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Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 07:44:00 -
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The appeal of FW isn't in the cost, it's in the tactical edge it gives you, for those with low SP it gives them a chance to stand with the big league Protos while still giving them a fair disadvantage, at the same time, Proto players can get more use of slightly superior gear from the LP store, it's never been about the price, it's about getting whats better than what you have, and only the LP store can provide that for you, I would much rather do FW to get early access to a full Proto fit with the cost of a few million ISK in three days than spend the next month grinding for a Proto nanite injector. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 07:48:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Giving up on FW is not the answer for many of us because of the EvE link, RP, etc. However, to really make it shine this sort of thing does need to be highlighted to the devs. Also, I think the best change aside from modifying the LP scheme to make it more fair, is to just make the LP store items better, and add more than you absolutely can't get anywhere else.
I'm of the opinion that a lot of the current store items are just placeholders, easy AUR variants they could throw in there for now with minimal effort while they develop the real items that would be in high demand for the player market. If not, then CCP has totally blown it and needs to reconsider what they are doing IMO.
I agree, the current items in the LPS are clearly just the beginning, we can obliviously expect more coming to the store as more updates arrive. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 07:51:00 -
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jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote:
i have to win 2 matches for 2 fittings but i never hack or be in frontlines because of the grind involved
Yeah, the best thing to do if you're a little worried about ISK is to play a support role in matches, I try to minimize financial losses as best I can, and supporting my team seems to keep me alive most of the time. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 08:39:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:1. I'm sorry, but I can't do this in public matches: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDY23qFGpw4&feature=youtube_gdata_player2. You can't buy a boundless HMG that only costs as much fitting space as a MH-82 with isk. 3. LP items are just like AUR items. They cost less skill to use than isk variants. Maybe it isn't worth it for std gear, but the prototype stuff is definitely worth it to me. Also, what if the rewards gave you 500 at lvl 4, 1000 at lvl 6, and 2500 at lvl 10. Would it be worth it then? (these values are the original chart divided by 10) Vulpes Dolosus wrote:There's still specialist equipment and weapons that have better stats/lower fitting requirements. Unless the lowered-requirement or lowered-fitting-cost items worth 6x or more the price of regular versions, then its still not worth it. I explained and covered this in the thread I linked.
One of the biggest problems you'll hear from Protobears is that the fitting cost to run Proto is extremely high, resulting in most Proto fits only going partially proto, while filling in the gaps with ADV or STD, no one can go full proto, but with the specialist weapons it allows some more free fitting space to maybe even go full proto.
The value of the new proto specialist LP gear cannot be compared to standard proto, the edge it gives goes beyond simply doing one more point of damage, it up for the individual player to decide if it's worth the lost of ISK, I would much rather spend a day recovering my losses from LP than a month getting one skill to level five for a proto suit when I could have gotten it in 5 hours running FW. |
Absoliav
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.22 09:00:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:
Would you be willing to pay 6x or more the price of regular proto so you can fit more? Do you think most players would be willing to pay that much more? because if they're not, then FW players will be screwed by the player market.
Also keep in mind the 6x is just to make i comparable to a regular skirmish payout, and that's just IF you have level 10 standing.
Getting the skill to get proto is much more worth it then using lower-SP-requirement faction gear in the long run; its more sustainable to supply, and the skill bonus can make a difference.
Yes, cause attaining ISK is easy, gaining SP isn't, there is a cap to how much SP one can collect in a week, but not one for ISK, most FW matches only cost me around 80K worth in ISK, and I can still come out with a positive K/D (not a very high one though), while a regular match usally gives me something like 150K even if I lose, while my lost for those matches only cost me around 40K-90K depending on how carried away I get with dealing with frustrating enemies, I can easily balance the cost of FW by playing smart and controlling my spending. Most players I've seen don't seem to put much thought into budgeting their battles, which is bad money management. |
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