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xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1318	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:19:00 - [1] - Quote The fact: A logistic gk.0 can easily bring 4 rep nanohives (spamming 7 of them), with 670 Armor, 6.87 Sprint, Proto Light, 2 complex dmg mod. (fitting tool) Now, multiply it by 16. There will potentially be 112 rep nanohives. 112. Fill the city or the objectives with that (high places preferably, just in case) and start shooting. Am I the only one seeing an issue both with nano hive spam and gk.0 logi? Tank 514.
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 3699	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:24:00 - [2] - Quote They already said they were going to address Equipment spam in the next patch.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1318	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:26:00 - [3] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: They already said they were going to address Equipment spam in the next patch. Yes, they also gave a hint: You'll have to waste an OB in order to destroy equipments. Seriously? Doesn't solve the problem at all: just go back to the supply depot and spam again. Tank 514.
RED FARM GOOD OL' B0YS 39	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:27:00 - [4] - Quote Max I think they could have out at one time is I believe 2 WyriKomis @ 140 armor per cycle. Public Chat: GOOD OL' B0YS Please note the word B0YS has a zero in it.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 1628	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:27:00 - [5] - Quote Working as intended. That's a lot of +5's for the smart guy that brought Fluxes. Alyssa Milano.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 421	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:30:00 - [6] - Quote Yeah, they can't fill my HMG fast enough Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn 29	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:32:00 - [7] - Quote Sounds like an EMP option. But would that not wipe your own equipment (lore)? FAME
abarkrishna WarRavens 212	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:36:00 - [8] - Quote You do realize all logi suits has 4 equipment slots. But hey lets hate on Gallente specifically. I have never seen more than 4 sets of repping hives near an objective either. No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2. When will they learn!
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1318	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:37:00 - [9] - Quote Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote: Sounds like an EMP option. But would that not wipe your own equipment (lore)? Of course it would. Why not just capping the total number of nanohives/drop uplinks a player can spam, like, 3 nanohives and 3 drop uplinks per player regardless of the type of nano hive/drop uplink? Tank 514.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1318	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:38:00 - [10] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: You do realize all logi suits has 4 equipment slots. But hey lets hate on Gallente specifically. I have never seen more than 4 sets of repping hives near an objective either. Obviously, not in pubs/FW. Specifically Gallente, because you can actually use your logi suit as an assault (the old ck.0, anyone?), much better than an assault: 2 damage mods, 600+ armor and constant auto repairing looks OP to me. Tank 514.

Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4256	Posted - 2013.12.20 04:55:00 - [11] - Quote RED FARM wrote: Max I think they could have out at one time is I believe 2 WyriKomis @ 140 armor per cycle. When you go to put another out it burns out one. They can carry more though. Has this changed? If you run different types of nanohive, you can have more out at a time. Also, "(R)" variants allow 2 simultaneous active nanohives at once. Add the Compact to the list because while not labeled as (R) it also has repair capabilities, and you have your 7 Repair Nanohives from 4 equipment slots. Also, if you load up on 4 slots worth of Wiyrkomi Nanohives, you'll only be able to have 2 active at a time, but you carry 3 per slot for a maximum of 12.
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:07:00 - [12] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: You do realize all logi suits has 4 equipment slots. But hey lets hate on Gallente specifically. I have never seen more than 4 sets of repping hives near an objective either. a¦á_a¦á /can't tell if stupid or just ignorant. Protip: Caldari and Amarr Logi suits max out at three (3) equipment slots. AmLogi gains back a slot in the form of a sidearm (but loses one for Amarr racial suit design, because CCP), while CalLogi gains back a high slot, and two low slots. Because CalLogi "lulz I can stack armor just like an Amarr Logi or GalSalt".
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 444	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:47:00 - [13] - Quote Templar 514 wrote: a¦á_a¦á /can't tell if stupid or just ignorant. Protip: Caldari and Amarr Logi suits max out at three (3) equipment slots. AmLogi gains back a slot in the form of a sidearm (but loses one for Amarr racial suit design, because CCP), while CalLogi gains back a high slot, and two low slots. Because CalLogi "lulz I can stack armor just like an Amarr Logi or GalSalt". Wrong on the Caldari Logistics. The Caldari simply trades an equipment slot and some CPU for an extra low.
Aero Yassavi Scions of Athra 4188	Posted - 2013.12.20 05:53:00 - [14] - Quote I'd say a partial solution would be having your equipment disappear if you change suits. Put it in lore that the equipment is drawing it's energy from your suit and cannot exist without a connection to it. If you die, the equipment will stay in place so long as you respawn in the same fit. This would tackle the biggest issue which is everyone spamming their equipment from their dozens of fittings right at the supply depot. Angels of vengeance, angels of mercy, scions of Athra. Amarr Victor
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1803	Posted - 2013.12.20 06:05:00 - [15] - Quote abarkrishna wrote: You do realize all logi suits has 4 equipment slots. But hey lets hate on Gallente specifically. I have never seen more than 4 sets of repping hives near an objective either. Caldari and amarr have 3, amarr trades one equipment slot for a sidearm and caldari trades one equipment for its slot layout believe. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Templar 514 Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 66	Posted - 2013.12.20 06:06:00 - [16] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: Wrong on the Caldari Logistics. The Caldari simply trades an equipment slot and some CPU for an extra low. Compared to Gallente and Minmatar Logi suits. I was referring to the difference of CalSalt vs CalLogi, where the Logi suit gains +1 H/+2 L, on top of +2 Equipment, while receiving a minor penalty of no sidearm. So I suppose that makes both of us correct.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 444	Posted - 2013.12.20 06:14:00 - [17] - Quote ^ Ok, then. Your post did not specify the frame of reference, from what I could tell... (and if you are comparing Caldari Assaut to Caldari Logistics, then the Logi gains only one low over the Assault, not two) Aero Yassavi wrote: I'd say a partial solution would be having your equipment disappear if you change suits. Put it in lore that the equipment is drawing it's energy from your suit and cannot exist without a connection to it. If you die, the equipment will stay in place so long as you respawn in the same fit. This would tackle the biggest issue which is everyone spamming their equipment from their dozens of fittings right at the supply depot. Yeah, that would kill equipment spam. And equipment use in general. I have a variety of logi fittings, and none of them dedicated to spam. Your suggestion would hurt me, for no other reason than some [Not me] are abusing something.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4259	Posted - 2013.12.20 06:24:00 - [18] - Quote PROPER Solution: Nanohive limits should be for max number of total nanohives, NOT max number per type. If you have one nanohive active, and deploy a second, and EITHER of those nanohives has a limit of 1, the first should vanish. If you have 1 nanohive and deploy a second, and both have a limit of 2, you end up with 2 nanohives. If you try deploying a 3rd, the first one you deployed will vanish. Simple, elegant, solves the problem.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1319	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:25:00 - [19] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: PROPER Solution: Nanohive limits should be for max number of total nanohives, NOT max number per type. If you have one nanohive active, and deploy a second, and EITHER of those nanohives has a limit of 1, the first should vanish. If you have 1 nanohive and deploy a second, and both have a limit of 2, you end up with 2 nanohives. If you try deploying a 3rd, the first one you deployed will vanish. Simple, elegant, solves the problem. That's right. It's so simple that I can't understand why doesn't ccp thought about it, or why they just didn't fix it. Tank 514.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 6510	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:33:00 - [20] - Quote Equipment spam seems poorly optimised. Level 6 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'

Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1432	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:35:00 - [21] - Quote One Flux to wipe them all. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara You can find me in Gallente's FW. I smell of freedom.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1319	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:39:00 - [22] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: One Flux to wipe them all. Useless: You will probably be killed before you can even cook it, or also useless because even if you flux the equipment the enemy can always spam it again. Tank 514.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1432	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:41:00 - [23] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Useless: You will probably be killed before you can even cook it, or also useless because even if you flux the equipment the enemy can always spam it again. That's like saying weapons are useless. Sure, you can kill the reds, but they'll just spam clone more reds. And so this has taken a turn. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara You can find me in Gallente's FW. I smell of freedom.
xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 1319	Posted - 2013.12.20 13:56:00 - [24] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Useless: You will probably be killed before you can even cook it, or also useless because even if you flux the equipment the enemy can always spam it again. That's like saying weapons are useless. Sure, you can kill the reds, but they'll just spam clone more reds. And so this has taken a turn. Oh no, that's not exactly the same: you're killing a red because, well, that's the game. But spamming equipment is simply a broken mechanic abuse, that's it! It's more like the tank argument: you'll have to take care of not just one issue (the self repairing super-suit) but even with framarate lag and issues related. You'll have to "waste" resources (grenades / time) in order to play a fair game. But you just won't succeed. It's pretty hard to explain for me, it's better if I show you with a video, what the issue really is. I'll upload a vid soon showing you how cheap and exploitable mechanic it is. Tank 514.


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