Get out of here with your sensible posts.

vehicles are a force multiplier, they're pointless without a force to multiply. infantry are more important to keeping vehicles safe than we like to admit, they are the best suited to killing av. when i run av i die to infantry more than to the vehicles i'm targeting (at least i was, haven't tried av yet this build).

Blaster is better than any anti infantry weapon.
Missiles/Rails are better than any AV weapon.
So basically, tanks can be fitted to be better than infantry at these jobs.


You're forgetting a crucial part:
A fuckton of the maps are just open terrain, there is no where to hide, and when there is, you're usually stuck there for the rest of the match unless the tanks decides to give up.

I disagree with you, four tanks on one team will easily put down any attempt of AV without a tanks to counteract them, which might not even work if one of the tanks have a rail, the rail tank will stop any RDV from making a drop off.

If you're dodging the blaster, you're playing against bad players.

And tanks, while yes can't turn as fast and can't get to tiny places, move MUCH quicker than any infantry, making up for their agility with huge power projection. (And the ability to GTFO)

The problem with that logic is that Infantry v Infantry you can just as fast as they kill you. Militia tanks are killing proto suits just as fast as you can, while Proto Forge Guns, the most powerful Infantry AV option, aren't getting anywhere close to killing Militia tanks that fast.

I've been in matches where Infantry might as well have been invisible. There is a reason why Infantry are hiding inside the building of objective B in Ambush, while 5 tanks are rolling around the building bored.

Though it is kind of you to point out that you post is set for single tank encounters, you failed to mentioned this in your OP, but now that I'm aware of your viewpoint, I still disagree, a tank is far more durable than a single soldier, a tank is faster than a single soldier, a tanks gun can kill more than a single soldier, a tank can make it's self harder to kill if it is in danger, tanks can heal easily on their own without ever having to stop for a logi. Granted, a highly skilled player can achieve the same results, but almost any player with basic tank skills and common sense can achieve this without much experience tanking, tanks were intended to be a force multiplier, now they are the force and infantry is the multiplier.

They can preform all the task of all three dropsuits, the only things they can't do is capture points and res teammates, there is a reason why we are having such a huge influx of tanks, it's cause they have become too easy to use, I don't believe buffing AV or nerfing tanks will solve this problem, the way it stands now, the only true infiriorty tanks suffer from is the inability to call OBs, but that isn't really much of an issue since the pilot can simply exit the vehicle and take a moment to call one.

I'm just gonna stop you there, because that whole first line is a lie. Mobile?!? Easy?!?! Dives?!? You must be on a whole sheet of acid when you're playing. I laughed so hard, thank you.

A tank is not OP. It can be killed or forced away by AV.

6 Tanks, all rolling around at once, preventing you from bringing out vehicles, and encircling objectives is OP as HELL.

Reduce Tank limit per team to 2. And nerf the dual hardener crap. You shouldn't be able to run a constant 60% DR for 10 minutes straight.

Also, for the 2 posts above me.

Bull. My Scout sprints at 9.35m/s and tanks shoot me with impunity. Out strafing a decent shot is dang near impossible.

And just because your tank can't go EVERYWHERE doesn't mean it's not mobile. That thing gets around the battlefield faster than ANYTHING.

As for Easy? Debateable. Not going to even touch that one here.

Drives? I wish I could GTFO in my scout suit like tanks could. Pity I can't move 4-5x faster than my prey. OH RIGHT. THAT'S GAMEBREAKING.

Lol I can strafe, but strafing tank blaster fire would be dumb. Strafing doesn't work on a rotating enemy. If you haven't pushed L3 to run, you're dead. So you want me to JUMP into cover? That is the opposite of a dive, and places me above cover.

I'm so glad I've skilled rail tanks. If I even see one enemy tank, I'm on the highest hill with a dam amped adv rail. Can't wait for proto rails and double complex dam amps. It'll be nearly 2500 damage a shot with both amps activated. "True" tankers are already QQing about rails.

As I have written in do many "tanks are OP" topics before.

Tanks are not OP ( the rail need some working ) its the cost of them that are OP. have the militia tanks cost 500 000 isk and the spam will end. More powerful gear you bring out the more expensive it should be. My logi ( real logi with dual reps/proto scan/proto everything cost 250 000 isk with 20+ Miljon sp invested into it.

My slayer 0sp tank cost 70k now wy the F should I even bother with anything else then bringing out the tank?

It's just ignorance if you don't c this or you just want a easy mode game play with low risk high rewards, and that okey just be HONEST about it.

And you don't c the problem with your tank only costing 500 000?

The numbers should be something like this

Militia tanks ( unfitted ) 400 000
Standard ( unfitted ) 800 000
Advanced ( unfitted) 1 600 000
Proto ( unfitted) 3 200 000

On top of that modules should cost a hell of a lot more also

Tanks should be powerful as F but expensive as F also

Your pricing model is too close to what thing we're like in closed beta, the reason the prices are the way they are now is cause, no one could afford to use tanks before, which means the whole idea of having MLT is pointless if no one can afford it, this also bars off tanking from new players who don't have a millionaire corp buddy to fund their tanking hobby.

CCP has made it very clear that ISK price is a poor design point for game balance, which is why prices have gone down for everything in Dust compared to older builds, CCP's new design point is focused on SP value for balance results on gear and vehicles, only problem is, SP values have been blurred when it comes to HAVs, MLTs and STDs preformence are far too similar to make a difference, and since we don't have ADVs or PROs, we have no proper balance for AV versus HAVs, which only further devalues SP investment in tanks.

Your not going to fix HAVs by making them more expensive, your just going to make tank steamrolling harder to counter by walling off the most effective counter to it, which is of course tanks.

I respectfully disagree with CCP and your statement.

I don't c the problem with that new players that haven't done some grinding can't play with the biggest guns of the batt.
I love the fact that in this game you need to have a social network to be really successful. If it wasn't for this fact this game would be as any other "get everything from the start shooter".

As far as "millionaire corp buddy to fund their tanking hobby." Wy can't it be just that? That would actually make sence, make tankes powerful even more then today but to found them on a single player life style should be BLODEY hard.

This game needs to move more towards corp oriented game play any way. Sadly al the "fixes" or whatever you want to call it moves the game slowly away from corp orientated game play.

Wy can't CCP take that brilliant EVE online vision and implement it in dust?
Let dust players (corps) fight over resources on the planets, have mining fields etc to fight over or protect while you are mining it.

One more thing so many issues in this game would be solved of they just let us play on the hole god dam maps. If you take a dropship out and fly high you can c that al this maps are sockets next to one and other. I don't care if its not 100% ready for it, just DO IT.

This game has the potential to be epic sadly I with great pain in my hart i am starting to loose faith that it will ever become just that.

According to the Oxford dictionary website, Mobility is "the ability to move or be moved freely and easily". So you're technically correct in your interpretation. However there are many different types of movement. Two of which you already mentioned: rotation and vertical movement. Flix refers to restrictions on tank mobility due to it's size.

Now let us consider the movement of getting from point A to point B. Between a tank and a merc on foot, which of the two makes the journey with the least resistance and effort?

Ok! So back to the original statement: Flix is arguing that because infantry are more mobile than tanks, tanks fitted with large blaster turrets are not as effective at killing infantry as infantry is at killing infantry. Now assuming that the tank is completely aware of the target infantryman, which of the movements you and I discussed plays a bigger role in whether or not the infantryman survives the blaster tank?

By mobility I believe he means quick turning and strafing, the ability to go through tight spaces, and the ability to enter exit shoot in and out of buildings go to hills to steep to climb.