DUST Search - Heavies and Light Weapons

Leonid Tybalt wrote:

Glass Zeraki wrote:

Princess Abi-Hime wrote:

Glass Zeraki wrote:

This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway.

So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon.

Period.

I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team.

It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think?

How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots.

My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits.

Im using medium suits primarily, and I kill heavies all the time.

It's your lack of skills and tactics that's the problem.

If you see it's a heavy, throw a grejade first and then pump his guts full of lead. Use your superior mobility to your advantage (the heavy will most likely be slower than you).

Also, in what way is it a "dirty" way to win? Does the heavy somehow become superior because he used a light wepon rather than a heavy weapon? Your argument makes no sense...

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Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:06:00 - [1] - Quote This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think?
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1405	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:08:00 - [2] - Quote What's dirty is releasing a game without all its base content, its kinda why I don't even use my heavy suit. "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2946	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:12:00 - [3] - Quote CCP actually made a video showcasing a Heavy using a Sniper Rifle and saying how much better it was than using a scout suit, so... Working as intended. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 476	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:16:00 - [4] - Quote Release content for heavies. Problem solved.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 1	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:17:00 - [5] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: CCP actually made a video showcasing a Heavy using a Sniper Rifle and saying how much better it was than using a scout suit, so... Working as intended. That actually doesn't bother me that much, since I never bother hunting snipers anyway. However let them make a video showcasing the Heavy with a SCR and I'll hate them for all eternity.
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 33	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:19:00 - [6] - Quote In Dust you either adept or die, thats how it is... Join my Corp HERE
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1819	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:23:00 - [7] - Quote I'll quit using my FatDuvie if Mediums and Lights quit running dual SMGs. TL,DR; Quit trying to force people to play a specific way. Diversify. Alyssa Milano.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 64	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:25:00 - [8] - Quote next time you see him cram some M8 packed locus up his ass for me imagine the s#!t you can kill from a throne.... fu@#!n Rome.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 1039	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:27:00 - [9] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots. The Metalhead Mercenary
Vermaak Doe SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1076	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:31:00 - [10] - Quote If heavy weapons were better balanced this wouldn't be an issue, not to mention the glaring lack of heavy weapons.

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 419	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:37:00 - [11] - Quote Because you console scrubs cried we can't have racial weapon bonuses with suits. Honestly cut every weapon damage by 10% and give every racial assault and heavy racial bonuses, 2% damage per level. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 119	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:38:00 - [12] - Quote Whether they stop with this tactic or not, I'm still dualweilding smg's. And, I think we should literally be able to dual weild certain weapons, like the smg, pistols, flaylock, minishotguns like the ones in cod. Where is the dual wielding CCP? 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT Dropship Pilot Scout Devotee Remaining invisible is my thing
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:41:00 - [13] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots. My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:42:00 - [14] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: Whether they stop with this tactic or not, I'm still dualweilding smg's. And, I think we should literally be able to dual weild certain weapons, like the smg, pistols, flaylock, minishotguns like the ones in cod. Where is the dual wielding CCP? how about no The Metalhead Mercenary
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2950	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:46:00 - [15] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: CCP actually made a video showcasing a Heavy using a Sniper Rifle and saying how much better it was than using a scout suit, so... Working as intended. That actually doesn't bother me that much, since I never bother hunting snipers anyway. However let them make a video showcasing the Heavy with a SCR and I'll hate them for all eternity. The entire point of the video is that you can run whatever you want however you want. My alts: GeneralJohnRipper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:48:00 - [16] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits. Well for one, if you're getting all up in a heavy's grill you're an idiot. heavies are only slightly more survivable in this low TTK anyway, so just treat it how you would any other suit at a distance. The Metalhead Mercenary
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:49:00 - [17] - Quote Alright I'll admit that there's a lack of heavy weapons and that it contributes heavily to the issue (no pun intended).
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 2	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:54:00 - [18] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits. Well for one, if you're getting all up in a heavy's grill you're an idiot. heavies are only slightly more survivable in this low TTK anyway, so just treat it how you would any other suit at a distance. Then there's the issue of the Scrambler Rifle/Rail Rifle Heavy...it's yucky.
Princess Abi-Hime Pradox XVI 1042	Posted - 2013.12.26 03:56:00 - [19] - Quote Princess Abi-Hime wrote: so just treat it how you would any other suit at a distance. The Metalhead Mercenary
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 719	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:12:00 - [20] - Quote I've really only noticed this tactic being moderately successful since 1.7, with the adition of the RR. Before, when I saw one of these heavys I'd usually lol first then proceed to vaporize them. But now, with the change to the weapon's effective range and the addition of the RR, it is actually something to be mildly feared. There is a solution however, at least it seems to be working for me: Dps + strafe + distance = kill Two damage mods and an adv RR (or preferably proto RR) and a little distance and that usually does the trick. I am actually a fan of this tactic (I think it is a creative idea) but the only heavy suit I have on my main character is the 'Dren' heavy. My main is a Gal and I am waiting for the Gal heavy. This fitting is the best I can do now, but I fing it to be very effective in the right situation: Comp extender Std RR Dren Scrambler Flux 2x comp armor repairer This fit has 601 shields and 600 armor plus 12.5 HP/sec repair rate. It 48 seconds to fully repair the armor, on this suit, from 0 health, but most of the time people don't even get close to half so around 24 second which is pretty good. Man, I really wish I could try this out with a proto Gal heavy. Oh well, one of these days I guess. {:)}{3GÇó>

Tectonic Fusion 831	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:14:00 - [21] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: Princess Abi-Hime wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots. My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits. I counter them by strafing/headshotting him. And carry a Scrambler Pistol because they are an easy kill if you have one. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2585	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:15:00 - [22] - Quote Here's What I think. No, limiting heavies to Heavy weapons won't solve the problem at all, but it will manage to remove what little diversity the Heavy class has left, which is what DUST 514 is supposed to thrive on. And maybe if heavies had more than two weapons to their name, you'd see less people using them with light weapons. Plus, heavies with light weapons aren't even a huge problem. Just get a Rail Rifle and you'll melting through their armor like butter. But be advised, for the butter is a tad bit stiff when you first start the melting process. We finally deployed in the MinFW Match! \o/
Leonid Tybalt DIOS EX. General Tso's Alliance 29	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:17:00 - [23] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: Princess Abi-Hime wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots. My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits. Im using medium suits primarily, and I kill heavies all the time. It's your lack of skills and tactics that's the problem. If you see it's a heavy, throw a grejade first and then pump his guts full of lead. Use your superior mobility to your advantage (the heavy will most likely be slower than you). Also, in what way is it a "dirty" way to win? Does the heavy somehow become superior because he used a light wepon rather than a heavy weapon? Your argument makes no sense...
FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven 48	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:18:00 - [24] - Quote Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? oh yes tis make very sense ,heavies hand looks way too big to handle a nova knife.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation 3	Posted - 2013.12.26 04:26:00 - [25] - Quote Leonid Tybalt wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: Princess Abi-Hime wrote: Glass Zeraki wrote: This should probably be in the Feedback/Requests board, but I'm going to put in here in General anyway. So basically, I hate people that use heavy frames / Sentinels along with light weapons, no matter which weapon. Period. I can't tell you how many times I've been killed by a Sentinel with a RR, AR, or SCR, not because his gun is any better than my AR but because he simply had more HP than my Assault suit and he killed me first. Plus, heavies attract logi's naturally (unlike medium suits), so I can nearly kill him, die, spawn back in, and find him at full health again wrecking my team. It's just such a dirty way to win. However, I'm not sure how to solve the problem. Taking away their ability to carry light weapons wouldn't make sense. What do you think? How is a heavy using something besides an HMG or FG a "dirty way to win"? Because they have no dedicated light slot? Does that make a commando running duel SMGs dirty? They have no dedicated sidearm slots. My problem is that it's just too easy. How is a medium suit supposed to counter it? (Which is why it's used most likely). One on one the heavy's got the upper hand. Maybe we should all use heavies instead of medium suits. Im using medium suits primarily, and I kill heavies all the time. It's your lack of skills and tactics that's the problem. If you see it's a heavy, throw a grejade first and then pump his guts full of lead. Use your superior mobility to your advantage (the heavy will most likely be slower than you). Also, in what way is it a "dirty" way to win? Does the heavy somehow become superior because he used a light wepon rather than a heavy weapon? Your argument makes no sense... The problem is that most light weapons have longer range than heavy weapons. Range is the advantage I have over heavies, until one has a Rail Rifle. At that point, he has the advantage over me because the base Sentinel HP is over 800, before stacking armor plates and/or shield extenders.


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