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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3315	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:14:00 - [1] - Quote I miss it. Now it's all about who puts out the most damage the fastest and who's got the most resistance and or EHP. Can we get the old Dust back, the one you needed brains to do well in. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1172	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:15:00 - [2] - Quote Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 375	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:17:00 - [3] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. Skrim 1.0 closed beta vet >wants the sagaris back :/
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3315	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:19:00 - [4] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. My shotgun scout, saga, 'Logi scout', and biotech scout would like to disagree. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4198	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:19:00 - [5] - Quote Sev Alcatraz wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. Skrim 1.0 I think the miss-communication here is coming from most people associating "tactical-shooter" with something that combines low health with being cover-based, usually with a "sticky back" cover system. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Assert Dominance Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 662	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:20:00 - [6] - Quote scan, spin in a circle. about as tactical as it gets. LogicGäó
Kane Fyea Scions of Athra 2421	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:48:00 - [7] - Quote Umm this game has never been a tactical shooter.
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 764	Posted - 2013.12.22 02:03:00 - [8] - Quote People are too lazy to be tactical You noticed that players like to swarm into areas in Pubs when they spot a red? Yeah it's just a blob fest. I've been trying to promote tactics outside PC but people don't listen unless they're corp members. It's annoying but whatever. Tactical comes from us, the community. There's a lot you can do if you step outside the box but so many people have that "stomp or be stomped" mentality when it's not always that simple. Coordinated attacks, trickery, ambushes, para-trooping, etc... TL;DR: People are too lazy to be tactical "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Cosgar ParagonX 8953	Posted - 2013.12.22 02:09:00 - [9] - Quote "You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means." I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 2265	Posted - 2013.12.22 02:09:00 - [10] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I miss it. Now it's all about who puts out the most damage the fastest and who's got the most resistance and or EHP. Can we get the old Dust back, the one you needed brains to do well in. Unfortunately I have to agree When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+

Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1172	Posted - 2013.12.22 02:32:00 - [11] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. My shotgun scout, saga, 'Logi scout', and biotech scout would like to disagree. This game is as tactical as Battlefield and Halo. When I think of tactical, I think of slow paced, low health, cover-based gameplay. For example, Tom Clancy games. The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Cass Caul 594	Posted - 2013.12.22 02:55:00 - [12] - Quote Outside the early Uprising Cal-Logi problem, when have shields ever been more important that damage mods? Now it's about damage mods, scanners, and profile dampeners +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Cosgar ParagonX 8953	Posted - 2013.12.22 03:02:00 - [13] - Quote Even though I simply quoted The Princess Bride, my point still stands. Too many people are confusing tactical with tactics. This game was and never will be tactical with snap cover and that duck and cover gameplay at its highest emphasis. There's a bit of a common ground between twitch/arcade, tactical, and strafing/tracking FPS sub-genre, but it needs to meet a little more in the middle so everyone is equally disappointed instead of people looking for a F2P CoD or BF clone. First and foremost, Dust needs to be a thinking man's FPS where your fittings are an extension of your preferred playstyle and enough equal ground for player skill being dominant enough to beat SP skill. Like it or not, they finally did this with tanks in 1.7 with a strong enough foundation to build on it. Now it's infantry's turn. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Tectonic Fusion 770	Posted - 2013.12.22 03:14:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Even though I simply quoted The Princess Bride, my point still stands. Too many people are confusing tactical with tactics. This game was and never will be tactical with snap cover and that duck and cover gameplay at its highest emphasis. There's a bit of a common ground between twitch/arcade, tactical, and strafing/tracking FPS sub-genre, but it needs to meet a little more in the middle so everyone is equally disappointed instead of people looking for a F2P CoD or BF clone. First and foremost, Dust needs to be a thinking man's FPS where your fittings are an extension of your preferred playstyle and enough equal ground for player skill being dominant enough to beat SP skill. Like it or not, they finally did this with tanks in 1.7 with a strong enough foundation to build on it. Now it's infantry's turn. I agree it's a bit of a mixed shooter, like if I strafe for a second makes a difference if I kill or get killed, and with my dragonfly scout, I definitely have to be tactical. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
thesupertman Better Hide R Die 71	Posted - 2013.12.22 03:17:00 - [15] - Quote Add a bubble sheild to this game, and watch it become more tactical. Also they should add cloaking, riot shields, and jet packs.... I think I'm the only person still waiting for mechs/giant robot killing machines..... dangCCPyourslowpickupthepace
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 142	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:41:00 - [16] - Quote still this game is far more tactical than other fps games, battlefield is good but people still run and gun with a sniper, cod is TO MY OPINION pathethic and unrealistic, killzone is good, very good but lacks vehicles in most matches and has lower player per match and ttk is very low Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 534	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:46:00 - [17] - Quote it is tactical.....but the tactics use r rather stupid..proto logi slayers..tactic tank spam..tactic equipment spam...tactic lagg causing spam...tactic dropship spam..tactic lav spam...tactic op combat rifle spam...tactic op rail rifle spam...tactic the extremely over powered zerg rush tactic.. orbital spam tactic... as i said ALOT OF stupid tactic.. but sometimes we get a decent match where some actually none stupid tactics are used...
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 338	Posted - 2013.12.22 04:48:00 - [18] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: I miss it. Now it's all about who puts out the most damage the fastest and who's got the most resistance and or EHP. Can we get the old Dust back, the one you needed brains to do well in. This post is a brilliant example of how people completely misunderstand how FPS gameplay is structured.
DeadlyAztec11 2849	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:01:00 - [19] - Quote Protocake JR wrote: Sinboto Simmons wrote: Protocake JR wrote: Dust was never a tactical shooter. Ever. My shotgun scout, saga, 'Logi scout', and biotech scout would like to disagree. This game is as tactical as Battlefield and Halo. When I think of tactical, I think of slow paced, low health, cover-based gameplay. For example, Tom Clancy games. You're taking me back to the good'ol days... »We still have our honor!
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 914	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:09:00 - [20] - Quote Tactical shooter? Lol. No, DUST is about winning resources for EVE. CCP stupidly did not focus on that first so here we are with all the b*tching about weapons balance and aiming like it matters and DUST has been lost in the mix of all the other fps combat games. You hear that ppl? It's a resource gathering game. You are supposed to care about your EVE ovelords. Oh the QQ that will start when CCP actually starts focusing on that main aspect and stops worrying about what everybody is worrying about now. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014

Protocake JR Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 1176	Posted - 2013.12.22 05:44:00 - [21] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Tactical shooter? Lol. No, DUST is about winning resources for EVE. CCP stupidly did not focus on that first so here we are with all the b*tching about weapons balance and aiming like it matters and DUST has been lost in the mix of all the other fps combat games. You hear that ppl? It's a resource gathering game. You are supposed to care about your EVE ovelords. Oh the QQ that will start when CCP actually starts focusing on that main aspect and stops worrying about what everybody is worrying about now. See CCP incorrectly chose the fps as the format for this game. It should have been a RTS. Ew. The PC and SL should fit into Sidearm/ Equipment slots so it's accessible and practical to carry one. AV spam vs V spam
Cosgar ParagonX 8960	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:13:00 - [22] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Tactical shooter? Lol. No, DUST is about winning resources for EVE. CCP stupidly did not focus on that first so here we are with all the b*tching about weapons balance and aiming like it matters and DUST has been lost in the mix of all the other fps combat games. You hear that ppl? It's a resource gathering game. You are supposed to care about your EVE ovelords. Oh the QQ that will start when CCP actually starts focusing on that main aspect and stops worrying about what everybody is worrying about now. See CCP incorrectly chose the fps as the format for this game. It should have been a RTS. I remember seeing an interview where they wanted it to be a RTS but decided to make it a FPS after playing Halo and Section 8. This game really had a lot of potential in early development, but a lot of that seemed to be scrapped thanks to the cancer of modern military FPS and a year of not having a foundation to build on. Just look at this thread, people are still arguing over if this game is a tactical FPS or not. Stuff like that makes me worry about the future of this game. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Aqua-Regia 604	Posted - 2013.12.22 06:20:00 - [23] - Quote Most likely ''tactical shooter'' part will not happen again in dust 514. it all about TFOM and spamming hard as you can. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò


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