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Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 13:54:00 - [1] - Quote light weapon AV balanced against light vehicles (LAVs / Dropships) heavy AV balanced against HAVs? could this be the balance CCP was going for? forge guns are still great at taking out tanks the second their hardener isnt up and forces a retrat if they do have hardeners up light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships discuss
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 671	Posted - 2013.12.18 13:58:00 - [2] - Quote No
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:00:00 - [3] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: No so you work for CCP now and know what their plan was do you? balance is about tuning things to see the type of gameplay that you wanted to see, its not about tuning things to what the players think they should have. if this was CCPs balance plan then it worked and is balanced. if this wasnt CCPs balance plan then they goofed.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2218	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:03:00 - [4] - Quote Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:05:00 - [5] - Quote Atiim wrote: Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. make sure you add every other light weapon to that list, every AR, every specialist weapon, everything in the "light" weapons list :P aka nothing can kill anything but scouts and heavys can kill everything. you probably should thought that through.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2218	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:10:00 - [6] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Atiim wrote: Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. make sure you add every other light weapon to that list, every AR, every specialist weapon, everything in the "light" weapons list :P aka nothing can kill anything but scouts and heavys can kill everything. you probably should thought that through. Nope. It would mean that the only way to kill a HEAVY would be with a HEAVY weapon, which is exactly what the pilot community is pushing for now with their precious vehicles. Man, it would really suck if you didn't have a heavy on your team now wouldn't it? Also, making SLs only effective on LAVs? Good way to remove them from the game without having to actually remove the game. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:12:00 - [7] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Atiim wrote: Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. make sure you add every other light weapon to that list, every AR, every specialist weapon, everything in the "light" weapons list :P aka nothing can kill anything but scouts and heavys can kill everything. you probably should thought that through. Nope. It would mean that the only way to kill a HEAVY would be with a HEAVY weapon, which is exactly what the pilot community is pushing for now with their precious vehicles. Man, it would really suck if you didn't have a heavy on your team now wouldn't it? Also, making SLs only effective on LAVs? Good way to remove them from the game without having to actually remove the game. it would also mean the only way to kill a medium suit would be to be a heavy.... invalidating both scouts and medium suits niether now serving any purpose whatsoever....
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1976	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:13:00 - [8] - Quote Could be OP Swarms can still take out heavy vehicles tho
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2218	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:24:00 - [9] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Could be OP Swarms can still take out heavy vehicles tho You are trolling. Right? Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 966	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:25:00 - [10] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships proof of zero credibility all of those vehicles can outrun the listed weapons or in the case of the LAV a slight turn will make the swarm pathing go crazy and the majority of the missiles will crash into the ground because they go after the lower rear part of the vehicle.

Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 948	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:31:00 - [11] - Quote I could accept Swarms and other light AV being balanced such that they weren't very effective against HAVs (unless in large numbers) as long as they were very effective against light vehicles, medium vehicles, and installations. However, two other conditions need to be met. Heavy AV weapons also needs to be very effective against HAVs (when not running mods) but lighter vehicles should be fast enough and maneuverable enough such that a good pilot can avoid Heavy AV. Also, HAVs need to be less effective against infantry. For example, slower turret turn speed, lower splash radius, move slower, etc.. !
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2218	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:31:00 - [12] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: it would also mean the only way to kill a medium suit would be to be a heavy.... invalidating both scouts and medium suits niether now serving any purpose whatsoever... BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!! That is why AV of all types should be good against all types of vehicles. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:42:00 - [13] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships proof of zero credibility if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability. i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades..... get good
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:43:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: it would also mean the only way to kill a medium suit would be to be a heavy.... invalidating both scouts and medium suits niether now serving any purpose whatsoever... BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!! That is why AV of all types should be good against all types of vehicles. i think you missed the point balance isnt what YOU want, think, believe, feel intitled to. balance is about CCP creating the gameplay they want to see.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 504	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:52:00 - [15] - Quote So how do you plan to balance Heavy AV to Light Vehicles? Dropship Specialist Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Other DS: 24 Gêå1; Tanks: 13 Gêå1 12/18
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2218	Posted - 2013.12.18 14:53:00 - [16] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships proof of zero credibility if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability. i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades..... get good Really? Funny how pilots say use REs, yet there is a large beeping sound made before you run them over, leaving plenty of time for anyone to react, stop, and then turn around. Really? Because My Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades can't kill LAVs before they run me over and escape. Quit Lying to yourself. Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:02:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships proof of zero credibility if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability. i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades..... get good Really? Funny how pilots say use REs, yet there is a large beeping sound made before you run them over, leaving plenty of time for anyone to react, stop, and then turn around. Really? Because My Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades can't kill LAVs before they run me over and escape. Quit Lying to yourself. RE and proxies are two different equipment slots. my STD packed AV kills just fine. get good.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:03:00 - [18] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: So how do you plan to balance Heavy AV to Light Vehicles? I dont plan anything. read OP its a question of CCPs intent, not a balance suggestion.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2219	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:06:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Atiim wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Jack McReady wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships proof of zero credibility if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability. i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades..... get good Really? Funny how pilots say use REs, yet there is a large beeping sound made before you run them over, leaving plenty of time for anyone to react, stop, and then turn around. Really? Because My Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades can't kill LAVs before they run me over and escape. Quit Lying to yourself. RE and proxies are two different equipment slots. my STD packed AV kills just fine. get good. Man, I wish I could say the same to the scrub pilots complaining about PRO AV in the last build... Also, no RE/Peoxies both use the same slot. Try using them for once, it really helps Why must vehicle pilots try to ruin DUST 514 for everyone? Do they really want to go 60/0 that badly?
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:10:00 - [20] - Quote Atiim wrote: Man, I wish I could say the same to the scrub pilots complaining about PRO AV in the last build... Also, no RE/Peoxies both use the same slot. Try using them for once, it really helps remote explosives, manually triggered explosives that DONT BEEP proxes, automatically triggered explosives that BEEP dont comment when you dont even know what a piece of equipemnt does

Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 371	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:11:00 - [21] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: light weapon AV balanced against light vehicles (LAVs / Dropships) heavy AV balanced against HAVs? could this be the balance CCP was going for? forge guns are still great at taking out tanks the second their hardener isnt up and forces a retrat if they do have hardeners up light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships discuss Well if that was by design CCP failed horribly in communication and realisation. Current Light AV Weapons won't work against Light vehicles very well. Even militia/std LAV can take some Protoswarm punishment and they can outrun swarms, not to mention dropships are quite resistant against swarms and with the lock range nerf Dropships have an easy time to escape. So in general I don't think that was the intention....If CP do not want light AV weaponry they should be honest to enough to remove them and refund the SP. Nerfing them to the ground was not that smart...
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:14:00 - [22] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: light weapon AV balanced against light vehicles (LAVs / Dropships) heavy AV balanced against HAVs? could this be the balance CCP was going for? forge guns are still great at taking out tanks the second their hardener isnt up and forces a retrat if they do have hardeners up light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships discuss Well if that was by design CCP failed horribly in communication and realisation. Current Light AV Weapons won't work against Light vehicles very well. Even militia/std LAV can take some Protoswarm punishment and they can outrun swarms, not to mention dropships are quite resistant against swarms and with the lock range nerf Dropships have an easy time to escape. So in general I don't think that was the intention....If CP do not want light AV weaponry they should be honest to enough to remove them and refund the SP. Nerfing them to the ground was not that smart... LAVs are simple to take out with light AV, they are as easy to kill as tanks were last build, simply looka at it funny and it dies
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9099	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:15:00 - [23] - Quote I hope not because that's a terrible design philosophy, particularly when you consider that dropships are medium vehicles, not light. Anti vehicle weaponry should be effective vs vehicles, end of discussion. Vids / O7
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1830	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:16:00 - [24] - Quote Could be me, but seems like a coordinated effort between multiple swarms can take down HAVs pretty well. And a single swarm can force a HAV to retreat. So are we talking about how the FG should be the only weapon that can solo a tank? That I could get behind. So this seems ok. Just remember guys, tanks don't cap points. they can run back to the redline to avoid dying as much as they want, if all a teams manpower is invested in HAV's then their K/D doesn't matter in the slightest, they're still gonna lose. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:19:00 - [25] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Could be me, but seems like a coordinated effort between multiple swarms can take down HAVs pretty well. And a single swarm can force a HAV to retreat. So are we talking about how the FG should be the only weapon that can solo a tank? That I could get behind. So this seems ok. Just remember guys, tanks don't cap points. they can run back to the redline to avoid dying as much as they want, if all a teams manpower is invested in HAV's then their K/D doesn't matter in the slightest, they're still gonna lose. yah the second someone states they cant kill tanks with light AV i just kinda laugh a little bit.... its just not an instant IWIN button anymore and so requires some actually thought and planning into the attack, and some players just arnt capable of that aparently, especially after having so much power for the last 6 months.
Thumb Green Novashift 586	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:26:00 - [26] - Quote Just another pansy in a panzer trying to justify imbalance. There's absolutely no valid reason light AV shouldn't be affective against HAV's because the "light" just means it can be carried by light infantry. Another thing, here's the description for the swarm launcher. "A mid-range anti-material weapon, the shoulder-mounted rocket launcher provides infantry squads with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles and installation gun emplacements. With pre-launch lock-on capabilities and intelligent swarm missiles, it is a man-portable system able to deliver devastating payloads against material targets." Notice how it says "with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles" and not "with the means to effectively engage light armoured vehicles Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:27:00 - [27] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Just another pansy in a panzer trying to justify imbalance. There's absolutely no valid reason light AV shouldn't be affective against HAV's because the "light" just means it can be carried by light infantry. Another thing, here's the description for the swarm launcher. "A mid-range anti-material weapon, the shoulder-mounted rocket launcher provides infantry squads with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles and installation gun emplacements. With pre-launch lock-on capabilities and intelligent swarm missiles, it is a man-portable system able to deliver devastating payloads against material targets." Notice how it says "with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles" and not "with the means to effectively engage light armoured vehicles it was a question of CCPs intent... nothing more. i suggest you read before you rant also im a demo logi, not a tanker
Thumb Green Novashift 586	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:37:00 - [28] - Quote Lol, that wasn't a rant; if it were there would be a lot of censored words in it. Other than the first line it was a valid point that is a part of the discussion you wanted to have; don't try to shut it down by dismissing it as a rant. Never mind the president, let's overgrow the government.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 478	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:40:00 - [29] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Lol, that wasn't a rant; if it were there would be a lot of censored words in it. Other than the first line it was a valid point that is a part of the discussion you wanted to have; don't try to shut it down by dismissing it as a rant. i diddnt see anything productive or relevent in the post. it was a rant. this is a thread reguarding speculation on CCPs intent. your post was a rant about how you dislike the results of their attempt at balance rather then a post about what you think their motivations are.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1831	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:41:00 - [30] - Quote Thumb Green wrote: Just another pansy in a panzer trying to justify imbalance. There's absolutely no valid reason light AV shouldn't be affective against HAV's because the "light" just means it can be carried by light infantry. Another thing, here's the description for the swarm launcher. "A mid-range anti-material weapon, the shoulder-mounted rocket launcher provides infantry squads with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles and installation gun emplacements. With pre-launch lock-on capabilities and intelligent swarm missiles, it is a man-portable system able to deliver devastating payloads against material targets." Notice how it says "with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles" and not "with the means to effectively engage light armoured vehicles While we're picking at words I'll point out that it says armour, not shields. SL's are bound to have trouble with shield tanks. Buffing them to take on Gunnlogi's would break the Madrugar. Flux nades do work well on Gunnlogis, in case anyone was wondering. I've seen a gunn popped by two people coordinating with AV and flux nades. What we need are more AV weapons to fill whatever void there is for infantry - vehicle combat. Out of curiosity, how well does the plasma cannon work against tanks? Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.



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