DUST Search - [Request] Stop handing out freebies

Dustbunny Durrr wrote:

Aikuchi Tomaru wrote:

In Eve Online you get nothing for free. You want ISK? You go mining, you do missions you loot. You have to do something. Passive income is curretly only possible via PI and is something CCP wants to change there.

In Dust all we get is passive income. We get LP / ISK / SP just for participation. And as we all know this enables AFKing and kind of also removes the desire to play the game. Ok, you get bonus SP for participation, but that's it. Everything else is a freebie for something your team accomplished. THis is really something that should go.

Everything should be calculated from the WP you earned and the outcome of the match. For example if you win a faction warfare match but didn't manage to get at least some WP then you shouldn't get anything. Neither LP, standing or loot. The players who really participated should get more on the other hand then. Same for Instant matches.

If you get lots of WP on the other hand you should get more than just 75 standing and a few hundred LP in FW for example. In Dust 514 we currently only farm matches. And you can introduce sophisticated anti afk systems like you want, nothing will change when we still get freebies for "participation". And I know this will make it harder for newbros. But this is New Eden. If you don't do anything you shouldn't get anything. And currently everything you do is passive income.

FW is a seperate beast, as I think its meant to be more competitive play than typical pubs. For pub matches though, there is a formula similar to (The 'official' formula hasn't been released AFAIK, but with trial and error I have noticed it to be) x/y = your payout ratio.

Where:
X is your WP
Y is your teams total WP

As an example, if you score 2000 WP, and the rest of your team only scores 6,000 WP combined, your payout would be 1/4 (2000 / (2000+6000)) of the payout for the whole team. So if there is 1.6M ISK to be divided up (I don't know the exact number, nor do I know if it is a constant or variable, but we will use 1.6 as an example) you will get 400K ISK.

If on the other hand you score the same 2000 WP, yet the rest of your team scores 18,000 WP, your new payout ratio will be 1/10 of your team's total. If we assume the same 1.6M ISK team payout, then your payout would be 160K.

That being said, you do get more payout for doing better, and not only better, but better on a worse team.


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ladwar Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 1933	Posted - 2013.12.28 00:16:00 - [1] - Quote Dustbunny Durrr wrote: Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: In Eve Online you get nothing for free. You want ISK? You go mining, you do missions you loot. You have to do something. Passive income is curretly only possible via PI and is something CCP wants to change there. In Dust all we get is passive income. We get LP / ISK / SP just for participation. And as we all know this enables AFKing and kind of also removes the desire to play the game. Ok, you get bonus SP for participation, but that's it. Everything else is a freebie for something your team accomplished. THis is really something that should go. Everything should be calculated from the WP you earned and the outcome of the match. For example if you win a faction warfare match but didn't manage to get at least some WP then you shouldn't get anything. Neither LP, standing or loot. The players who really participated should get more on the other hand then. Same for Instant matches. If you get lots of WP on the other hand you should get more than just 75 standing and a few hundred LP in FW for example. In Dust 514 we currently only farm matches. And you can introduce sophisticated anti afk systems like you want, nothing will change when we still get freebies for "participation". And I know this will make it harder for newbros. But this is New Eden. If you don't do anything you shouldn't get anything. And currently everything you do is passive income. FW is a seperate beast, as I think its meant to be more competitive play than typical pubs. For pub matches though, there is a formula similar to (The 'official' formula hasn't been released AFAIK, but with trial and error I have noticed it to be) x/y = your payout ratio. Where: X is your WP Y is your teams total WP As an example, if you score 2000 WP, and the rest of your team only scores 6,000 WP combined, your payout would be 1/4 (2000 / (2000+6000)) of the payout for the whole team. So if there is 1.6M ISK to be divided up (I don't know the exact number, nor do I know if it is a constant or variable, but we will use 1.6 as an example) you will get 400K ISK. If on the other hand you score the same 2000 WP, yet the rest of your team scores 18,000 WP, your new payout ratio will be 1/10 of your team's total. If we assume the same 1.6M ISK team payout, then your payout would be 160K. That being said, you do get more payout for doing better, and not only better, but better on a worse team. lol not even close to how it works. first there is passive isk gains just like sp, second there is per match reward(don't even need to spawn to get it, its low thou) and other factors for pub matches. Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.