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Posted - 2013.12.16 22:47:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I occasionally killed Madrugars with my Gunnlogi in 1.6, but everyone knows that Gunnlogi's were complete **** in HAV vs HAV combat back then. A few kills doesn't a balanced game make.
Also, I notice you said he took half your shields, and you didn't say he killed you. Maybe it was because even without a hardener you can move like an LAV and still instantly recharge your shields with a booster and you just ran away out of his range? Erm, so confused about your first paragraph and the relevance it has to this post. One volley of Swarms hit me, it took half my shields. The hardener doesn't affect your speed, it affects your resistances and that's the point I was making, the issue is the speed and the fact once my hardener is down I will leave and you will be left firing at nothing.
thats the point of the gunlogi, only armor tanks need speed nerf |
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:40:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Logi Bro wrote:I occasionally killed Madrugars with my Gunnlogi in 1.6, but everyone knows that Gunnlogi's were complete **** in HAV vs HAV combat back then. A few kills doesn't a balanced game make.
Also, I notice you said he took half your shields, and you didn't say he killed you. Maybe it was because even without a hardener you can move like an LAV and still instantly recharge your shields with a booster and you just ran away out of his range? Erm, so confused about your first paragraph and the relevance it has to this post. One volley of Swarms hit me, it took half my shields. The hardener doesn't affect your speed, it affects your resistances and that's the point I was making. thats the point of the gunlogi, only armor tanks need speed nerf What did you even post m8? Like, your point didn't make sense
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armor tanks are slow and tanky, shield tanks are fast, but weaker, even more so on cooldow |
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Posted - 2013.12.16 23:51:00 -
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1 swarm shot took half my shields, if gunlogi loses speed i'll never use it again, also python's need at least double the acceleration |
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:02:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:^
1 swarm shot took half my shields, if gunlogi loses speed i'll never use it again, also python's need at least double the acceleration Yeah? A Madrugar would lose half its armor (If it didn't have its buffer) and also, Madrugars are faster than Gunnlogis.
armor does not, and shield dont tank so they dont have a constant rep rate |
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:04:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:I do agree that eventually AV will get more tools to do their job like webifiers/EMP.
But waiting for that as a balancing factor is way too long to wait. If it's going to be 6+ months the playerbase will just give up.
Short term wise I think we can slow down tanks some, look at changing recall, and look at hardeners in an effort that a tank can't nearly run perma hardeners.
Other than that I think some AV should change. I think something should hit through hardeners bypassing the resistances. Proximities would be great for this, because currently they are worthless. AV nades are another possibility, but may have to reduce their throwing range a bit.
Defensive AV should be great at creating lines tanks are deterred from crossing even with hardeners. At least they should need infantry support...you know teamwork.
swarms need a damage buff by 20 maybe, then raise base shield vehicles shields by 200, done |
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:07:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:^
1 swarm shot took half my shields, if gunlogi loses speed i'll never use it again, also python's need at least double the acceleration Yeah? A Madrugar would lose half its armor (If it didn't have its buffer) and also, Madrugars are faster than Gunnlogis. armor does not, and shield dont tano so they dont have a constant rep rate Armor does not what? lose half its armor? It does without the buffer, but is able to rep quickly, but then again the Gunnlogi can also rep just as quick.. "shield dont tank so they dont have a constant rep rate" Can you elaborate?..
since im no noob, i have 1 rep 1 hardener, i dont get half armor gone, but i lose alot, but not half, otherwise tanks would be TOO vurlnerable |
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Posted - 2013.12.17 00:12:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:^
1 swarm shot took half my shields, if gunlogi loses speed i'll never use it again, also python's need at least double the acceleration Yeah? A Madrugar would lose half its armor (If it didn't have its buffer) and also, Madrugars are faster than Gunnlogis. armor does not, and shield dont tank so they dont have a constant rep rate Armor does not what? lose half its armor? It does without the buffer, but is able to rep quickly, but then again the Gunnlogi can also rep just as quick.. "shield dont tank so they dont have a constant rep rate" Can you elaborate?.. since im no noob, i have 1 rep 1 hardener, i dont get half armor gone, but i lose alot, but not half, otherwise tanks would be TOO vurlnerable
When you have 0 shields and no hardener, how much would a proto swarm do?[/quote]
1500? idk 25% armor? i dont remember |
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