DUST Search - The AV problem

Monkey MAC wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right!

Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced!

And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud!

I dont remember doing that in 1.5

If i did invisible swarms and FG would eat me alive generally

Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage.

And now Proto AV isn't much more effective!

Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork!
Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity!


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Darius Ashran Bragian Order Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2013.12.19 19:45:00 - [1] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: First off, you realise the swarm launcher is caldari right? Its meant to be long range, about 250m would be about right! Secondly, invisibility, poor rendering may have been a crutch, for some, but when people like Takio, Spkr spend their time in pub matches litterally charging into AV fire (in the redline) when over half the team is pounding away at you with mlt swarms, forges, locus, flux, av grenades and you can't tell me its not imbalanced! And you did this in 1.5 for crying out loud! I dont remember doing that in 1.5 If i did invisible swarms and FG would eat me alive generally Of course you wouldn't remember, it 2as pub stomp like any other, you and spkr literally charged into the redline! You didn't give a flying f'ck about the AV because despite the fact well over half the team was using it, it did almost no damage. And now Proto AV isn't much more effective! Just like these Tanks, AV shouldn't be FORCED to use teamwork! Teamwork should be considerably more efficient and more likely to pull off, Teamwork should be desirable, not a necessity! Sir with due respect, this above statement is bullshit of the highest order. I have been regularly running with AV since the game was in beta . And have continued to do so again with this last patch. Is team work better and more efficient? Atm yes most defiantly. 1 proto forge / Proto swarm / 2 Proto forge or 2 Breach advanced forge. This is the current minimum I have observed to be required to effectively take out a standard quality tanks without a long drawn out strategy or chase. I have personally been running with proto and advanced forges with some advanced fluxs killing Both armor and shield militia tanks. I wont say its a cake walk at this point since the hardener change. But it is very possible to solo. And to do so consistently. A higher quality tank should not be so easily killed however. Do we need more AV utility options? Like the long pined for web grenades?( ment to slow tanks or temprorarily stall them) I think so yes. To better balance AV . And Swarms Have and can kill tanks atm. But not solo to my knowledge or at least Not easily solo. And defiantly not against standard quality tanks. The prices are almost right and while I think standard quality vehicles in general might need a slight increase The milita ones are cheap and minimal effectiveness. Does AV need work? Yes of course. Does it all need a buff? No. Av nades and swarms certainly need another pass. But forge and tanks are imo well balanced atm . If you think your proto forge should be able to solo a tank. Completely alone. You are delusional. Frankly a team that allows any player be they in a tank, proto in a lav , a DS squad, or simply on foot, to run rampant and without counter deserves to loose and loose horribly. Don't be a *****, man up and actually learn to fight rather then rage about a nerf when it is your poor tactics or lack of skill on the part of you, your squad, or your team, that is resulting in the repeated failure to win.