DUST Search - Swarm Launcher Respec

Veka Kari wrote:

Respec? Really? I think the only thing that should be Respec'ed is your thought process to Tanks.

Tanks = Large, Semi-mobile, Metal objects with treads that could snap your neck if it ran over you with only 2 meters of it.
Infantry = Small, Highly mobile, fleshy objects with the ability to wield weapons of various types to destroy Other small highly mobile fleshy objects and large semi mobile metal objects.

My point; To take out a tank, you need to keep AWAY from a tank. I know, its a very hard concept to understand so I will better describe it by utilizing a real world example. You are a person living in a city full of large semi-mobile metal objects that can kill you. Do you A, walk in front of them to stop them, or B use something large and damaging to stop them?

Take some time to mull this over and consider the options.

Case: A vehicle moving 100+ km/h is speeding towards you from a distance of 50 meters away.

Option A: You stand in front of the vehicle and do no damage to it, and you die.
Option B: You avoid said object and use something highly damaging (such as explosives) to stop it.

Looks like Option B wins!

Moral of the story kids: To kill a tank, avoid its fire and hit it with explosives. Work as a team and hit it with A LOT of explosives because it is VERY well armored.

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Exionous Abandoned Privilege 77	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:49:00 - [1] - Quote They're useless. I want my points back. Nothing else to it.
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 2912	Posted - 2013.12.24 23:51:00 - [2] - Quote Yes. »We still have our honor!
Exionous Abandoned Privilege 78	Posted - 2013.12.25 00:12:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, I did just bump a thread that was still on the first page. Problem?
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 83	Posted - 2013.12.25 00:50:00 - [4] - Quote This goes against everything CCP stands for. Not sure exactly what CCP means, but I imagine it's some foreign language acronym for bait and switch. Nearly everything I've put points into has been reduced to crap.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 469	Posted - 2013.12.25 00:53:00 - [5] - Quote I would like this also, for once in my past year or so of playing Dust, I actually want a respec... Can we add a condition that we have to respec into forge guns as they arw the only viable AV tool now? I hopped onto my fiancee's character this morning and took out two tanks and two dropships with a militia forge in her heavy suit. What gives?
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y Public Disorder. 17	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:28:00 - [6] - Quote At proto Forge does 1440 rail damage vs the swarms 1320 explosive damage. To elaborate forge of 1440 damage vs shields=1260 Swarms of 1320 damage vs shields=1056 Forge of 1440 damage vs armor= 1584 Swarms of 1320 damage vs armor= 1584 Now consider the forge gun is a heavy weapon and doesn't lock on and track.... Caldari Assault My 2 cents on Grenades
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:45:00 - [7] - Quote Stop being such whiny btches and learn to work with the changes. Stop trying to solo a tank, ITS NOT GONNA WORK! A single guy should not be able to take out an enormous piece of metal by him self and you know it! If you want to take out tanks either abuse the (completely broken) militia railgun with damage mods while it still stand or get a AV squad goin and bust tanks up!! you only need 2-4 guys to make a descent AV squad, depending on where their skills stand in AV gear... If you are a very good AVer you should only need one sidekick to back you up! especially because of shitload of militia *-tanks rolling around. R.I.P** In memory of a "not total piece of sh*t" -------------->flaylock pistols
Alena Ventrallis The Neutral Zone 372	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:45:00 - [8] - Quote Kilo Shells wrote: At proto Forge does 1440 rail damage vs the swarms 1320 explosive damage. To elaborate forge of 1440 damage vs shields=1260 Swarms of 1320 damage vs shields=1056 Forge of 1440 damage vs armor= 1584 Swarms of 1320 damage vs armor= 1584 Now consider the forge gun is a heavy weapon and doesn't lock on and track.... Zing
poison Diego NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 2	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:50:00 - [9] - Quote It-¦s a team-based game...deal with it R.I.P In memory of a "not total piece of sh*t" -------------->flaylock pistols
Breakin Stuff Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1436	Posted - 2013.12.25 01:53:00 - [10] - Quote Crowd Control Productions

Alex Desmond Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 8	Posted - 2013.12.27 15:59:00 - [11] - Quote I find it very amusing that you all seem to think 600k sp (approximately) is a big deal, you may not know this but it is very possible to make that in a week. PSA: Don't jump out of a dropship early in FW, you will die
Alam Storm Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 43	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:12:00 - [12] - Quote poison Diego wrote: Stop being such whiny b*tches and learn to work with the changes. Stop trying to solo a tank, ITS NOT GONNA WORK! A single guy should not be able to take out an enormous piece of metal by him self and you know it! If you want to take out tanks either abuse the (completely broken) militia railgun with damage mods while it still stand or get a AV squad goin and bust tanks up!! you only need 2-4 guys to make a descent AV squad, depending on where their skills stand in AV gear... If you are a very good AVer you should only need one sidekick to back you up! especially because of shitload of militia shit_tanks rolling around. agreed people need to learn to work as a team i cant tell you how many times a PUB has got me killed though there stupidity if you want to take a tank out take 2 guys with swarms in your team and wait for the bastard to stop repairing itself on other note i do think swarms do need to have abit more damage in them 250 per missile but keep range the same as it is
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 313	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:22:00 - [13] - Quote poison Diego wrote: It-¦s a team-based game...deal with it Right, it's a team based game. Unless you're in a tank, in which case you can drive, shoot, and work the gadgets all by yourself. And sure, get an AV squad together and try to use swarms. You'll only need 4 guys with proto swarms firing 10+ times at a tank that isn't moving, attacking, activating hardeners, or running away. Simple, right? Not broken AT ALL.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1426	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:52:00 - [14] - Quote Exionous wrote: They're useless. I want my points back. Nothing else to it. How about: No? You act like they will never change again. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Alam Storm Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 43	Posted - 2013.12.27 17:52:00 - [15] - Quote TheEnd762 wrote: poison Diego wrote: It-¦s a team-based game...deal with it Right, it's a team based game. Unless you're in a tank, in which case you can drive, shoot, and work the gadgets all by yourself. And sure, get an AV squad together and try to use swarms. You'll only need 4 guys with proto swarms firing 10+ times at a tank that isn't moving, attacking, activating hardeners, or running away. Simple, right? Not broken AT ALL. its a 50k swarmluancher compared to a 1mil tank its not meant to be easy
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 313	Posted - 2013.12.27 18:37:00 - [16] - Quote I don't recall anyone saying it was supposed to be easy. "Doable" does not equal "easy". As it is right now, taking out a tank with swarms, AV grenades, or a combination of the two is nearly impossible. If it does happen, it's due to a mix of luck, coincidence, and a poor tank driver. Forge guns, rail gun installations, and other thanks should not be the only PRACTICAL ways to take out tanks. AV is anti-vehicle, not anti SOME vehicles. The last tank I saw taken out with swarms and AV grenades only happened because the driver accidentally got out near the opposing redline, was gunned down, and 4 guys laid into the unmanned tank for 20 seconds with no enemy interference. That is not balanced. That's even only slightly OP. It's straight up ridiculous.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 1038	Posted - 2013.12.27 19:26:00 - [17] - Quote so, I had to deal with 11 months of useless heavy skills, but you want your sp back 20 days after the update? not a chance.
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 854	Posted - 2013.12.27 19:34:00 - [18] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: Not sure exactly what CCP means. CCP stands for Crowd Control Productions. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven 56	Posted - 2013.12.27 20:49:00 - [19] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Lazy Scumbag wrote: Not sure exactly what CCP means. CCP stands for Crowd Control Productions. shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Artificer Ghost Bojo's School of the Trades 861	Posted - 2013.12.27 20:51:00 - [20] - Quote Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh* ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven 57	Posted - 2013.12.27 21:03:00 - [21] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh* CCPpssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Dunce Masterson Savage Bullet 8	Posted - 2013.12.28 02:45:00 - [22] - Quote with all the changes to the weaponry tree that have accumulated over the past several patches and hot fixes they should of given a respec for the weaponry skill tree AV grenades forge gun swarm launchers flaylock mass driver laser rifle heavy machine gun rail rifle combat rifle im sure there is more
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 89	Posted - 2013.12.28 22:32:00 - [23] - Quote Artificer Ghost wrote: Lazy Scumbag wrote: Not sure exactly what CCP means. CCP stands for Crowd Control Productions. That's pretty funny considering everything they implement seems to induce rage.
Bradric Banewolf D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 3	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:11:00 - [24] - Quote theEND762 from SVER TRUE BLOOD is right, and we all know it. The only tanks going down are militia tanks, and bad madrugar drivers being hit with swarms of under attack swarmers, fluxes, av's, forge guns, rail rifles, the kitchen sink, and 16 prayers from the team getting hammered relentlessly by a mobile laviathan that moves faster than everything on the field.... and there's 3 more?! They should be tough no doubt, but this ain't "tough" it's madness. Just slow em down. Keep everything else since most of you like to have a walk in the park anyway. Also I know that if it cost a mil it's because you nearly made a mil. On my best assault game i've made 375k tops! I need lvl 5 swarms at 50k for a militia to know i'm there lol! That's 7 wyrkomi's. on my best game. I chose assault for the challenge, not godmode. Just saying. Continue eating chips, and breezing over us. Such skill!
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 678	Posted - 2013.12.29 00:23:00 - [25] - Quote yes https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Intara Direct Action Caldari State 250	Posted - 2013.12.29 04:48:00 - [26] - Quote I really can deal with the damage aspect of it but the range , I mean ... seriously ???? You have to sometime be on top of the object that you are looking to lock on and I believe that something was done to the lock on time as well because it takes longer to catch a lock sometimes as well it's actually difficult to catch a lock now as well as the forge charge time . This is counterproductive and should be addressed . Whomsoever the people who came up with that ideal , they need to be placed in another department that has nothing to do with the input in the actions and functionality of any weapon . Increase the range , the lock on ability and take off the forge charge time hampers that were installed . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Veka Kari NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 21	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:15:00 - [27] - Quote Respec? Really? I think the only thing that should be Respec'ed is your thought process to Tanks. Tanks = Large, Semi-mobile, Metal objects with treads that could snap your neck if it ran over you with only 2 meters of it. Infantry = Small, Highly mobile, fleshy objects with the ability to wield weapons of various types to destroy Other small highly mobile fleshy objects and large semi mobile metal objects. My point; To take out a tank, you need to keep AWAY from a tank. I know, its a very hard concept to understand so I will better describe it by utilizing a real world example. You are a person living in a city full of large semi-mobile metal objects that can kill you. Do you A, walk in front of them to stop them, or B use something large and damaging to stop them? Take some time to mull this over and consider the options. Case: A vehicle moving 100+ km/h is speeding towards you from a distance of 50 meters away. Option A: You stand in front of the vehicle and do no damage to it, and you die. Option B: You avoid said object and use something highly damaging (such as explosives) to stop it. Looks like Option B wins! Moral of the story kids: To kill a tank, avoid its fire and hit it with explosives. Work as a team and hit it with A LOT of explosives because it is VERY well armored. MUST READ (All Suits): The Logi Code. You depend on it.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2013.12.29 07:48:00 - [28] - Quote Veka Kari wrote: Respec? Really? I think the only thing that should be Respec'ed is your thought process to Tanks. Tanks = Large, Semi-mobile, Metal objects with treads that could snap your neck if it ran over you with only 2 meters of it. Infantry = Small, Highly mobile, fleshy objects with the ability to wield weapons of various types to destroy Other small highly mobile fleshy objects and large semi mobile metal objects. My point; To take out a tank, you need to keep AWAY from a tank. I know, its a very hard concept to understand so I will better describe it by utilizing a real world example. You are a person living in a city full of large semi-mobile metal objects that can kill you. Do you A, walk in front of them to stop them, or B use something large and damaging to stop them? Take some time to mull this over and consider the options. Case: A vehicle moving 100+ km/h is speeding towards you from a distance of 50 meters away. Option A: You stand in front of the vehicle and do no damage to it, and you die. Option B: You avoid said object and use something highly damaging (such as explosives) to stop it. Looks like Option B wins! Moral of the story kids: To kill a tank, avoid its fire and hit it with explosives. Work as a team and hit it with A LOT of explosives because it is VERY well armored. Tanks are anything but semi mobile. They are faster that LAVs with the right mods, even after the speed nerf, I have seen tanks doing ballet, two tanks formed a freaking triangle. Standing in a open level field. That is just plain wrong, tanks are supposed to be heavy clunks of metal. They are so agile its unbelievable. Face the reality and stop with the semi mobile hypocrisy. I have taken out a tank with a Militia Amarr Medium Frame Suit, it was a militia tank too. Shield Tanks, hardners or whatever mods uses makes it impossible to kill them. And the whole talk about forming a team to take out a tank is just plain ridiculous. The game is fun because you can solo. This is not a soccer match or some sports game that you need more than one player. Even against proto players I can blow them up with one grenade or kill them at short range with a shotgun. The "use a team of 2 or more to kill a tank" is just rubbish So if I was trying out the game to see if I should play it, I wont be able to unless I get another friend to play with me so I can have a team to take out a tank? Geez, you guys should make sense when you are arguing don't be so blinded by your own perspective that you can't see reason. If the tanks are not fixed, many players will leave the game. And hypocrites can play with games by themselves Its sad how people quit in games that you have less than 16 players whenever Tank spam is involved. I am sure you can all use your proto swarms and proto suits to take out 6 tanks yourself
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 608	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:08:00 - [29] - Quote I'll keep mine. Needs more projectile speed though. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 43	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:13:00 - [30] - Quote @Timtron Victory: if you really want to play a game where you can fight solo, go play CoD. The fact is that without teamwork in this game, you will lose. i actually fought a skirmish match today and neither side actually had a single tank. my team lost because the team consisted of one squad with two members. everyone else on our side was squadless. sorry, but going solo in this game doesnt even work as a footsoldier taking out other footsoldiers. blueberries... never trust them

Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 1	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:19:00 - [31] - Quote General12912 wrote: @Timtron Victory: if you really want to play a game where you can fight solo, go play CoD. The fact is that without teamwork in this game, you will lose. i actually fought a skirmish match today and neither side actually had a single tank. my team lost because the team consisted of one squad with two members. everyone else on our side was squadless. sorry, but going solo in this game doesnt even work as a footsoldier taking out other footsoldiers. blueberries... never trust them I am a member of a corp and usually play logi all be it in a basic suit or commando with repair when playing with my corp players. Skirmish of course requires team play so does Domination Ambush is a different story. Read the info by CCP on Public contracts, it is supposed to be for small squads or single mercs. It was written by the developer, do not tell me that you know better than the developer of the game what they intended. I think removing tanks from ambush might be the best option
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:19:00 - [32] - Quote General12912 wrote: @Timtron Victory: if you really want to play a game where you can fight solo, go play CoD. The fact is that without teamwork in this game, you will lose. i actually fought a skirmish match today and neither side actually had a single tank. my team lost because the team consisted of one squad with two members. everyone else on our side was squadless. sorry, but going solo in this game doesnt even work as a footsoldier taking out other footsoldiers. blueberries... never trust them Yeah, if you want to solo people, get in a tank. You don't need a team to drive, shoot, and work the modules all at once. SO BALANCED, RIGHT?
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 43	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:39:00 - [33] - Quote @theEnd: your whining is really not getting anything across considering its the same things and they have been countered a million times in this topic alone. tankers DO usually go in solo, but they are driving about as much isk or 5-10 times more isk as we make in a single contract. im dont think tanks are OP. i think the real issue is tank spam. tanks ARE OP in groups of 5-6. tank spam needs to be fixed, but not tanks. and before you go off calling me a tank scrub, i havent invested in vehicles since 1.6
TheEnd762 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 329	Posted - 2013.12.29 08:52:00 - [34] - Quote No one has countered anything I've said, with the poor exception of saying tanks cost more than swarm launchers. But shelling out more ISK doesn't entitle you to be untouchable. A militia SMG costs a hell of a lot less than a proto dropsuit, but that doesn't mean it should feel like a squirt gun shooting an elephant.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 43	Posted - 2013.12.29 09:39:00 - [35] - Quote i have a feeling you are trying to lore me into MLT tanks. i think those are much too OP. they need fixed because there is no reason why a proto AVer shouldnt be able take take down a scrub who hasnt put a single sp into tanks. true tankers should be hard for the reason i said in the previous statement, however


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