I have honor wherever I chose to go.

do you know what I love the most about this thread ...its all the mercs who are guilty of lagging maches out with equipment spam are defending themselves by pretending that they are none the wiser about the consequences of their spam .....and yes 3 or 4 uplinks spread out in tactical locations is fine but throwing down 10+ uplinks and 30+ nanno hives round an underground supply depo where no one can get close because of the lag to flux it clean IS NOT a valid tactic it is simply abusing faulty game mechanics and pretty much cheating ......possibly the folks responsible have no other way to pad their stats we should all feel sorry for them while they sit in their moms basements wondering why they never succeeded in life

first of all shut up. My **** has more sp than you. I know how to logi and its not about spamming links and rep hives. Your advice is un needed. . I didnt call anyone out publicly. Anders felt the need to show his face here. His buddy came forward and showed a little integrity. Anders could have mentioned it but chose to play victim.

starting threads is dishonorable? Greifing, explain.

I like talking to you man, your arguments are useful. I'm actually out of town doing a remodel, haven't had time to properly keep up with all the nitpicking.

The wolves can howl and growl, I'm not their mommy. They know what I expect. You will never us see abusing a broken game mechanic to win. It is not winning, would you agree?

it is an exploit currently. My corp is logi heavy. We use uplinks and hives too. No hives need to be by a supply depot. What is happening and what you are defending is a frame rate drop caused by spamming equipment. This must be the meta you all take so much pride in.

we can tell when its getting to be to much equipment on the field. At this point you can employ reppers and use up the links. Not hard, it sounds like you are one of the guys that continues to contribute to an overall broken mechanic. That's your choice, what will you do when and if they gimp your signature move? I know it won't hurt us one bit.

this is honor. If more people had some we could have a decent fight on that map. It was awesome before people brought their spam. I blame PC. Every time I merc this seems to be what battles come down to.the exception being AE. They were just tough as hell. The last few minutes dropped frames but they had already won.

yawn. Don't you have some equipment to be spamming?

Go away

No one cares.

no one cares, what you are saying. Also you don't dictate what I believe. Your goading is not going to continue this argument. Get off my balls.

find me a place where I said cheat.

abusing exploits, lag-switching, et al

looks edited. I don't even know what et al means. This is the best you can do.

I thought we were done talking.

its not hard. If only they knew how many times we let them out of the redline.

have your fun, use a towel tho. You know how mad your mom gets when your laundry is stuck together.

I don't know any of you. I am enjoying your affection though. Were still on for that fight right? Cause it kinda sounded like you challenged me, then were like "only if you pay". Sounds like its only 36 mil to to get this rollin. I have it set up. You guys are pussies.

Alright Talos, here's a stab at an actual argument for you:

Healing hives can conceivably be useful next to supply depots (although in the Research Facility I can think of better spots for them), but other hives are not that useful (yes the addition of a hive will increase the rate at which you resupply, but I believe one of the Subdreddit guys said they were using basic gear, so it wasn't really helping very much). Uplinks are of course useful, but one or two, not 10.

I think the problem is two-fold - some people spam equipment for the purpose of lagging the game out, and some do it for other reasons. On Dom, if you hold the objective, it is in your interest to lag the game because it is easier to defend the objective than take it under these conditions. This is exploitive because it is not an intended feature of the game. CCP provides tools to metagame, but using lag to your advantage is not a tool they intended to be used. I have no true proof of their intent, but it seems logical to me that they want their game to do well, and people do not continue playing games where exploits are the key to victory.

The second possibility is the "selfish/unobservant blueberry". The scenario for this would be a scout with links spawns and runs to the supply depot to drop a link. A logi does the same, but arrives after the scout. Frustrated, he drops his links anyway because he wants those points and another link can't hurt. Alternately, he doesn't see the other link on his map because he's in a rush. Maybe a third blueberry spawns and decided he wants points too, so he drops a link on top of an existing link, hoping that people will spawn on it by accident. This was a common tactic in the MCC for a while: drop a link in the MCC and hope people spawn on it instead of on the normal spawn to farm points. Anyway, the end result is the same, namely that there are many pieces of equipment in a confined area which contribute to severe lag. This isn't intended, and is therefore not exploitive.

Whatever the intent, the Wolves won't play the Research Lab until something changes (meta or otherwise). It's not because we can't win, it's not because we don't want to adapt (every update forces all of us to adapt) and it's not out of a sense of honor. It's because it's really boring to play a lagged out game. We have noticed that the lag is worse with several large PC corps in battle. This has led us to assume that it's an intended tactic. Could be wrong of course, and none of this implies Subdreddit in particular (in fact they were never on my personal list of offenders). It could very well be you guys weren't exploiting in that game, but the annoyance of the lag spikes led to the in-game mail and the forum post none-the-less.

-As to the thread-

I've always had good battles with Subdreddit, and I usually have good interactions with folks on /r/Dust514. Let's just have a battle like 138 suggested. Baal Roo, you must know we're not going to bankroll the whole battle. If we want to fight each other there must be a more equitable way to split the costs. How about this: we make two squads, 6 of yours and 6 of ours, and que-sync some pubs. Sometimes we'll be on the same team, and sometimes we'll be on opposite sides. Let's see who tops the leaderboards when we're all blue, and let's see who wins when we're red. We shouldn't be fighting like this, we all know the real enemy is Nyan San anyway