DUST Search - Hey tankers you do know how "OP" you guys are right ?

True Adamance wrote:

Borne Velvalor wrote:

True Adamance wrote:

Tyjus Vacca wrote:

This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D

Really because I don't see the issue.

Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us.

Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us.

How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't.

I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently.

Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another.

I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch.

Have you ever cycled shield hardeners against AV and been popped, through your hardeners? I think I might've lost 1 HAV while it was permahardened. Most of my deaths occur in the few gaps between hardeners I have, but once I max my core skills I'll be able to cycle them indefinitely. Lol

I have tried to take our a Shield Tank with a Rail and Proto Blaster before and found no purchase with my only course to be to run away. However I have come back with a friendly rail tank to pop that Shield tanker.

Perhaps since I don't run shield tanks I don't see that issue so much, however that only perhaps highlights that the fitting requirements are too low for shield hardeners.

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Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 56	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:44:00 - [1] - Quote This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3900	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:48:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, I know how 'Outlandishly Perfect' I am. What kind of question is this? DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5166	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:49:00 - [3] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 451	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:56:00 - [4] - Quote Senator Snipe blew two of my tanks up in one match, destroyed three other pilots, and went 22-4. A.) Nerf Forge Guns. B.) Avoid Senator Snipe. C. ) Acknowledge that most AV players are trash, and good ones are still crunching balls and taking names. Which of the three should I pick?
Jason Pearson 3551	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:57:00 - [5] - Quote Hey bad AV guy, you do know how skill-less you are, right? I can't wait for you to learn how to kill us, guess some of you are quicker than others. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire. Buffing or Debuffing Vehicles or AV will never fix anything.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5166	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:58:00 - [6] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Senator Snipe blew two of my tanks up in one match, destroyed three other pilots, and went 22-4. A.) Nerf Forge Guns. B.) Avoid Senator Snipe. C. ) Acknowledge that most AV players are trash, and good ones are still crunching balls and taking names. Which of the three should I pick? SenatorSnipe was my great fear in the old FW scene, him and Cyrius just seemed to have AV down pat whenever they saw I was on the other team....they are a nasty team. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 3901	Posted - 2013.12.21 22:58:00 - [7] - Quote Our Deepest Regret wrote: Senator Snipe blew two of my tanks up in one match, destroyed three other pilots, and went 22-4. A.) Nerf Forge Guns. B.) Avoid Senator Snipe. C. ) Acknowledge that most AV players are trash, and good ones are still crunching balls and taking names. Which of the three should I pick? I'm speccing Forge now, because I managed to take out Sikitank with a Basic one. One more level away from the Assault Forge. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Our Deepest Regret L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 451	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:01:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Our Deepest Regret wrote: Senator Snipe blew two of my tanks up in one match, destroyed three other pilots, and went 22-4. A.) Nerf Forge Guns. B.) Avoid Senator Snipe. C. ) Acknowledge that most AV players are trash, and good ones are still crunching balls and taking names. Which of the three should I pick? SenatorSnipe was my great fear in the old FW scene, him and Cyrius just seemed to have AV down pat whenever they saw I was on the other team....they are a nasty team. Dude's a beast. STB might be considered a paper tiger, but he certainly ain't.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1109	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:07:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. Have you ever cycled shield hardeners against AV and been popped, through your hardeners? I think I might've lost 1 HAV while it was permahardened. Most of my deaths occur in the few gaps between hardeners I have, but once I max my core skills I'll be able to cycle them indefinitely. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
True Adamance Scions of Athra 5171	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:12:00 - [10] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. Have you ever cycled shield hardeners against AV and been popped, through your hardeners? I think I might've lost 1 HAV while it was permahardened. Most of my deaths occur in the few gaps between hardeners I have, but once I max my core skills I'll be able to cycle them indefinitely. I have tried to take our a Shield Tank with a Rail and Proto Blaster before and found no purchase with my only course to be to run away. However I have come back with a friendly rail tank to pop that Shield tanker. Perhaps since I don't run shield tanks I don't see that issue so much, however that only perhaps highlights that the fitting requirements are too low for shield hardeners. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3427	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:22:00 - [11] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. . AV-ing is too hard compared to tanking = Issue Example: HAving to use PROTO AV to SCARE MLT tanks. Having to use SQUADS of AV-ers to drop a SINGLE enemy red dot in a tank.. Etc.... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1483	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:42:00 - [12] - Quote Tanks really seem to be in a similar spot to where they were early in closed beta, when I'd take my surya and drive full speed around the map doing drive-by railgun killings. It's not quite that bad, but they're pretty much impossible to kill with just infantry. If you do mass up AV to kill one pesky tank, then your squad is moments away from getting rolled by the combat / rail rifle users, and the tank you killed will be back in action in 60 seconds because hey, what's 80k isk when you're nearly invincible in it? There's not much point in even trying to kill tanks. Even getting them with orbitals is near impossible since they move so fast.
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3292	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:42:00 - [13] - Quote Still not as bad as dropships used to be We used to have a time machine
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1109	Posted - 2013.12.21 23:51:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. Have you ever cycled shield hardeners against AV and been popped, through your hardeners? I think I might've lost 1 HAV while it was permahardened. Most of my deaths occur in the few gaps between hardeners I have, but once I max my core skills I'll be able to cycle them indefinitely. I have tried to take our a Shield Tank with a Rail and Proto Blaster before and found no purchase with my only course to be to run away. However I have come back with a friendly rail tank to pop that Shield tanker. Perhaps since I don't run shield tanks I don't see that issue so much, however that only perhaps highlights that the fitting requirements are too low for shield hardeners. If enemy tanks did not exist and I maxed my core skills, I sincerely doubt I would lose more than a couple HAVs a week. AV is either underpowered or shield tanks or overpowered. I need some more SP, but I should be able to permanently run hardeners while having 3 ADV Blaster turrets to ferry people around in and deal up to 2100 DPS to other tanks; more than a double amped prototype Railgun in damage. Still have room for +60% ammo for those small blasters, which chew through the stuff. Total cost is probably around 300k. Right now I'm using a light version, which is inferior in several aspects and so long as another tank doesn't come through and I don't make a bonehead move (I do all the time) I'm practically immortal. I've camped whole squads of AV that are spawning on a roof firing Forges and Swarms at me. Really, pretty much all of my deaths (which are, admittedly a fair amount, due to my inferior fit and skills) are when my hardeners drop or to railguns. Basically, with maxed core skills, either drop my shields in one blow when I deploy, punch through them with a rail tank or swarm me with multiple enemy tanks. The only one of these that is viable for non-tankers is hitting me as I deploy. They can deploy a force of militia tanks behind their redline, but when there's 5 of me, preferably one with a railgun thrown into the mix? Good luck. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 2237	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:04:00 - [15] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. . AV-ing is too hard compared to tanking = Issue Example: HAving to use PROTO AV to SCARE MLT tanks. Having to use SQUADS of AV-ers to drop a SINGLE enemy red dot in a tank.. Etc.... we all agree that militia tanks are too strong. Youtube Gallente Loyalist Closed Beta Player
KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3427	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:06:00 - [16] - Quote Void Echo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. . AV-ing is too hard compared to tanking = Issue Example: HAving to use PROTO AV to SCARE MLT tanks. Having to use SQUADS of AV-ers to drop a SINGLE enemy red dot in a tank.. Etc.... we all agree that militia tanks are too strong. With a MLT tank balance and Blaster turret efficiency NERFED vs infantry to Rail/Missile turret level , i would be more than pleased...without even having to nerf tanks or limit them or buffing aV... AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Sev Alcatraz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 375	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:08:00 - [17] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D It's not going to happen, Tanks are the weakest they have been since ever there just cheaper and slightly faster closed beta vet >wants the sagaris back :/
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 2237	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:10:00 - [18] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Void Echo wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. . AV-ing is too hard compared to tanking = Issue Example: HAving to use PROTO AV to SCARE MLT tanks. Having to use SQUADS of AV-ers to drop a SINGLE enemy red dot in a tank.. Etc.... we all agree that militia tanks are too strong. With a MLT tank balance and Blaster turret efficiency NERFED vs infantry to Rail/Missile turret level , i would be more than pleased...without even having to nerf tanks or limit them or buffing aV... blaster: anti infantry Rail: anti vehicle Missile: anti both Youtube Gallente Loyalist Closed Beta Player
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 199	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:11:00 - [19] - Quote Yeah their not op at all honestly...Me and a buddy from scouts united busted three just this morning. A soma, a madrugger and a gunnlogi. In three games. They didnt bother bringing out more. Tank never got a shot on us and we ohked them with teamwork. They arent op, you guys just try and fight them directly. Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication
Heals Vaginas Commando Perkone Caldari State 34	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:12:00 - [20] - Quote The reason tanks seem OP is because you have been nerfed, by youself. Your tears have started to rust the plates on your suit, slowing movement down, the wiring has suffered water damage, the salt in your tears help speed up the erosion. maybe you should....HTFU and go kill some tanks

KING CHECKMATE Scions of Athra 3428	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:14:00 - [21] - Quote Void Echo wrote: blaster: anti infantry Rail: anti vehicle Missile: anti both AV : Anti vehicles And i dont see my swarms doing as much damage as Blaster turrets to INFANTRY. Plus , Blaster turrets then need a big NERF of efficiency vs other Vehicles.As it is they are 100% effective vs everything and this should not be. Missile Turrets might be ''anti both'' but has a certain BALANCE with high reload time and not very PRECISE vs infantry, thing the Blaster DOES have. AV-TANK BALANCE = https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1612446#post1612446
Charlie Barkin KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 19	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:16:00 - [22] - Quote Use teamwork like a good infantry and you won't run into OP Tanks. Tanks are supposed to be a shock and awe weapon. They are meant to demoralize the weak and uncoordinated. In other words, they are functioning perfectly. Are you?
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 2237	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:17:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Void Echo wrote: blaster: anti infantry Rail: anti vehicle Missile: anti both AV : Anti vehicles And i dont see my swarms doing as much damage as Blaster turrets to INFANTRY. Plus , Blaster turrets then need a big NERF of efficiency vs other Vehicles.As it is they are 100% effective vs everything and this should not be. Missile Turrets might be ''anti both'' but has a certain BALANCE with high reload time and not very PRECISE vs infantry, thing the Blaster DOES have. swarm launchers would be best served if CCP gave them dumbfire back. Youtube Gallente Loyalist Closed Beta Player
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 2238	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:22:00 - [24] - Quote Charlie Barkin wrote: Use teamwork like a good infantry and you won't run into OP Tanks. Tanks are supposed to be a shock and awe weapon. They are meant to demoralize the weak and uncoordinated. In other words, they are functioning perfectly. Are you? well, there demoralized and scarred for life, I guess mission accomplished for you guys eh? Youtube Gallente Loyalist Closed Beta Player
Scout Registry 140	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:29:00 - [25] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. Brave Tanker A: Read above. "Coordination, teamwork, timing, the right gear ... if infantry did it right, they'd find tanks to be 'paper-thin'." Brave Tanker B: Read https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=131012 "Coordination, teamwork, timing, the right gear ... haha! ... I survived anyway ... but good effort!" I do hope you Brave Tankers can see how plainly and openly you contradict yourselves.
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 2384	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:30:00 - [26] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Yeah their not op at all honestly...Me and a buddy from scouts united busted three just this morning. A soma, a madrugger and a gunnlogi. In three games. They didnt bother bringing out more. Tank never got a shot on us and we ohked them with teamwork. They arent op, you guys just try and fight them directly. This. We need more common sense post like these. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 60	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:36:00 - [27] - Quote Charlie Barkin wrote: Use teamwork like a good infantry and you won't run into OP Tanks. Tanks are supposed to be a shock and awe weapon. They are meant to demoralize the weak and uncoordinated. In other words, they are functioning perfectly. Are you? I like tots agree but it take proto av to scare milita tank, currently like the best way to kill tanks is with a milita rail with 2dmg mods not any of the proto av...... tldr; "and didn't want to write" ; tanks are too good against infantry and other tanks while infantry av options are pretty low
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 62	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:41:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D Really because I don't see the issue. Smart AVers hit us when our actives are down or use AV en masse to breach our resistances with ease. Other players simply attempt to make rail gun fits with damage modules to Snipe us, others smap 3 MLT tank and typically attempt to overwhelm us. Ballsier AV use stealth and Remote Explosives to destroy us. How can you not get it through your head that it takes some modicum of skill to destroy HAV now, in fact no it really doesn't. I don't really get this QQ I was doing better with 1.6 HAV than I am now with these current HAV, which despite my drop in efficiency I am enjoying far more because some of the handling, module activation glitches, and such have been reworked, not to mention enjoying the new Tank Vs Tank that has popped up recently. Used to only see 1 vs 1 duels per game, now 3-4 tanks will be going at it across the map trying to hunt one another. I do think tanks need an ISK increase on the hulls, turrets are finally at a good place. And we need a slight blaster tracking nerf, maybe even a little AV buff, but to no more than they sat last patch. bro Im not too salty about the tank buff/changes they were needed but to say that av is fine is just stupid I mean look at the plasma cannon......... av needs to be like a constant fear of tankers they should be more afraid of av then other tanks imo
Stinker Butt Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 221	Posted - 2013.12.22 00:43:00 - [29] - Quote Tyjus Vacca wrote: This is one nerf hammer I can't wait for...... :D They are all in denial that they are OP. They think that they suddenly have k/d ratio's of 20 to 1 because of the superior "skill," that they acquired with 1.7. It would be amusing if it weren't so sad. Please give tanks some balance
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1947	Posted - 2013.12.22 01:00:00 - [30] - Quote Tankers should suck if they have no points in vehicles. Am I a noob for thinking so? Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.



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