill the "Fitting" of the game which is now just "DAMAAAAAGER".
These 4 rifles need Balance not just NEEERF or "we let this destroy the game because i make kill with it *Douchebag*"
It needs to be balanced.


Scrambler Rifle : Nerf the RoF (15% less RoF) and lower the Mag of the semi-auto Version to 25 => But give a small bonus to Headshot (5/10% more damage than now in Headshot) it will reward players that takes their time to make perfect charge shots and punish the "spam" players that hit their shoot button as fast as possible.
No need for other nerf this weapon already takes 11PG to fit STD and 20 at PRO that's a HEAVY cost when you fit your dropsuit.
As intended.
The Assault version is pretty balanced BUT it should heat up quickly and make it lose his mag when it Heat up. (Only the Assault Version)

Assault Rifle : Nerf the Effective Range to make it worse at range it's supposed to be the less effective rifle at mid/long range.
And Nerf the optimal range..
But give more RoF (50 RPM)
And Better accuracy when not aiming (Sorry for my bad english).
You think that's a buff ? Not really an Worse range make a weapon really weaker.
BAM awesome CQC rifle but not OP at range.
As intended.
I don't think the others version of the Assault rifle should exist they should be deleted (With SP and ISK refund)


Combat Rifle : Supposed to be an Mid range Weapon it's more an "I see you so you're dead BAM One shot bitchies"
First make the time between each burst higher. (At least Twice)
But make the burst shot 3 more bullet.
Then add more Recoil at the end of each burst.
It have 10% more damage on armor and 5% less on Shield Where is the logic here ????
It's more powerful than all other weapon by that fact......
Bring 0% on armor and 0% on shield. No advantage no drawbacks : Balanced.
It's minmatarr technology it's explain the low PG/CPU fitting.
But it should also cost less ISK : 25% less than now making it a cheap weapon easy to fit and average against everything.
Polyvalent Weapon.
As intended.
The Armor/Shield Balance already affect the Assault version just add some bigger Recoil.


Rail Rifle : Supposed to be an long range weapon it actually outclass the other rifle (So all the weapon) at mid range.
Higher the charge up time before start shooting. (0.5sec)
Make the bullets had trace like the sniper rifle : We could know from where we have been shot.
Higher the Recoil of the assault Version.
Higher the Damage of 1 for all version.










Here are your balanced weapons.
Don't think one of them rifles are not totally ****** up THEY ARE.
That's not a question "Are they ?" They are and her's the solution not just nerf or buff but Balance. Not to each others but each to ALL THE GAME.
Sorry for my bad english ask if you don't understand something i xcould maybe try to say it correctly (with other words)

this is a rifle fighting game with all the bells and whistles.
Im sorry you like bells and whistles more than learning to fight with rifles in a rifle fightig game.
Why nerf any rifle?
So now instead of dieing all the time to duvolles I die from rails and crs. So what. How can you say nerf rifles when tanks are deciding games now?
Do you even play?

This is funny because I almost had the exact thing I was going to post today, I was going to make my own thread but might as well bump yours.

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The main thing is that the weapon ranges niches need to be reinforced a little bit more

Rail Rifle

The rail rifle is easy considering it has a spool up time to play with,

We could theoretically give it a spool up time to some number and increase its range by some number, and you'd reinforced its range and increased its cqc weakness.

An example number to throw in there would be a spool up time of .75-1.0, this is plasma cannon realm, which sucks but with an increase in optimal and effective by 30 M, that really gives you about 150 effective to play and since the damage curve is negatively skewed it means that its quite effective at those ranges.

Scrambler Rifle

The ScR should have a standard distribution curve like the LR but obviously more plateau than the LR, and have that high damage range be in between the CR and RR, (which with the suggested RR range buff it is currently). I also think the heat build up of charge shots and uncharged shots should be reversed, making it actually make it feel more like a tactical rifle.

Combat Rifle

Not nearly as knowledgeable on these to even make a somewhat decent suggestions like the others, but an small delay between shots should be adequate (enough aggravate turbo controllers), which would make aiming with the burst a little more important, but still able to spray an pray since its the suppose to have decent cqc. While I am open to your thoughts on all I am especially interested in your thoughts on the CR

Assault Rifle

I just think it needs greater bullet spread, and that's it. This makes tracking much easier in cqc and screws you at range.

And because now it's more COD514 than Dust 514.

I don't understand the desire to increase the spool time for the RR. I use it exclusively and the current .25 sec spool time is quite significant; that's a more significant nerf than any of the other suggestions I've seen. At close quarters two equally skilled shooters, one with RR and one with AR...the AR has a noticeable advantage with first shot on target, rate of fire, ability to engage multiple targets or use bursts.

Just so folks don't think I'm simply trying to defend my chosen weapon I'm not a fan of changing really any of them at this point.

My understanding is that all rifles should be at least functional in all situations BUT optimized for their niche. I think all the rifles are pretty much spot on with this at the moment in that regard. You could probably tweak all the weapons in some way but creates other second and third order issues that we might not even foresee right now.

I wouldn't attempt to tweak any of the weapons at the moment. So many people were trying out the shiny new rifles for the last few weeks I might be giving folks a skewed perception. I've been seeing a lot more Duvolles and GEKs on the field again, let's give it time to see how things work out.