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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 13:54:00 -
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light weapon AV balanced against light vehicles (LAVs / Dropships)
heavy AV balanced against HAVs?
could this be the balance CCP was going for?
forge guns are still great at taking out tanks the second their hardener isnt up and forces a retrat if they do have hardeners up
light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships
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Ghosts Chance
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:00:00 -
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so you work for CCP now and know what their plan was do you?
balance is about tuning things to see the type of gameplay that you wanted to see, its not about tuning things to what the players think they should have.
if this was CCPs balance plan then it worked and is balanced.
if this wasnt CCPs balance plan then they goofed. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:05:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. 
make sure you add every other light weapon to that list, every AR, every specialist weapon, everything in the "light" weapons list :P
aka nothing can kill anything but scouts and heavys can kill everything.
you probably should thought that through. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Atiim wrote:Well if CCP was truly going for this, then we would need to have a serious nerf to the Shotgun, as it makes no sense as to why a LIGHT weapon can take out MEDUIM or HEAVY dropsuits. make sure you add every other light weapon to that list, every AR, every specialist weapon, everything in the "light" weapons list :P aka nothing can kill anything but scouts and heavys can kill everything. you probably should thought that through. Nope. It would mean that the only way to kill a HEAVY would be with a HEAVY weapon, which is exactly what the pilot community is pushing for now with their precious vehicles. Man, it would really suck if you didn't have a heavy on your team now wouldn't it? Also, making SLs only effective on LAVs? Good way to remove them from the game without having to actually remove the game.
it would also mean the only way to kill a medium suit would be to be a heavy....
invalidating both scouts and medium suits niether now serving any purpose whatsoever....
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:42:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships
proof of zero credibility
if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability.
i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades.....
get good |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 14:43:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
it would also mean the only way to kill a medium suit would be to be a heavy....
invalidating both scouts and medium suits niether now serving any purpose whatsoever...
BINGO! WE HAVE A WINNER!! That is why AV of all types should be good against all types of vehicles.
i think you missed the point
balance isnt what YOU want, think, believe, feel intitled to.
balance is about CCP creating the gameplay they want to see. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:02:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Jack McReady wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:
light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships
proof of zero credibility if you cant kill an LAV your just bad at AV have have no credability. i take out tanks with nothing but remotes and AV nades..... get good Really? Funny how pilots say use REs, yet there is a large beeping sound made before you run them over, leaving plenty of time for anyone to react, stop, and then turn around. Really? Because My Lai Dai Packed AV Grenades can't kill LAVs before they run me over and escape. Quit Lying to yourself.
RE and proxies are two different equipment slots.
my STD packed AV kills just fine.
get good. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:03:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:So how do you plan to balance Heavy AV to Light Vehicles?
I dont plan anything.
read OP
its a question of CCPs intent, not a balance suggestion. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Man, I wish I could say the same to the scrub pilots complaining about PRO AV in the last build... Also, no RE/Peoxies both use the same slot. Try using them for once, it really helps
remote explosives, manually triggered explosives that DONT BEEP
proxes, automatically triggered explosives that BEEP
dont comment when you dont even know what a piece of equipemnt does |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:14:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:light weapon AV balanced against light vehicles (LAVs / Dropships)
heavy AV balanced against HAVs?
could this be the balance CCP was going for?
forge guns are still great at taking out tanks the second their hardener isnt up and forces a retrat if they do have hardeners up
light AV swarms/ PC granades are still very effective against LAVs and dropships
discuss Well if that was by design CCP failed horribly in communication and realisation. Current Light AV Weapons won't work against Light vehicles very well. Even militia/std LAV can take some Protoswarm punishment and they can outrun swarms, not to mention dropships are quite resistant against swarms and with the lock range nerf Dropships have an easy time to escape. So in general I don't think that was the intention....If CP do not want light AV weaponry they should be honest to enough to remove them and refund the SP. Nerfing them to the ground was not that smart...
LAVs are simple to take out with light AV, they are as easy to kill as tanks were last build, simply looka at it funny and it dies |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:19:00 -
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Talos Alomar wrote:Could be me, but seems like a coordinated effort between multiple swarms can take down HAVs pretty well. And a single swarm can force a HAV to retreat.
So are we talking about how the FG should be the only weapon that can solo a tank? That I could get behind. So this seems ok.
Just remember guys, tanks don't cap points. they can run back to the redline to avoid dying as much as they want, if all a teams manpower is invested in HAV's then their K/D doesn't matter in the slightest, they're still gonna lose.
yah the second someone states they cant kill tanks with light AV i just kinda laugh a little bit.... its just not an instant IWIN button anymore and so requires some actually thought and planning into the attack, and some players just arnt capable of that aparently, especially after having so much power for the last 6 months. |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:27:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Just another pansy in a panzer trying to justify imbalance.
There's absolutely no valid reason light AV shouldn't be affective against HAV's because the "light" just means it can be carried by light infantry. Another thing, here's the description for the swarm launcher.
"A mid-range anti-material weapon, the shoulder-mounted rocket launcher provides infantry squads with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles and installation gun emplacements. With pre-launch lock-on capabilities and intelligent swarm missiles, it is a man-portable system able to deliver devastating payloads against material targets."
Notice how it says "with the means to effectively engage armoured vehicles" and not "with the means to effectively engage light armoured vehicles
it was a question of CCPs intent...
nothing more.
i suggest you read before you rant
also im a demo logi, not a tanker |
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Posted - 2013.12.18 15:40:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:Lol, that wasn't a rant; if it were there would be a lot of censored words in it. Other than the first line it was a valid point that is a part of the discussion you wanted to have; don't try to shut it down by dismissing it as a rant.
i diddnt see anything productive or relevent in the post.
it was a rant.
this is a thread reguarding speculation on CCPs intent.
your post was a rant about how you dislike the results of their attempt at balance rather then a post about what you think their motivations are. |
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