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KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Bethhy wrote:

SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;)

Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot. Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky.

Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? *shrugs*

We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point.

''SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;) ''
What proto suits? Last time i checked i couldnt drop a SINGLE proto logi,since all have at least 500ARMOR (and the SCR rifle has the worst penalty at 80% vs armor) and anything with 500+ EHP can Survive. If you are talking about PROTO SCOUTS, then i agree.
If you are talking about a CHARGED SHOT , PLUS headshot, i think i kind of deserve the kill, and STILL,most of the times they dont drop,making me have to use follow up shots and having to take out an SMG if there is another enemy near...

''Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot.''
So the rifle is OP because i can aim? Because im betting a 1 on 1 firefight on ONE shot? Im still missing the point here...

'' Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky.''
1 on 1 the SCR is powerful. I;ve said it, its probably the BEST 1 on 1 weapon in the game. But if you are with ANOTHER friend and you BOTH die to 1 SCR user,you are doing it wrong.

''Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? *shrugs*
LOL no. In any case, making the SCR have +10% vs Shields and ONLY -10% vs armor would really fix it ;)
Yea the glitch is fixed.

''We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point''
Agreed 100%
Before AA i felt special using the SCR rifle. After AA, not so much....

BTW , most people saying the SCR is so damn OP are probably AR users....I know bethy is....
CR and RR users are mostly ok vs SCR ,because they have the range to fight back.
(Example: The combat Rifle hits 32 per bullet in 3 bullet bursts.This means if 1 bullet hits,at 1200 RoF , usually the other 2 hit too. Thats 96 Damage PER burst... AT STD level. With 5% penalty on shields and 10% bonus to armor...Having a good optimal range and better Hip fire capacity,they dont struggle so much vs SCR)


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Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 513	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:10:00 - [1] - Quote SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;) Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot. Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky. Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? shrugs We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 513	Posted - 2013.12.20 01:31:00 - [2] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;) Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot. Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky. Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? shrugs We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point. ''SCR OHKO's proto assault suit's don't let them fool you ;) '' What proto suits? Last time i checked i couldnt drop a SINGLE proto logi,since all have at least 500ARMOR (and the SCR rifle has the worst penalty at 80% vs armor) and anything with 500+ EHP can Survive. If you are talking about PROTO SCOUTS, then i agree. If you are talking about a CHARGED SHOT , PLUS headshot, i think i kind of deserve the kill, and STILL,most of the times they dont drop,making me have to use follow up shots and having to take out an SMG if there is another enemy near... ''Most SCR users have charged shot's hitting at about 480-520+ damage then you add the headshot.'' So the rifle is OP because i can aim? Because im betting a 1 on 1 firefight on ONE shot? Im still missing the point here... '' Most brick tanked logi's limp away and are like "WTF.. even a Thales doesn't hit that hard" everyone else either dies and or is lucky.'' 1 on 1 the SCR is powerful. I;ve said it, its probably the BEST 1 on 1 weapon in the game. But if you are with ANOTHER friend and you BOTH die to 1 SCR user,you are doing it wrong. ''Its just got a bit to much efficiency everything else is fine. Did they fix the overheat circumvent glitch? shrugs LOL no. In any case, making the SCR have +10% vs Shields and ONLY -10% vs armor would really fix it ;) Yea the glitch is fixed. ''We don't need AA no more.it hurts the game more then it helps.That or limit it to characters under 5-10m SP and it stops working.. it's just being abused and it's not the new players who benefit from it at this point'' Agreed 100% Before AA i felt special using the SCR rifle. After AA, not so much.... BTW , most people saying the SCR is so damn OP are probably AR users....I know bethy is.... CR and RR users are mostly ok vs SCR ,because they have the range to fight back. (Example: The combat Rifle hits 32 per bullet in 3 bullet bursts.This means if 1 bullet hits,at 1200 RoF , usually the other 2 hit too. Thats 96 Damage PER burst... AT STD level. With 5% penalty on shields and 10% bonus to armor...Having a good optimal range and better Hip fire capacity,they dont struggle so much vs SCR) Proto assault suit's probably not a logi suit just sayin... Not many logi's are running 500 armor... around 400ish also just sayin... (some high 400's) One charged shot is doing 500 damage without having to aim at anything special.. just center mass which is easy to do with hip fire+aim assist in CQC even... if your good at aiming your doing 500 dmg + headshot damage... so yeah one shotting even most logi suits. And we can't really talk about Aiming being relevant in DUST at all anymore.. its kinda lol now.. and it has nothing to do with hit detection. Most players miss the diversity DUST had when everyone had individual aiming skill, strength's and weakness's... the "gun game" everyone romanticizes about from Chromosome.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 513	Posted - 2013.12.20 02:03:00 - [3] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Bethhy wrote: Proto assault suit's probably not a logi suit just sayin... Not many logi's are running 500 armor... around 400ish also just sayin... (some high 400's) One charged shot is doing 500 damage without having to aim at anything special.. just center mass which is easy to do with hip fire+aim assist in CQC even... if your good at aiming your doing 500 dmg + headshot damage... so yeah one shotting even most logi suits. And we can't really talk about Aiming being relevant in DUST at all anymore.. its kinda lol now.. and it has nothing to do with hit detection. Most players miss the diversity DUST had when everyone had individual aiming skill, strength's and weakness's... the "gun game" everyone romanticizes about from Chromosome. ''One charged shot is doing 500 damage without having to aim at anything special.'' Im sorry , im just a little amused someone who mained AR for a long time is implying the SCR is an EZ mode gun. ''just center mass which is easy to do with hip fire+aim assist in CQC even.'' CQ hipfire needs to be addressed .I've been saying it for a long time,im not arguing the SCR is way too powerful for CQ IMO. '' if your good at aiming your doing 500 dmg + headshot damage... so yeah one shotting even most logi suits.'' DEPENDS on the logi suit fitting. a 850+ EHP CAL LOGI? a 750+ GAllente logi/Assault? I havnt seen a lot of PROTO logis with less than 605 total EHP to be quite honest. If i get a Charged shot + Headshot + while being shot at + having to eye my Overheat gauge+ with a DS3 = i think i deserve the kill.AGAIN,its not even the case most of the times. LEt me tell you what Dropsuits i've seen that have 400+ ARMOR that i've seen.Suits that can easily tank a SCR. GÖª Logis ALL of them GÖª Assault : G/1 series / Gk.0 / ak.0 / (sometimes even Ck.0) GÖª All heavies: Commando and Sentinels GÖª Scouts: Gk.0 So,this is more than HALF the dropsuits available to us. ''And we can't really talk about Aiming being relevant in DUST at all anymore.. its kinda lol now.. and it has nothing to do with hit detection.'' I agree Most players miss the diversity DUST had when everyone had individual aiming skill, strength's and weakness's... the "gun game" everyone romanticizes about from Chromosome Agreed again To be honest. I do think Rifles are balanced. I've taken out SCR rifle users with EVERY other rifle, SMG's , Shotguns ,etc... Its very player dependent. Im just an Assault from suit to gun ;) never jumped on the logi bandwagon though I always end up regretting it at some point in the day of playing. my choice for gun was more pairing with a good assault friend with a ASCR in PC ;) nasty combo. 500 dmg for a charged shot and follow up shots and anything is dead, even 700-800 armor heavies before any decent defense can take place. i think its 400% shields 300% armor for a charged up shot efficiency? I'm just saying its a bit to high... My noob logi character one shot's alot of people with 400 armor and get's one shotted a lot with 486 armor lol180(something shield) and clone is still active. But I would start with getting rid of AA, Every shot landing being player skill based is a huge start to people getting over their death.Then gun balancing in general should wait until we get all the racial variants... How about a Hybrid side arm so the Gallente Assault suit's bonus actually makes sense. and so many more....