Not quite sure on this. I think I've seen a fair number of people get a res after I headshot them. I think the threshold for whether you can be resuscitated or not is based on how much damage you suffer over your full HP value; headshots are often fatal, but not 100% of the time.

Example: you're in a suit with 250 HP. An NT-511 headshots you for, what, ~300 damage? You should be able to be res'd after that. A Charge headshots you for ~800 damage in the same suit? No chance. Along the same lines, a Logi with ~700 HP could probably get a res after the Charge headshot.

Not quite sure on this. I think I've seen a fair number of people get a res after I headshot them. I think the threshold for whether you can be resuscitated or not is based on how much damage you suffer over your full HP value; headshots are often fatal, but not 100% of the time.

Example: you're in a suit with 250 HP. An NT-511 headshots you for, what, ~300 damage? You should be able to be res'd after that. A Charge headshots you for ~800 damage in the same suit? No chance. Along the same lines, a Logi with ~700 HP could probably get a res after the Charge headshot.

Not quite sure on this. I think I've seen a fair number of people get a res after I headshot them. I think the threshold for whether you can be resuscitated or not is based on how much damage you suffer over your full HP value; headshots are often fatal, but not 100% of the time.

Example: you're in a suit with 250 HP. An NT-511 headshots you for, what, ~300 damage? You should be able to be res'd after that. A Charge headshots you for ~800 damage in the same suit? No chance. Along the same lines, a Logi with ~700 HP could probably get a res after the Charge headshot.

I've seen this a lot of times before, I pop the head of guy, other guy comes with a needle, the guy with the needle ress the guy with the popped head... and I'm like

So, I think there's a problem, unless the nanites are powerful enough to reconstruct the skull and brain matter.



Headshots are supossed to be instant kills, no matter how much EHP you have.

I see a lot of people in here saying a headshot should be non-revivable, but how many people have actually watched to see the results of hundreds of their headshot kills? Snipers are the most qualified to speak on this issue, since we know exactly which of our shots went where, and we can usually watch to see if the body is res'd or not. I doubt CQ fighters can make similarly detailed observations.

I stand by my belief that some headshot kills can be revived. I don't really care if that's the way it's supposed to be or not; as if it'd be the first thing in the game to not work consistently.

Are you still able to be revived after a headshot?

I see a lot of people in here saying a headshot should be non-revivable, but how many people have actually watched to see the results of hundreds of their headshot kills? Snipers are the most qualified to speak on this issue, since we know exactly which of our shots went where, and we can usually watch to see if the body is res'd or not. I doubt CQ fighters can make similarly detailed observations.

I stand by my belief that some headshot kills can be revived. I don't really care if that's the way it's supposed to be or not; as if it'd be the first thing in the game to not work consistently.

"snipers are the most qualified"

I just spit out my incredibly good tasting peppermint mocha. The majority of snipers are qualified to hit body shots and just hide the whole match near the redline which does nothing to help their infantry rapidly dying on field.

You know they have RR's with a scope that provide the ease of headshots, right?

You found a way to mention how useless you think snipers are even though it's not remotely pertinent to my argument, bravo.

Allow me to rephrase then. I am qualified to speak of headshot kills. I have about a thousand headshot kills, a little less than half my total kills. I headshot running over-tanked pieces of **** all the time; because if I didn't headshot them, I'd get few kills at all, what with everyone going around with an average of 800 HP.

The "snipers" who get out a rifle and put it on their tanked Logi or Heavy suit: those snipers probably aren't qualified to speak on the issue. But I am not one of those snipers.

Yes I did. Nice observation.

But the point remains, snipers aren't the only ones who can get a headshot. Just a little reminder, that is all. I do it all the time.

I don't need to be reminded of a point I never argued against.

I never said other people don't get headshots.

I said snipers can watch the aftermath of their headshots better than CQ fighters. Because, presumably, CQ fighters are too busy being shot at to consistently notice who's revived after being shot where.

All this illustrates is that you hate snipers so much you can't even read and absorb a brief post that ultimately had nothing to do with the skill/value of snipers.

I see a lot of people in here saying a headshot should be non-revivable, but how many people have actually watched to see the results of hundreds of their headshot kills? Snipers are the most qualified to speak on this issue, since we know exactly which of our shots went where, and we can usually watch to see if the body is res'd or not. I doubt CQ fighters can make similarly detailed observations.

I stand by my belief that some headshot kills can be revived. I don't really care if that's the way it's supposed to be or not; as if it'd be the first thing in the game to not work consistently.

I am a former sniper (moved on to scrambler rifle) and I have had many headshot kills as well with the sniper rifle and scrambler. From what I remember, headshot kills are still revivable. I would prefer that headshot kills are non revivable as a way to reward precision.

In many instances, Ive been in a 1 vs 4 firefight and have downed 2 of the 4 while defending the target. In many of these instances, I aim for the head to ensure a faster drop and move on to the other players. In many of these instances, such killed players are revived and Im thinking to myself, "well thats dumb. whats the point of going for headshots if they can still be revived?"

Besides what I think about snipers, the fact remains. Snipers are not the only ones who can get headshots.

Are you trying to argue against that or you want to argue about my opinion on snipers?

I don't even have the time for the latter...its pointless.

Are you trying to be exasperating?

I don't give a **** who can get headshots. I'm saying snipers can watch what happens afterwards with greater accuracy because we aren't running around and shooting/getting shot at.

How difficult is that to comprehend?

[ I aim for the head to ensure a faster drop and move on to the other players. whats the point of going for headshots if they can still be revived?"

I am a former sniper (moved on to scrambler rifle) and I have had many headshot kills as well with the sniper rifle and scrambler. From what I remember, headshot kills are still revivable. I would prefer that headshot kills are non revivable as a way to reward precision.

In many instances, Ive been in a 1 vs 4 firefight and have downed 2 of the 4 while defending the target. In many of these instances, I aim for the head to ensure a faster drop and move on to the other players. In many of these instances, such killed players are revived and Im thinking to myself, "well thats dumb. whats the point of going for headshots if they can still be revived?"

This character is a pure sniper, I use proto weapons, and yes you can be revived after a head shot, it just depends on how much over kill is involved

Wow. You really need to chill out. And broaden your mind. So all the time, infantry is just running around like its COD, laying waste to enemies and have no time to see what happens afterwards?

Think broader and smarter. I have seen it with my own eyes...because...ya know, I have a RR with a scope and I'm just patrolling my section as commanded by squad lead.

How difficult is that perceive? You get mad at me for categorizing snipers, yet proceed to do the same with infantry.

stupid ****

Lore wise, it makes sense. Given the might these weapons wield, it makes sense that once the shields and armor are compromised, it's going to shred the skull in such a violent manner that a nano hive cannot even reconstruct.

Although... it does raise the lore question, what about the "mind/soul" scanning hardware that usually insures transfer of conscious to the next body? Wouldn't it be compromised as well, kind killing permanently the merc like the rest of mere mortals? With capsuleers it makes sense, the "egg" protects the hardware itself (and scan occurring at the slightest crack of the egg), allowing just enough time for that instant scan before the explosion fries the capsuleer itself. But in the case of a merc, how does that work out?

Yah I know, a bit of a Eve nerd. But it is curious how the soul transfer occurs with mercs despite the head shots.

Explosive deaths in Dust would be as bad or worse than headshots, I'd think. I know the bodies don't render as being blown apart, but in reality they would be.

If I had to say at exactly what point the transfer happens, it's when the interior body-glove (underneath the armor) is penetrated. So with a headshot we'd have to assume that when the bullet enters the inner-helmet lining, it triggers the same response as when the EVE capsule is breached. Somewhere in the intervening fractions of a second from passing through the helmet to penetrating the skull and finally entering the brain, the transfer most likely occurs.

Could a scan happen that fast? Probably not, but chalk it up to sci-fi magic.

[quote=Andius Fidelitas]
Explosive deaths in Dust would be as bad or worse than headshots, I'd think. I know the bodies don't render as being blown apart, but in reality they would be.

If I had to say at exactly what point the transfer happens, it's when the interior body-glove (underneath the armor) is penetrated. So with a headshot we'd have to assume that when the bullet enters the inner-helmet lining, it triggers the same response as when the EVE capsule is breached. Somewhere in the intervening fractions of a second from passing through the helmet to penetrating the skull and finally entering the brain, the transfer most likely occurs.

Could a scan happen that fast? Probably not, but chalk it up to sci-fi magic.

Well it can happen, the scan is like the flash of a camera, and the flashes are faster than the bullets, meaning that when the bullet breaches the helmet of a clone, while it's destroying layer after layer of the armor the scan process will take the picture of your brain, killing you instantly and moving "you" to another clone.

The system is very sensitive at preserving the life of a clone, even the smallest and insignificant fracture in the hull of an EVE capsule will trigger the scan process in less than a second.

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That actually makes sense within the logic of the Eve lore. The body glove would be the detector itself.

That has potential for lots of comedy though, hehehe. Imagine a merc going about it's business, accidentally pulls a wee too hard the body glove, causing a rip (assuming the body glove is not that strong, which I imagine shouldn't be the case), BAM, accidental death and transfer to another body, hehehehehe.

Hopefully CCP will clarify wether head shots negate the use of hives or not. Quite useful tactical info. Although it is already instinct to attempt to aim at the head for some. Achieving the head shot is a reward in and of itself. ^^