DUST Search - why no mention of lower militia tank costs in patch 1.7 ??

Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:

Monkey MAC wrote:

Beld Errmon wrote:

They love making undocumented changes, allows them to avoid hearing us tell them its a terrible change and avoids that phrase no man ever wants to hear "I told you so"

With that said, i've got no problem with cheap militia tanks, but they imo are far to competitive with tanks ppl train into and shell out money for.

You see I beg to differ, my Sica isn't gonna fair well against a proto rail turret, even with hardner my shields last only 2 shots.
What it is, tankers said, tanks should be the best counters to tanks and they are.

But as I said this is escalation, so you call in tank, so will I, the thing is tankers don't expect this, so those who SP'd into tanks are getting roflstomped by miltia and tactics. Just like proto units who want to bunnyhop through battalions of adv, std and miltia suits, the tankers who campaigned for vehicles as they are now, only wanted THEIR vehicle to be this strong.

Agreed.

Patch 1.7 let 0 day noobs kill veterans who purchased boosters.
1.7 invalidated the grind.

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Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 993	Posted - 2013.12.18 11:49:00 - [1] - Quote re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? perhaps if there had been mention of lower militia tank costs then we may have been able to say hey! thats going to create tank spam?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 28	Posted - 2013.12.18 11:57:00 - [2] - Quote --->This<--- EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR F.T.U. IMMORTAL REGIME 939	Posted - 2013.12.18 12:36:00 - [3] - Quote they generally don't say too much about prices in patches. like when they lowered the cost of proto nova knives, you would have to use them to even know. Tell me, how exactly DOES a biscuit gain Valor?
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1148	Posted - 2013.12.18 13:01:00 - [4] - Quote They love making undocumented changes, allows them to avoid hearing us tell them its a terrible change and avoids that phrase no man ever wants to hear "I told you so" With that said, i've got no problem with cheap militia tanks, but they imo are far to competitive with tanks ppl train into and shell out money for.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 994	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:51:00 - [5] - Quote back in replication we gave CCP feedback on why free or low isk militia vehicles was what created vehicle spam. and here is CCP again ! doing the same like a dog that refuses to learn. oh well April will be here soon and then it will be time to migrate to PS4 games. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9099	Posted - 2013.12.18 15:54:00 - [6] - Quote An all militia tank should never ever cost less than 150k. That allows one tank in a match without going ISK negative, so either keep it alive or recall it if things get too ugly. You're more than welcome to call more, but it will start costing you more. Standard tanks could probably stand to see their base price go from 100k to either 250 or 300k, and that's about it as far as price is concerned. This would put a good tank at around 700-800k, which seems reasonable compared to past price points and current survivability Vids / O7
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 998	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:30:00 - [7] - Quote . Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 74	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:22:00 - [8] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? perhaps if there had been mention of lower militia tank costs then we may have been able to say hey! thats going to create tank spam?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? They also INCREASED the cost of some gear. All my fits were like 2k higher. Show me the money!
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 728	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:33:00 - [9] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: they generally don't say too much about prices in patches. like when they lowered the cost of proto nova knives, you would have to use them to even know. That means no one noticed your logic is flawed. Tanker/Assault Can I have my ADV and PRO tanks now (Honeyed Lamb enroute).
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 2623	Posted - 2013.12.25 15:39:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: An all militia tank should never ever cost less than 150k. That allows one tank in a match without going ISK negative, so either keep it alive or recall it if things get too ugly. You're more than welcome to call more, but it will start costing you more. Standard tanks could probably stand to see their base price go from 100k to either 250 or 300k, and that's about it as far as price is concerned. This would put a good tank at around 700-800k, which seems reasonable compared to past price points and current survivability I could agree with that. Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer

mr musturd 0uter.Heaven 189	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:47:00 - [11] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: they generally don't say too much about prices in patches. like when they lowered the cost of proto nova knives, you would have to use them to even know. That means no one noticed your logic is flawed. I noticed
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 9	Posted - 2013.12.25 16:55:00 - [12] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? Did the same thing when my Charge sniper started making strange new sounds, nothing is mentioned. Only after chatting on the snipers inc channel did I learn that the strange new sound is audible up to 50 M away by red berries. Again no mention of any of this in the patch notes. Oversight=negligence=laziness If these omissions are on purpose then some shady stuff is going down for sure. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1008	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:19:00 - [13] - Quote Mitch Laurence wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? Did the same thing when my Charge sniper started making strange new sounds, nothing is mentioned. Only after chatting on the snipers inc channel did I learn that the strange new sound is audible up to 50 M away by red berries. Again no mention of any of this in the patch notes. Oversight=negligence=laziness If these omissions are on purpose then some shady stuff is going down for sure. Charged sniper now really has a much louder humming sound detectable at 45 to 60m....gee that makes sniping soo much "easier" Nova knifes now cost more!! gee! thanks CCP! way to promote a niche weapon! Charged nova knife now have a louder sound signature? I am also starting to suspect that the shotguns or sniper fireing a blank every so often is not down to bad hit detection but instead a "feature" to give AR redberries a defense/counter versus shotgun or sniper users.?? Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1318	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:25:00 - [14] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? perhaps if there had been mention of lower militia tank costs then we may have been able to say hey! thats going to create tank spam?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? Because the ISK is a factor they can balance without our input. Tank balance is not, that requires theory crafting and field testing. If our crafted scenarios match both their goal and real time examples, then it was successful. Unfortunately it was not, this waves of opportunity thing doesn't work when hardeners can be cycled for an infinite wave. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1008	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:28:00 - [15] - Quote Benjamin Ciscko wrote: TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: they generally don't say too much about prices in patches. like when they lowered the cost of proto nova knives, you would have to use them to even know. That means no one noticed your logic is flawed. I noticed. OT: I also noticed that I used to have over a million in vehicle SP. Plus a month from passive SP around 800K SP ? It was supossed to be 1.8 million unallocated SP. I checked and it was 620K unallocated SP....WTF?? But did I send in a support ticket?? Hell NOO!! Why? Why bother? I see April comeing fast so by then its migration time to the PS4. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1319	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:33:00 - [16] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: They love making undocumented changes, allows them to avoid hearing us tell them its a terrible change and avoids that phrase no man ever wants to hear "I told you so" With that said, i've got no problem with cheap militia tanks, but they imo are far to competitive with tanks ppl train into and shell out money for. You see I beg to differ, my Sica isn't gonna fair well against a proto rail turret, even with hardner my shields last only 2 shots. What it is, tankers said, tanks should be the best counters to tanks and they are. But as I said this is escalation, so you call in tank, so will I, the thing is tankers don't expect this, so those who SP'd into tanks are getting roflstomped by miltia and tactics. Just like proto units who want to bunnyhop through battalions of adv, std and miltia suits, the tankers who campaigned for vehicles as they are now, only wanted THEIR vehicle to be this strong. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1008	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:34:00 - [17] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: re-re-re read patch 1.7 notes and no mention of this ?? perhaps if there had been mention of lower militia tank costs then we may have been able to say hey! thats going to create tank spam?? CCP oversight? or something else ?? Because the ISK is a factor they can balance without our input. Tank balance is not, that requires theory crafting and field testing. If our crafted scenarios match both their goal and real time examples, then it was successful. Unfortunately it was not, this waves of opportunity thing doesn't work when hardeners can be cycled for an infinite wave. I hear ya bro. I tried telling them that its best to share all changes ahead of time to help with balance but I kept being told that they "are discussing changes and they are good".........ummm nope!! sorry but no! CCP. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1008	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:36:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: They love making undocumented changes, allows them to avoid hearing us tell them its a terrible change and avoids that phrase no man ever wants to hear "I told you so" With that said, i've got no problem with cheap militia tanks, but they imo are far to competitive with tanks ppl train into and shell out money for. You see I beg to differ, my Sica isn't gonna fair well against a proto rail turret, even with hardner my shields last only 2 shots. What it is, tankers said, tanks should be the best counters to tanks and they are. But as I said this is escalation, so you call in tank, so will I, the thing is tankers don't expect this, so those who SP'd into tanks are getting roflstomped by miltia and tactics. Just like proto units who want to bunnyhop through battalions of adv, std and miltia suits, the tankers who campaigned for vehicles as they are now, only wanted THEIR vehicle to be this strong. Agreed. Patch 1.7 let 0 day noobs kill veterans who purchased boosters. 1.7 invalidated the grind. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1320	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:42:00 - [19] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: They love making undocumented changes, allows them to avoid hearing us tell them its a terrible change and avoids that phrase no man ever wants to hear "I told you so" With that said, i've got no problem with cheap militia tanks, but they imo are far to competitive with tanks ppl train into and shell out money for. You see I beg to differ, my Sica isn't gonna fair well against a proto rail turret, even with hardner my shields last only 2 shots. What it is, tankers said, tanks should be the best counters to tanks and they are. But as I said this is escalation, so you call in tank, so will I, the thing is tankers don't expect this, so those who SP'd into tanks are getting roflstomped by miltia and tactics. Just like proto units who want to bunnyhop through battalions of adv, std and miltia suits, the tankers who campaigned for vehicles as they are now, only wanted THEIR vehicle to be this strong. Agreed. Patch 1.7 let 0 day noobs kill veterans who purchased boosters. 1.7 invalidated the grind. Lets be honest the vehicle rework invalidated a lot of things, if it had been done correctly we would have seen the rise of AV commando suits, one of their best purposes. Instead we saw the rise of unconventional tactics, because conventional didn't work. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 302	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:45:00 - [20] - Quote I am guessing they wanted a bit of tank spam so they had more data to analyze for future balancing.



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